[News NIGHT] First Lady Kim's request for reconsideration of the independent counsel law...Lee Jae-myung's innocence in the first trial

■ Hosted by: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Eom Kyung-young, director of the Center for Spiritual Research in the Age, Park Won-seok, former lawmaker of the Justice Party

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[Anchor]
It's time for "Focus Night" to point out the news of political interest. Today, Eom Kyung-young, the head of the Institute for Spiritual Research in the Era, and Park Won-seok, a former member of the Justice Party, came How are you? President Yoon Suk Yeol has approved the government's request for reconsideration of the "Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act." Prime Minister Han Deok-soo pointed out the unconstitutionality of the independent counsel law earlier, and the opposition party strongly protested. I'll listen to it myself.

[Han Deok-soo / Prime Minister: The independent counsel bill was clearly unconstitutional, including a violation of the principle of separation of powers under the Constitution, a violation of the principle of supplementality and exceptionalism of the special prosecutor system, and concerns of damaging the foundation of the judicial system. Nevertheless, I am very sorry and sorry that the opposition party has again unilaterally dealt with the independent counsel bill, whose unconstitutionality has not been resolved at all. ]

[Park Chan-dae / Minjoo Party floor leader: It will go down in history as the worst president in history who abused his veto power on his wife's bulletproof body and thoroughly abused the power entrusted by the people for personal gain. If they vote against the re-decision of the Special Prosecutor Act, the people's power will also fall along with the regime, and representative Han Dong-hoon will have to take responsibility for the destruction of conservatives. ]

[Anchor]
As Prime Minister Han Deok-soo said, this is the third independent counsel law by Kim Gun-hee, and it can be considered that the exercise of President Yoon's right to demand reconsideration was expected, right?

[Strict Management]
That's right. It was expected to some extent. And the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act submitted by the opposition party this time has several fatal flaws, and I will tell you two or three times and move on. The first is a third-party special prosecutor, but in fact, the opposition party is supposed to appoint a special prosecutor by giving the opposition party unlimited veto power. And as Prime Minister Han Deok-soo just said, the special prosecution system is supposed to be introduced in exceptional cases and in cases where supplementary investigations are needed. However, the first trial of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's Deutsche Motors is being processed without indictment, but the Supreme Court is ruling on other accomplices. And the rest are being investigated by the prosecution, the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. In addition, Kim Gun-hee's first trial can be conducted sufficiently if the appeal system is used. That's how I see it. And lastly, the special prosecution law proposed by the opposition party is supposed to select 150 people, the longest ever and the largest number of investigators ever. In the past, there were 106 investigators during the BBK Special Prosecutor's Office for President of Lee Myung Bak. And during the Samsung slush fund special prosecution, the investigation was conducted for up to 125 days. It can be pointed out that this special prosecution law is supposed to investigate 170 days if the preparation period is included.

[Anchor]
So, the opposition party has proposed an amendment and passed it, but the opposition party can control the special prosecution, and the trial is currently underway and the investigation manpower is too much and long. I just pointed it out.

[Park Won-seok]
I think it's all a nitpicking and an excuse. In the end, we will not accept any special prosecution law related to Kim Gun-hee. I think it's that kind of criticism that came out of this idea. The president already said that at the last press conference. An independent counsel that the ruling party and the president disagree with is unconstitutional. Then, did the ruling party and the president agree to do all the special prosecutors in the past? That's not the case. However, for example, Druking's special prosecutor, Naegok-dong's private residence, and above all, Park Geun Hye's special prosecutor on state affairs, which President Yoon Suk Yeol became a star, were all recommended by the opposition party, excluding the right to recommend the ruling party. That's because, due to the nature of the special prosecutor's case, excluding the recommendation of the ruling party can guarantee a fair investigation. Therefore, it is absurd that it is unconstitutional for only the opposition party to exercise the right to recommend. In addition, isn't there a precedent for a special prosecution on the case under investigation? I have it. For example, who owns Lee Myung Bak's President Das? In the case of the case, a special investigation headquarters was formed to find no charges, but the special investigation was conducted again, but the charges were not found, and President Yoon Suk Yeol became the head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office and reinvestigated and arrested President Lee Myung Bak. In addition, there are so many precedents for special prosecutors to investigate or trial cases. Therefore, it is nonsense to say that such a thing goes against the principle of supplementality and exceptionalism, and in the end, it is nothing more than an act of using the constitutional authority of the presidential veto to protect Kim Gun-hee's bulletproof body and my family, and this is the third time that the veto has been exercised like a stamp, and the controversy will be extinguished, suspicions will be resolved, and the opposition party will not put it down. How long are you going to veto it like this? In addition, Chairman Han Dong-hoon and the ruling party cannot help but ask how long they will be swayed by bulletproof bridesmaids.

[Anchor]
I see. Anyway, the ball comes back to the National Assembly because the president vetoed it. Originally, it was expected to be re-voted for about 28 days in about two days.Ma is scheduled for the 10th of next month. It's been delayed a lot.

[Strict Management]
That's right. I can tell you that the ruling and opposition parties had a little different calculation method, but their interests were consistent. First of all, in the case of the power of the people, the conflict within the party is intensifying due to the controversy over the party's bulletin board, so we need time to reorganize the battle lines. And even if there was an acquittal of Lee Jae-myung yesterday, and this storm and it was rejected, public opinion could deteriorate due to the combination of these, I think I felt this burden. And in the case of the ruling party, the atmosphere is good right now. Therefore, we will create a favorable environment for the passage of the Special Prosecutors' Act while dragging this atmosphere for a little longer. I think this intention is hidden. And the 10th is the last day of this regular session of the National Assembly. So it's probably the deadline for the budget bill to be processed on December 2nd. According to the convention so far, it has been processed on the last day of the 9th or 11th roughly over the deadline. After processing the budget bill, the ruling party lawmakers may ease the burden, so more votes may come out. I think it has probably been delayed with this expectation.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. It seems that both the ruling and opposition parties needed time to clear up their ranks, but especially in the opposition party, it is their homework to draw the ruling party's departure vote again this time.

[Park Won-seok]
When the second independent counsel law was re-voted last time, there were four votes to leave. At that time, the ruling party criticized the contents of the bill, saying, "This is not an independent counsel law for investigation purposes, but an independent counsel law for political offensive purposes." This time, the Democratic Party of Korea proposed an amendment to narrow the scope of the investigation on two charges, including the Deutsche Motors stock manipulation case and the Myung Tae-kyun gate. It's a bill that's less burdensome for ruling party lawmakers, and as you said earlier, the division caused by the controversy over the party bulletin board within the ruling party is unusual, so I think this intention worked to buy some time as an opposition party and increase the number of votes within the ruling party. Of course, the ruling party will prepare for that. Looking at what's been said today, they are even considering how to receive ballots and not enter the voting booth so that they can be included in the register.

[Anchor]
Then what happens to that?

[Park Won-seok]
It's counted as registered. If you don't attend, you will probably not be able to pass the special prosecution law if you count on it. Not long ago, Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok met with ruling party lawmakers and did something like a vote crackdown, and it seems that various measures were discussed at the meeting. I don't know what the conclusion will be.Anyway, I don't know how the result will come out because the ruling party is also paying attention to the last four votes. However, for the Democratic Party of Korea, it seems that this judgment has worked to expand the ruling party's departure vote as much as possible.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. I think the opposition party is now seeing the possibility because the ruling party is in such a turmoil.

[Strict Management]
That's true. In my opinion, even if the controversy grows now, I don't think it will surge that much from four to eight votes. Of course, the controversy over the party's bulletin board is intensifying. In fact, one of the reasons for the intensification was the first trial of the Lee Jae-myung Election Act on November 15. At this time, the controversy over the party's bulletin board intensified due to expectations for the reflection effect of Lee Jae-myung. However, since he was unexpectedly acquitted yesterday, there is a possibility that the controversy over the bulletin board of the party members will disappear a little. In that respect, I don't think it's likely that this will lead to further departure votes. However, if the polls fall sharply this week and next week, that is, President Yoon or the people's support rate, it may give some shock. Even so, I don't think I'll go to such a situation as four votes suddenly exceed eight votes.

[Anchor]
The variable was the party's bulletin board and the approval rating. Let's talk about the party bulletin board. The controversy over the bulletin board of the People's Power Party continues today, and following yesterday's clash in public, Han's voice demanding an explanation came out today. I'll listen to it myself.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power (25th): Most of the articles claiming that they are in the name of my family are editorials in media articles, and it seems to be a political expression that goes beyond the limit and is possible. That's how I was reported. Isn't the party leader's intention to shake me up somehow? I don't intend to be dragged into such an obvious intention. Since Lee Jae-myung's sentence seems to be a little breathless, isn't it that he's going to shake the party leader and drag him out now? ]

[Yoon Sang-hyun / Member of the People's Power (MBC Radio 'Kim Jong-bae's Attention'): From the perspective of a party member, he wants to know whether the writer is a family member or not. Then, from the perspective of the party members, what's wrong with this, if it's a family, you should apologize and move on quickly. The longer it drags on, the more the division calls for impeachment. Divisions, we are very afraid that internal self-destruction will lead to a wrong political situation, not caused by the Democratic Party.]

[Anchor]
At the top of the committee yesterday, there were loud shouting among the leadership, and Han was unusually seen just a while ago, publicly rebutted and self-refused. What do you think Park is doing from the outside? It doesn't go away.

[Park Won-seok]
I know. But essentially, I think it's an example of the conflict between factions within the people's power not evolving or something like this, but the conflict is still very deep. The party bulletin board is a space based on anonymity. Of course, you sign up after you get real-name authentication and verify your identity, but you write anonymously. Due to the nature of such anonymity, several articles are posted on the bulletin board, and some criticize certain people or post such articles. But rather than finding all those things one by one and this is defamatory, it's not desirable to respond like this regardless of which party it is. Perhaps what was controversial this time was that Han Dong-hoon's family name was mobilized on the party bulletin board and posted a message criticizing the president and his wife there, raising this suspicion. CEO Han Dong-hoon is not a family member, and it can be easily ended if you check it like this, but CEO Han Dong-hoon seems to recognize that such controversy itself is trying to shake me. I had a rather sensitive reaction to him yesterday. However, why can't the people who raise the question check something simple and answer it differently from the usual CEO Han Dong-hoon? I keep raising this issue, but in the end, I am close to the pro-Yoon within the party, which has been around since the days of the emergency committee at the last convention or before. More essentially, it's a conflict between Representative Han Dong-hoon and President Yoon Suk Yeol or First Lady Kim Gun-hee. It still appears to be continuing. In a way, Han has not been able to take root properly in leadership. On the other hand, in the case of pro-Yoon-gye, the self-destruction within the ruling party is a serious situation because they are shaking the party leadership or the party leader without any alternative. But it looks like you're too free. Now, the ruling party is in a very bad situation for people's livelihood and the economy, and it is time to have such a controversy over it.

[Anchor]
You heard about lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun a little while ago, but he's a relatively light-colored lawmaker today. Representative Kim Yong-tae also asked for an explanation from representative Han, what do you think? What's the solution? Do you think it's best for Han to quickly organize his family?

[Strict Management]
Representative Han Dong-hoon has no qualms about legal and practical responsibilities. I think this is how you judge. So in the past, even if we were not legally responsible for this, we were responsible for it if the people told us to take responsibility. For example, former President Kim Dae Jung lost the presidential election and retired from politics. CEO Han Dong-hoon is also from Generation X. Born in the 70s. That's why I think it's taking a very firm position on political responsibility. In fact, the controversy over the party's bulletin board is simple. Rep. Park said he was too free right now. It's very urgent inside the conservatives right now. So let's overcome the difficult situation with President Yoon at the center, or let's go with representative Han Dong-hoon at the center. In this process, I believe that quite extreme opinions were posted on the bulletin board. However, as representative Han Dong-hoon said, it seems that the first is shaking the party leader, and the second is no problem because there is no legal and practical responsibility. It's already been 3 weeks since we've stuck to this position, right? At the same time, lawmakers in the middle area are also asking for representative Han's leadership. I need representative Han to show a little political leadership. It's nothing if I reveal it. Of course, some members of the family may have written their opinions. However, it is not a legal issue or a level that harms the unity of any party. And even if that happens, even if it's revealed, I don't think it's enough to resign from the party leader. What would happen to the conservative ruling camp if the party leader resigned now? It's bound to fall into a bigger crisis. I think it would be nice to show leadership that finishes quickly and politically.

[Anchor]
So, even if it comes out as the allegations raised by the pro-Yoon-gye, you just saw that the party leader is not supposed to resign. However, some people are saying that CEO Han Dong-hoon was like that, and he tried to shake me down, and he tried to pull me down, and that it was the so-called 3rd Kim Ok-gyun project. What do you think of this?

[Park Won-seok]
In fact, there are conservative YouTubers raising this issue and pro-yoon figures in the party who argue that if the issue is revealed, Chairman Han Dong-hoon should resign from the party leader and further retire from politics. In addition, there was an open conflict with former Supreme Council member Kim Min in the party, and if you look at the people who raised the issue, they are all pro-Yoon. That's why Han came out so sensitively yesterday, I think he finally came to the perception that the body of the controversy is the president's office. However, since it is such pro-Yoon figures as Jang Ye-chan who continue to raise the issue outside the party, he intends to shake the party leader and even drop the party leader. I think that's how I see it. As a result, the more you go defensive, the more you will raise another problem on the other tail and another problem will be raised, so I think we decided to switch to offensive and change the frame. However, apart from that, CEO Han Dong-hoon also has an image that he has accumulated. That image was a clear cover for Sibibibbi. However, there may be a public perception of why there are so many crumbs in this matter. So, at the time when the situation is over, the family controversy should be concluded, otherwise it is no different from President Yoon. In the end, I think there is a concern that they will give this perception of whether they are not talking, hiding, or in a hurry to block controversy.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. As you said now, lawmaker Kim Eun-hye also posted on social media yesterday. Why did the CEO, who is smart in everything, go where? Is that why his family wrote it or didn't write it? Since we talk quite aggressively like this, the closeness community says that we are trying to cover up the self-issues of Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Dae-nam, and that we intend to cover up. How are you reading this?

[Strict Management]
So, there is an interpretation that the representative Han Dong-hoon's remarks were aimed at Rep. Kim Eun-hye or even the presidential office in Yongsan. But I don't see it like that. Because in the case of suspicion of pollack bacteria, for example, didn't the list of pollack bacteria also appear? However, the only person who is not on this list is CEO Han Dong-hoon. So many conservative politicians inside and outside the rest of the party were involved. So, from CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, he can evaluate himself as a CEO or mercenary recruited from outside, but now conservative vested interests inside and outside the party have shaken CEO Han Dong-hoon and launched an attack, which I believe is how it is.
It's a bit of a guess to interpret that this is aimed at the presidential office in Yongsan, I think.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop talking about this issue. In the case of our CEO Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher, the first trial was acquitted yesterday, and since then, the joys and sorrows of the ruling and opposition parties have been sharply divided. The Democratic Party of Korea is truly in a party atmosphere, but there are also cautious opinions that ask for a calm response from senior members. What is the background?

[Park Won-seok]
The judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung has not been completely resolved by this, has it? Ten days ago, the election law was sentenced to prison and other cases are being tried or investigated, so there are a lot of mountains to go over. That's why let's not do it. I think this kind of prudence comes out. I think CEO Lee Jae-myung is also fully aware of that. Of course, there were many predictions that the ruling was a little dangerous even within the Democratic Party, but the Democratic Party welcomed the ruling, but the election law appeal will be made within the first quarter of next year, which could lead to a very dangerous conclusion according to the results of the first trial. Therefore, it seems that the Democratic Party cannot relax because the judicial risk of preparing for it in various ways is not over.

[Anchor]
So you can't mess with the court anymore, can you? It's not over yet. It's just the beginning of the first trial. How are you watching it?

[Strict Management]
Recently, the court seems to be the best. I think it's been confirmed this time. Inside the power of the people, there were perjury and perjury teachers, but they are innocent because they were not intentional. There seems to be this atmosphere that it is difficult to accept this ruling internally. So if you go to the second trial, it can be different, I think you're looking at it like this. Second, I think I expected Lee Jae-myung's reflection effect to last for about 2-3 months. So on the 15th, this 25th. So, I think there is such a regret that the expectation of the reflection effect disappeared in just 10 days. However, representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk has not been resolved, but has been delayed, because there are five trials and the election law that representative Park mentioned in the first half of next year, and other relatively simple cases such as corporate card issues and remittance to North Korea may be ruled again in the first half of next year.

[Anchor]
As you said now, two first trial sentences were issued, one guilty and one innocent. So, the balance of 1 win and 1 loss remains, and there are a total of 5 appeals, so three more trials are still left, so how will it affect CEO Lee's system?

[Park Won-seok]
Aside from the fact that judicial risks are not over, Lee Jae-myung's leadership is likely to become much more solid in the short term. After the election law trial on the 15th, there were predictions that this would not shake. In the meantime, Plan B and non-committal movements have been reported within the party, and since the last general election, Lee Jae-myung's leadership has already become solid and he has been acquitted in the judgment of a perjury teacher, which he was worried about, there is a possibility that his leadership will be further strengthened, and based on that, the stance of the rental struggle will be strengthened. So, I don't think Lee Jae-myung's leadership will be shaken or such a variable will occur for the time being. As you said earlier, the trial is not over.
There is a possibility that the judicial risk will reignite and leadership will falter depending on the results of the election law appeal, which has already been sentenced in the first trial, so we will have to wait and see the results of the trial for now.

[Anchor]
1, 2, 3rd trial 6-3-3 If that principle is applied, I think there are only three months left, Lee's leadership.

[Strict Management]
That's right. In March next year, so the election law should be ruled by the Supreme Court in the first half of next year. in principle But it's unclear if the Supreme Court will do that. In the short term, I don't think representative Lee Jae-myung will be shaken. However, if you look at the Democratic Party's presidential nomination decision period since the 2000s, the No. 1 poll in the middle of his term has never gone to the end and become the final presidential candidate. And in the case of the Democratic Party, a new No. 1 candidate emerged with about a year left in the presidential election. In that sense, I believe that in the case of the Democratic Party, a new game change will not occur until the end of next year or the first half of next year.

[Anchor]
I see. Not only representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk, but also because there is so much time left for the presidential election, the next presidential election. I think a number of variables will appear again. So far, I've been with Eom Kyung-young, the head of the Institute for Spiritual Research in the Era, and Park Won-seok, a former lawmaker of Thank you both.