Lee Jae-myung's 'perjury teacher' was sentenced to the first trial...'War clouds' heighten in front of the court

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute, Yoon Hee-seok, senior spokesman for the People's Power

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, starting at the stroke of the hour. Today, there are two people, Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Welcome. Today's first keyword is a video. Please show us. CEO Lee Jae-myung will face his second crisis today. CEO Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher will be sentenced at 2 p.m. soon. There are quite a lot of reporters in front of the court right now, and there are rallies of supporters and rallies of opponents. So many people are expected to be crowded right now, how many lawmakers will be inside the Democratic Party? I heard about 70 people went last time.

[Applicant owner]
I think it'll be around that level. First of all, CEO Lee Jae-myung also told me not to come to the perjury teacher sentence like last time. I heard that he said that even at the highest level in private. For now, I think MPs will go. So, several lawmakers say they will move with various leaders today, but the party's atmosphere is evaluated as having dealt with it superficially after the first trial of the Public Official Election Act. I'm in a situation where my expressions and words are very precious, so I'd like to say that I'm paying attention to all the results of the trial that will come out after 2 o'clock today.

[Anchor]
Last week, didn't representative Lee Jae-myung express his gratitude and respect to the judiciary with that stance? The Democratic Party shares this stance as a whole, can we see it like this?

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. I felt that there was nothing good about criticizing the judiciary, so I think he changed his attitude toward the judiciary after the first trial of the Public Official Election Act on the 15th. Of course, that's desirable. There is no way that anyone will protest in any way in the judiciary's ruling. Aren't we acting politically on the premise that we respect judicial decisions and living in this country? In that sense, it is a welcome statement, but will Lee Jae-myung's attitude be maintained after today's first trial ruling? I think we need to watch with interest whether the Democratic Party's response can be maintained as it is now.

[Anchor]
The question is how the first trial will come out today. There are many prospects regarding the sentence of the first trial. Let's hear what's being said in the politics.

[Joo Jin-woo / Member of the People's Power (YouTube 'Joo Jin-woo's Issue Explanation') : Perjury only needs to create risks. Even if there is enough possibility to affect the trial, all of them are considered perjury and punished. He is expected to be sentenced to one year in prison. There must be some reason to take into account to give a suspended sentence. For a perjury teacher, he was persistent and used his power. Isn't there a high possibility of a one-year prison sentence without a suspension of execution? Even if there is enough possibility to affect the trial, all of them are considered perjury and punished. He is expected to be sentenced to one year in prison. ]

[Lee Kun-tae / Democratic Party of Korea (SBS Kim Tae-hyun's political show): Of course, I think I'm innocent. If not innocent, Article 4 of the Prosecutor's Office Act allows the prosecution to investigate corruption crimes and economic crimes, but since we have investigated perjury teachers beyond that, we are looking forward to an investigation and prosecution without authority, and therefore a ruling to dismiss the prosecution. ]

[Anchor]
Naturally, the Democratic Party continues to have voices of lawmakers who are pleading not guilty. Another logic is that the prosecutor is not allowed to investigate perjury teachers, but some argue that this is invalid because they investigated it.

[Applicant owner]
That's right. By revising the Prosecutor's Office Act, the prosecution was supposed to investigate only corruption and economy at the time, but CEO Han Dong-hoon said there was no problem because he revised the enforcement ordinance, and this is the judgment of the law, so the judge who was in charge of the perjury teacher trial this time was evaluated as a judge who only did the trial. So, if the legal standards are very clear and appointed to the law without political consideration, it is judged. Therefore, the prosecution investigated CEO Lee Jae-myung and prosecuted him for perjury, not corruption and economic crimes under the Prosecutor's Office Act.

In terms of whether this is the right to prosecute, the court may decide to dismiss the prosecution. Since the prosecution can rule that this is not valid, lawmaker Lee Kun-tae has worked in the prosecution for a long time and is considered to be very good at interpreting the law, so I think lawmaker Lee Kun-tae has reviewed various laws. So, first of all, apart from whether it is guilty or not guilty, it seems to point out whether the prosecution's prosecution itself was appropriate.

[Anchor]
Since there are many former legal professionals in Yeouido, there are many analyses, but since the Minister of Justice Han Dong-hoon was investigated through the enforcement decree at the time of Justice Minister Han Dong-hoon, it is not a matter of guilt or innocence, but the prosecution can be dismissed today. How do you see that?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Then, for all crimes investigated and prosecuted by the prosecution in connection with false accusations or perjury after the prosecution's reinstatement in September 22, the prosecution should be dismissed. For more than two years, the same precedents as lawmaker Lee Kun-tae's argument should be established in our judicial system. The prosecution must have investigated the false accusation or perjury teacher for two years, but you have to tell them whether there was a decision to dismiss the prosecution against all the defendants related to it. Then, it denies the effect of the enforcement ordinance that was reinstated by the inspection, but the enforcement ordinance specifically stipulates the part corresponding to the back because the law clearly stated that it was the back. The effect is seen by the judge, and this constitutes the dismissal of the prosecution.

I investigated what the prosecution could not investigate. I'm just saying that I'm going to let this go today. The fact that the Democratic Party of Korea is not talking about the nature of the perjury teacher and saying that it cannot enter the main bill because the procedure is wrong and something is wrong shows that even within the Democratic Party of Korea, the outcome of today's trial will be difficult.

[Anchor]
In the case of lawmaker Joo Jin-woo, he was a prosecutor. In the case of Representative Joo Jin-woo, he guessed the results of the first trial of Lee Jae-myung's election law like a tweezers, so he said that he expected a year without holding a bond.

[Yoon Heesuk]
From what I hear, there must be some reason to take into account the result of probation, but CEO Lee Jae-myung is already talking about impersonating KBS PD by innocence. There is a similar criminal record that received a fine of 1.5 million won, and there is no such case to be reduced in a similar sentence. So, I think negatively about whether there will be a suspended sentence when the prison sentence comes out. It's judged by this opinion.

[Anchor]
In any case, the atmosphere of the Democratic Party's rally last weekend was quite different, whether it accepted Lee Jae-myung's intention to thank and respect the judiciary. There was no representative Lee Jae-myung's speech and no blue flag. I think there were different atmospheres, but the number of people at the assembly didn't estimate this time.

[Applicant owner]
So I think I decided not to cause unnecessary misunderstanding. Until the 3rd rally, he wore a party uniform. Of course, despite the fact that it is a rally to demand the special prosecution's claim against Kim Gun-hee and the Yoon Suk Yeol government's incompetence, this part is constantly bulletproof ahead of Lee Jae-myung's trial. I think it also made me think that the part of pressuring the court may have affected the first trial election of the Public Official Election Act.

I think that's also fully reflected. Despite the fact that it was not pressure, there seems to have been a perception on various bases that the court considered it a sin of disgust and that there might have been a sentence of heavy punishment, but in fact, the parts that were free to dress up at the 4th rally do not seem to be too heterogeneous. If many people want to participate, it is as if they are wearing blue clothes with the flag of each regional committee, and the citizens passing by also see this rally is not our place to go. I think it's just a Democratic Party rally. Not even on the way. This is not my place to go. Because it can give you that sense of heterogeneity.

[Anchor]
at a rally open to everyone

[Applicant owner]
It is based on the judgment that it would be much better for the people who go to a rally where anyone can go and make the same claim, so I don't think this is linked to a certain judicial trial and suddenly ask them not to wear party clothes, but there are people who wear them and people who don't. So I think linking it to the trial is a bit of an overstatement.

[Anchor]
In the case of lawmaker Lee Kun-tae, he said that he didn't estimate it because there were too many attendees to count.

[Applicant owner]
You were talking about it politically. In fact, I don't think I need to make an estimate. This is because representative Han Dong-hoon and the people's power continue to question how many people are estimated to be, and if you start to think about it, the original meaning of the rally will fade. What if 1,000 more people come? What if 2,000 more people come?

[Anchor]
But isn't there something called the "sense of unity"? There is

[Seoyongju]
, but in the end, if the people need it among them, it's important to come. I don't think it's an appropriate tone of message for this government to listen to it without listening to a small voice.

[Anchor]
As lawmaker Lee Kun-tae claimed, it was uncountable. I don't know if this is true or not, but anyway, after the judiciary's judgment comes out again today, wouldn't it be very important to gather the assembly?

[Yoon Heesuk]
It's Saturday, which Democrats can see as the 30th. I haven't decided whether or not I'll talk about the rally in the future. In other words, it is impossible to predict what effect this rally will have. It means that it didn't have much effect, and I think it's quite excessive for Representative Lee Kun-tae to say something like Uncountable. A lot of people came. You can only say that much. It means that there was no one talking too much. Representative Lee Kun-tae should know that the people all know that.

[Applicant owner]
To give you a brief explanation, there is a clear reason why the Democratic Party of Korea does not announce this weekend's rally. It proves that this rally is not Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk bulletproof rally. After all, it's a rally to urge the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee. Therefore, what is scheduled for the 28th is a re-decision vote on the Special Prosecutor's Office Act of Kim Gun-hee. After seeing the results, we're going to see if we're going to talk about the assembly or not.

[Anchor]
You don't know if you're going to take a break this week or just do it?

[Applicant owner]
If the independent counsel's results are not in line with the public's eyes on the 28th, and the Democratic Party sees it as an emergency notice and Saturday's rally can be held, so that's not yet linked to the trial, that's right.

[Anchor]
Following the first trial of the election law, the weight of Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk will be heavy, and if he is sentenced to prison, the party will be a little confused, but Rep. Park Soo-hyun said in a media interview today, "There is no one like Lee Jae-myung." Lee Jae-myung is the only one who can be president. Do you think this atmosphere is solid in the party? How do you see it?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I don't think so. Representative Lee Jae-myung's political base seems to be solid in the Democratic Party of Korea, but in the end, I think there are many aspects that those who have the judicial risk have been forced to drag it all the way. Now, for example, we have to pay close attention to the various political changes shown in Honam, the central region of the Democratic Party. In the last by-elections alone, the results of the election in Yeonggwang and Gokseong did not come out so much in favor of the Democratic Party, and the fact that Cho Kuk-shin Party, not the Democratic Party, topped the Honam region in the proportional representation election in the last general election, and support for Lee Jae-myung, the center of the Democratic Party, is not so strong.

And it means that there is no one politically so big in the Democratic Party except for Representative Lee Jae-myung, which means that the Democratic Party is as weak as it is. Fatherland shrine? As there are no lawmakers we know except for representative Cho Kuk. To say that there is no one in the Democratic Party of Korea except for Chairman Lee Jae-myung could be interpreted as a sign of joining forces as representative Lee Jae-myung, but on the contrary, it means that it is a party that is not as healthy as it is.

[Anchor]
Spokesman Yoon Hee-seok, can you see the post personally? a good alternative

[Yoon Heesuk]
It reminds me of a few of them, but at this moment, I should be the representative of Lee Jae-myung. I think that's it for today. If today's sentencing results come out as seriously expected, I think there is a high possibility that it will be shaken a lot.

[Anchor]
Who's next after Lee Jae-myung? The various stories about the post may not mean much, but in the political world, there is no choice but to talk about this and that, so who is your real name? Is it Kim Min-seok or Jeong Cheong-rae? There are talks about this, but lawyer Seo Jung-wook said that he covered his real name and talked about Rep. Choo Mi-ae.

[Applicant owner]
So lawyer Seo Jeong-wook doesn't think it'll be easy to access his real name, right?

[Anchor]
I don't know his personal connection.

[Applicant owner]
However, as far as I know, no one in the pro-Myeong community has mentioned or thought of Post within the party. The reason is that even if representative Lee Jae-myung is now on the verge of judicial risk, those who raise their heads, whether they are real or not, are considered to have no political intentions. So the person whose name is mentioned here is not politically helpful. For example, whether Lee Jae-myung is acquitted or sentenced today, the Supreme Court has not been confirmed, but Lee Jae-myung is now out of political power.

What's good about lawmaker Kim Min-seok, lawmaker Chung Chung-rae, or lawmaker Choo Mi-ae as soon as the name is revealed that I'm going to do it now? So, the best thing about politics is to leave it as it is and naturally position yourself in a certain force that goes to that position, but wouldn't lawyer Seo Jung-wook hate them if he sees them rise to hippopotamus like now? On the contrary, I think so, but so far, representative Lee Jae-myung's leadership will not be shaken no matter how much he knocks from the outside.

[Anchor]
Solid?

[Applicant owner]
That's right. So, you may wonder why Park Soo-hyun would say that, but I think it's a rallying remark to take sides with the current leader and minimize confusion that the party will not shake.

[Anchor]
Director Seo Yong-joo also has something personally burdensome to mention the post and specific person, right?

[Applicant owner]
There may be parts that are naturally revealed, but for example, if someone artificially decides that this person will not be suitable to succeed Lee Jae-myung in the pro-Myeong community, wouldn't they become enemies in the pro-Myeong community?

[Anchor]
So Director Seo Yong-joo, it will be too much to talk about now, so spokesman Yoon Hee-seok, please tell us. In the case of former Minister Choo Mi-ae, how likely do you think it is?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Well, I don't see much of a positive view of the possibility of Senator Choo Mi-ae. He's been at the center of various controversies, and politically, he doesn't seem to reach the people that much. 3 Kim, they talk a lot about 3 guns. They talk about them within the Democratic Party, but some people are very unpopular. That's why they say it can't be like that, but I think they're in a much more advantageous position in the process of creating political leaders.

We have to look at the exclamation that stands out at this opportunity after being out of the media and everyone's attention for a while. And among them is former Prime Minister Lee Nak-yeon. Therefore, there are many people in the Democratic Party other than Chairman Lee Jae-myung. And there's no reason to look for it in a real name. I would like to emphasize once again that there are many people whose political fate will depend on how representative Lee Jae-myung meets the results judicially in the future, as the pro-life politician has no choice but to share his political fate with representative Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea is also in a restless situation, but there is another opposition leader who has faced judicial risks. Cho Kuk, the leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, is also set to be sentenced to the Supreme Court on December 12. We talked about our future plans. Let's hear about it.

[Cho Kuk / Chairman of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party (In April, YouTube's 'Kim Eo Jun's modesty is hard' News Factory'): (If he is sentenced to prison), he should go to prison. There's no way. I have to go and read books that I couldn't read because I was on trial, politics, push-ups, squats, plank, and take good care of my health. ]

[Cho Kuk / Leader of Cho Kuk Innovation Party (Yesterday, YouTube 'Cho Kuk Innovation Party') : I will do my best and plant apple trees until the last moment. The Cho Kuk Innovation Party is not a political party of the Cho Kuk individual. The Cho Kuk Innovation Party is the party of its members. Trial is trial and politics is politics. Regardless of the outcome of the trial, I will walk the political path, and regardless of the outcome of the trial, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party will walk the path it has taken so far. ]

[Anchor]
Representative Cho Kuk said this ahead of the Supreme Court's sentence on December 12. I will keep planting apple trees. I will continue my political path. What kind of plans do you think you're having specifically?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, when the Supreme Court's final ruling comes out, he has no choice but to be imprisoned. Isn't it that you won't deny it and you can't deny it? That's what representative Cho Kuk said, how can he go against the national law? So, I think I'm more worried about the existence of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party as a political party than about my political future schedule. That's why I'm going to plant an apple tree. Isn't there a famous saying?

Spinoza, I think it means that even if the earth is destroyed, I will plant an apple tree, but first of all, I think it will minimize the shaking of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. Personally, how many things would you be disturbed in your mind? So, in that regard, you will be responsible for your own work, so please take care of the afterthought in the future. So, it is interpreted as asking not to collect some support from the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, but after December 12, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party will have to be excluded from the name of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party.

[Anchor]
Are you changing your name?

[Applicant owner]
I think the representative will seriously think about whether the name of the political party that uses the name of the representative of the country who is imprisoned while he is imprisoned. I think it will be inevitable to revise the name of the party.

[Anchor]
What will happen to the Cho Kuk Innovation Party without his country? I think it's going to be a reality that we have to face in a few days, so are you going to merge with the Democratic Party? Scenarios are coming out, so how do you expect them?

[Yoon Heesuk]
In that case, there is no other way but to merge because it is a party with 12 proportional lawmakers. There is a way to move only when the party is expelled, but in reality, representative Cho Kuk drew a line on that method. I said that the new party of Cho Kuk will remain the same, but it's a pity to hear it now, Mr. Cho Kuk. There is a system in which a player who commits a referee's foul on handball is sent off for two minutes and then returned after two minutes. I think that's what you're thinking right now. A trial is a trial, and politics is politics. For what reason are you going to be tried and jailed for two years? Of course, it hasn't come to a conclusion yet.You have to think of the importance of Ma. For what reason did you receive criminal punishment? This means that the public's judgment on that is completely ignored, and after two years, he will come back to politics, and he can't go to the 27th presidential election, but he can go to the 32nd presidential election. We will see how much the people will sympathize with this and how well the apple trees will grow.

[Anchor]
Some people say this. CEO Lee Jae-myung is still uneasy because the first trial is out today and there are trials in a row. I have this imagination that the pro-Moon members of the Democratic Party of Korea and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party can join hands or even go to political reform. How do you see that part?

[Applicant owner]
It's not an unfeasible scenario. However, it is very unlikely that those who dream of becoming presidential candidates other than Chairman Lee Jae-myung within the Democratic Party will join hands with the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. Because only when you become a candidate within the party can you compete with Chairman Lee Jae-myung. Why do you not have to leave a large playground within the party and go to a narrow playground to make your name so narrow? For example, even within the party, people who can't use the playground very much can join hands with the Cho Kuk Innovation Party to pursue some political goals, but maybe only a few. Those who are less scalable in the party may be able to go to the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, but most of the rest, such as the three Kims, who have recently emerged in the media, will never join hands with the Cho Kuk Innovation Party to reform the political world. Political functional relations do not benefit at all. So I think it's hard for that expectation to become a reality.

[Anchor]
At a time when the judicial risks of Lee Jae-myung and Cho Kuk are now covering the news, conflicts continue to rise within the people's power. Please show us the next topic. Where on earth did Han Dong-hoon go? Rep. Kim Eun-hye posted this on social media. It would be nice if you could show me the graphic in what context you posted this. This is what it says. Avoiding easy confirmation of who wrote the embarrassing post by borrowing the name of the party leader and the family of the leader, he said, "The power of the ruling party, the people, has been torn for more than two weeks." So did the family write it or not? Where did CEO Han Dong-hoon, who broke everything, go? Why do you keep silent about this? I criticized him publicly.

[Yoon Heesuk]
CEO Han Dong-hoon said a lot today as well. In conclusion, there is no need to create controversy over such a problem in the party now. We just had a discussion.Ma is in a situation where we have no choice but to attack the judicial risk related to representative Lee Jae-myung, and we have to focus on it. Is this a problem or not with the contents of the bulletin board in the party? In addition, what is the authenticity of the article in the name of Han Dong-hoon or CEO Han Dong-hoon's family, and when you talk about it, this is the central story. What we are talking about is that after conducting a total survey on the bulletin board, we judged that the contents of about 12 articles were very malicious, but it has already turned out that they were all written by a third party with the same name as CEO Han Dong-hoon.

Most of the articles written by someone with the same name as the rest of the family are cited links to newspapers and editorials, and none of the articles are too much. Then, what was the problem and asked if the family did it or not? CEO Han Dong-hoon is saying that it's very frustrating. With political intentions within the party, especially those who are politically on the defensive are trying to escape their political poverty by turning arrows toward representative Han Dong-hoon. In addition, Jang Ye-chan is not a party person, but he keeps attacking the party and our party. This is also unjust. CEO Han Dong-hoon makes these remarks. From my point of view, it is very unfortunate that this continues to be said within the party, which does not help. I want to emphasize this.

[Anchor]
Rep. Kim Eun-hye also shot Han Dong-hoon on social media today, and Han Dong-hoon expressed his position on the matter this morning. What kind of context do you think it's in? Let's listen to it.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power: It is an idea that a liberal democratic party cannot do, such as to say, "Reveal who wrote it, or search for it," which is absurd in itself. And the power of our people is a party that should not treat its members so carelessly. In addition, if you look at these people who are trying to raise the issue recently, they are usually related to the list of pollack bacteria or those who appeared in Kim Dae-nam's case, and they seem to be trying to cover up their issues, and they are trying to shake up and attack the party leader in such a way as political reading, general election back, or Kim Dae-nam. ]

[Shin Ji-ho / Strategy Planning Minister for People's Power (SBS Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show): Yesterday, there were 27 people on the list called Myung Tae-kyun. Rep. Kim Eun-hye was included in the list that she asked Myung Tae-kyun to conduct a poll. Is that why Rep. Kim Eun-hye was written by Han Dong-hoon's family? I'm not asking you this, but that's why Rep. Kim Eun-hye asked Myung Tae-kyun to do a poll or not? If you did, why did you do it? ]

[Anchor]
Regarding why Rep. Kim Eun-hye suddenly came out here, and in this regard, CEO Han Dong-hoon and Vice-President Shin Ji-ho fought back again, saying, "Isn't she trying to cover it because it is related to the list of pollack bacteria?"

[Applicant owner]
So, if you look at the controversy over the People's Power Party bulletin board, it seems too clear that the pro-yoon's intention to shake up representative Han Dong-hoon. So, while playing party politics, I never thought that the controversy over the party bulletin board would be used in such a fight for vested interests within the party. It's a place where party members express their opinions and an anonymous bulletin board, but I don't know how they found out about representative Han Dong-hoon's family by revealing this, but reveal it with this? I want to add one of the messages of Rep. Kim Eun-hye. This is CEO Han Dong-hoon who is smart in everything, but why are you so silent? If I were you, I would have criticized you in front of your family and made it more satirical, but if you look at CEO Han Dong-hoon's words today, I paid attention to these two words: Myung Tae-gyun List and Kim Dae-nam. The intersection of the two words is that Kim Dae-nam and Myung Tae-kyun are also in Yongsan.

That intersection may be my personal guess, but there's another intersection over there, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. So I'd like to pay attention to where Chin-yoon leans and shakes CEO Han Dong-hoon. So when the fight in here will end is a matter of who the grasshopper will become, although the public will see it pitifully. Chin-yoon becomes a grasshopper or a close friend becomes a grasshopper. Anyway, the dried pollack makes you humiliate the fish pancake. So no matter who wins, they become grasshoppers. Therefore, whether representative Han Dong-hoon wins or pro-yoon wins so far, there is no good score for the people in the end. So the best way is to sort it out quickly, that's what I see.

[Anchor]
If it is true or not, it is a game in which someone is humiliated, but Shin Ji-ho, vice president of the organization, said, "This is the second controversy over reading and chewing, so Kim Gun-hee, the first lady text representative Han Dong-hoon, did not answer. He claims that it goes back very similar to the controversy at that time.

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. It feels like the national convention is going on. At that time, representative Han Dong-hoon did not answer the text, so the party kept using it as a subject of attack, saying that the party was in crisis, and it is the same now. The party leader has already been elected, and I told you about Lee Jae-myung when the party needs to become more united around the party leader. I think this controversy needs to end quickly and will not spread further.

[Anchor]
As expected, I don't know if this is a pro-Yoon, close conflict, but the party's internal conflict was openly expressed at the Supreme Council meeting this morning. Let's take a look at the situation. CEO Han Dong-hoon even checked the expression of smiling in vain at the end. I think we usually coordinate messages during leadership meetings, but how should we look at the context of today's remarks?

[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, it's an open meeting, not a closed meeting. In the process, former lawmaker Kim Min's remarks were so unexpected that representative Han Dong-hoon had no choice but to give an immediate answer. Representative Han Dong-hoon said that there was a factual error among the parts that former lawmaker Kim Min said. You said you saw the article. No such article has been published so far. So what former lawmaker Kim Min said was.

[Anchor]
So what did you see?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I don't know. I don't know that either, and I don't know if I'm in a situation to talk about that right now.

[Anchor]
I haven't looked it all up either, I don't know, but anyway, if you asked me that there is such an article when it's not in the article, what context should I look at it in?

[Applicant owner]
So whether you've seen articles or YouTube, there are lawmakers who usually think of YouTube as articles. Or did you see the bulletin board, didn't you? That's why the best Kim Min-jeon directly hit CEO Han Dong-hoon with a public statement like me, and he gave a face-to-face rebuke. For example, it is a completely different pattern of attack from the current party bulletin board controversy. Then, why are you silent about the articles criticizing President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee while accusing Han Dong-hoon himself of such criticism? Isn't it the southern Buddha? Don't you mean you're not qualified as a party leader? When I look at phenomena like mine, as I said earlier, no matter who wins, I can't escape being a grasshopper. After all, isn't the power of the people called fish pancakes a disgrace no matter who wins? So, I also have the responsibility of CEO Han Dong-hoon here in this regard. He should have evolved a little early, and since he neglects it like that, former lawmaker Kim Min also makes such remarks in the eyes of the whole nation with something that has not been confirmed. In this regard, I would like to point out that the people may make such a judgment as to whether representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership is faltering.

[Anchor]
In any case, lawmaker Kim Eun-hye from Yongsan and former Supreme Council member Kim Min, who is considered to be pro-Yoon-gye, seem to have collaborated, and the media sees it like this, so isn't he trying to oust Lee Joon-seok like the former chairman? There was also a view that Lee Jun-seok's fate would become. How do you see that?

[Applicant owner]
So we can't deny that scenario right now. The Kim Ok-gyun project has been circulating once before, and Chin-yoon is making such situations anyone can see. But I wonder if it will go my way. He is a representative who was supported by 63% of party members, and the current situation can be shaken by the party bulletin board? I can only describe it as really low intelligence if I had such a plan.

[Anchor]
Do you think there is a possibility that the Lee Jun-seok incident will be repeated?

[Applicant owner]
It seems that the intention can be embraced by the pro-yoon side, but it is practically impossible.

[Anchor]
In any case, it is because many people support the power of the people and the middle class saw it, and now, when the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung has emerged like this, is it time to sob like this? It is true that there are criticisms that the party's approval rating will fall further.

[Yoon Heesuk]
We take it very seriously. Under the current situation, our approval rating is still low, but it's not controversial like this. I'd like to say that it's not the time to say this about posting on an anonymous bulletin board, and isn't there a lot of things that the ruling party should be responsible for other than talking about representative Lee Jae-myung? Trump was elected and medical issues are still ongoing. In this situation, should the Supreme Council talk about this? On that point, I will take it more seriously what you point out.

[Anchor]
We talked about the power of the people, but there are criticisms that the power of the people is splitting, but if we talk about the Democratic Party for a while, in this situation where representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk continues, didn't lawmaker Choi Min-hee use some extreme expressions? He also used the expression, "If the screaming world moves, you won't stay still," but how much do you think there is a possibility that the screaming world movement will actually start in earnest?

[Applicant owner]
I think there will be some. So, in the current situation, I call it a screaming world, so if it's not my real name, I say it's screaming, but it's hard to describe it as screaming. First of all, the hip light politicians moving now won't last long. Now, it is wise to watch the serious situation with a heavy buttocks and show some aspect of supporting representative Lee Jae-myung when he is in crisis. And in the case of Representative Choi Min-hee, he also made harsh remarks for representative Lee Jae-myung, but I told you here. Rep. Choi Min-hee's remarks were not appropriate, so he should apologize. So he apologized, but if he moves like this, he'll kill him. These comments are not helpful at all. So, the judicial risk of Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party of Korea is not high right now. At times like this, people should be more cautious in their remarks and respond resolutely from the public's perspective. These behaviors that stand out in this way will never help Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the party. So even in the screaming world, I understand that there is not much movement except for some lawmakers.

[Anchor]
Finally, I'll also ask this question to spokesman Yoon Hee-seok. Although there is no visible movement yet, in the case of former lawmaker Seol Hoon, some media interviews say that it is right for representative Lee Jae-myung to decide to resign. Today's judicial risk, this is the second first trial, and should I call it a wave afterwards, how do you analyze it?

[Yoon Heesuk]
It's going to be a big wave. It's not that one came out, but two came out, and this is overlapping, so shouldn't one be acknowledged? Then the Democratic Party should think of the afterthought as a slang. Since the presidential election cannot be held by Lee Jae-myung, the time has come for Lee Jae-myung to take political responsibility, and at the same time, to make such a move, such as establishing a person who can make a claim similar to his or her will or seeking to work in solidarity with other forces. I'd like to evaluate it like that.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung is in the second crisis. The first trial will be announced at 2 p.m. soon. As soon as it comes out, we will give you a breaking news and analyze it in detail. So far, it has been two people, Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.