[Politics ON] Aiming for the independent counsel's "Leave Vote"...Ruling party to seize and search in the inner circle

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim
■ Starring: Kim Jae-won, supreme council member of the People's Power, Park Soo-hyun, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's start the politics that looks at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, I will analyze with Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Park Soo-hyun, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Please come in. Hello. How was your way here? It's snowing heavily right now. How was it?

[Paphyun]
There is a lot of heavy snow and heavy snow for the first snow, so the citizens seem to be very uncomfortable and careful. In particular, it will snow more tonight, so you should pay close attention to prevent any damage.

[Anchor]
Did you have a good time on your way here?

[Kim Jaewon]
It was okay, but I'm worried about my way back.

[Anchor]
That's right. We'll deliver it as soon as the breaking news comes out. Let's look at the first keyword. Let's start the political issue. The first keyword is search and seizure. The ruling party, which is suffering from internal strife due to the controversy over the party's bulletin board, and the prosecution's search for alleged intervention in nominations. Let's hear the voice of Han Dong-hoon, the representative of the people's power.

[Anchor]
The prosecution raided the ruling party. Representative Han Dong-hoon expressed his calm position that he would receive it in accordance with the law within the scope of the warrant without harming the nature of political activities. What do you think of Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won?

[Kim Jaewon]
A search and seizure warrant has been issued by the actual court, and when the prosecution comes to execute it, it must be complied with. There are lists to be seized and searched on the search warrant, so you should cooperate with the execution of the warrant accordingly. And the contents are probably related to the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun during the 2022 by-election.

[Anchor]
The Changwon District Prosecutors' Office is investigating right now.

[Kim Jaewon]
If so, documents related to nomination are similar to those of the Democratic Party due to ordinary party practice, but our party shreds all data when the nomination is completely completed. And even replace all the computer hard disks involved. [Anchor] There is a high possibility that there is no related data.

[Kim Jaewon]
Probably not. And I don't know if poll data is the main issue. There is a very high possibility that even such data will not be left. Such a search and seizure itself is a little disgraceful for a political party. I think the fact that being involved in illegal activities and being raided on the grounds that there will be traces of it in the central party itself is ugly to the public and there are many problems in terms of party management, but there is a lot of possibility that there is not much data.

[Anchor]
In this regard, there is a story that there is a little different reaction to the intensity of the search and seizure felt by close friends and pro-Yoon-gye in the party.

[Kim Jaewon]
But is there anything else you've done other than that? If you just bring a warrant from the court and search for it, you have to cooperate with the seizure and search. If you don't cooperate, it's also illegal. For example, if you block it and resist it to the end, it can interfere with the execution of public affairs. So I don't think we can be particularly different on this point.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, when representative Han Dong-hoon was a minister, there was an investigation into the accusers regarding the alleged operation of the public opinion team. Yesterday, the police investigated the accusers of Han Dong-hoon's public opinion team, and today, the prosecution is actually searching for suspicions related to the nomination during the previous leadership, not this one.

[Kim Jaewon]
Anyway, there are many opinions internally on whether to reveal the facts through the investigation, but now representative Han Dong-hoon and working-level officials of the party are giving up and refusing devices to discover the truth through self-purification within the party, for example, through party audits and such actions, so they have no choice but to investigate by the investigative agency. The problem is that if the party conducts the investigation, the party must cooperate, but if it wants to cooperate, the party has been threatening to request an investigation for three weeks, and I think it will happen if the party backs down while cooperating with the investigation agency.

[Anchor]
Hasn't the police started an investigation into the suspicion of the party bulletin board?

[Kim Jaewon]
The investigation has begun, but it seems that the party has not yet requested an investigation, as it continues to request an investigation. So, quickly request an investigation and people outside the party file a complaint against me, why can't you file a complaint? What are you afraid of? It's a bit boring to hear things like this. I think it would be appropriate for the investigation agency to actively cooperate with the investigation and hand over everything since they said they would not process finding the truth through a party audit in the party anyway.

[Anchor]
I see. Recently, representative Han Dong-hoon and Supreme Council member Yun-gye also exchanged nerves in public. And today, the prosecution raided the party. Many analysts say that the conflict between pro-Yoon-gye and pro-Yoon-gye is intensifying in this regard. What do you think of Rep. Park Soo-hyun?

[Paphyun]
For example, even if we narrow down the issue of the party bulletin board and take an example, most of them thought that when this problem first broke, it would just pass like a happening. However, this problem has not subsided for three weeks and the issue is getting bigger. As you said, at the end of the day, it will enter the police investigation stage. In the future, it seems certain that this issue will continue to provide a sharp momentum for factional conflict, as you have just said. So I wonder if this is what the ruling party looks like. The people are suffering from the people's livelihood and economy, and I think it's a big deal that the ruling party, which needs to restore the power of state affairs and solve these problems, is showing this. Another is that the power of the people is now divided psychologically toward our Democratic Party. Or it seems like it was only yesterday that Lee Jae-myung made an intensive offensive, saying it was a unipolarization, but it's upside down right now. So the myth that goes around Yeouido is that you shouldn't think that other people's misfortune is my happiness. From the people's point of view, regardless of who is good or wrong, it is seen as a politician. So, the Democratic Party of Korea is also worried about the ruling party as it sees the power of the people, but it is also watching us now in a way that we need to reflect on this idea that we should do better now.

[Anchor]
Not long ago, the Democratic Party also had a lot of conflict between the pro-democracy and non-cultural circles. How does it compare?

[Paphyun]
So, I don't know how you'll hear this, but before entering the show, I told Kim, "Don't you envy our party? How envious would it be to see this party, which has clearly established a one-party system, fighting close to each other. I also joked that CEO Han Dong-hoon would be very jealous of CEO Lee Jae-myung. In any case, the diversity of the party is important, but as a result, it is important to establish such leadership that can be devoted in times of need for the people.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's move on to the next keyword. Please show us the next keyword. This is Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee. Like Lee Jun-seok, the story came out. Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, mentioned Lee Joon-seok's name. He compared the controversy over the People's Power Party bulletin board to the Kim Ok-kyun project and argued that difficulties would arise if it were done again in the style of driving out former representative Lee. Let's listen to it.

Former Chairman Kim Jong-in interpreted it like that. Think seriously about this situation and how it will affect the future of the people's power. That's how you look at it. Is that the situation right now?

[Kim Jaewon]
I don't know why Chairman Kim Jong-in is saying that, but he doesn't know the atmosphere of the party or the internal situation of the party.

[Anchor]
It's different from Lee Junseok's.

[Kim Jaewon]
This is because the problem with the party bulletin board is that there was a problem with the posts that encouraged the division of the party and hindered the unity of the party on the party bulletin board at first, and it came out in the process. But in the beginning, think of it as a little bit like a doodle in the bathroom, approach this problem, just apologize, and move on. Or, it was to explain and move on, but in recent days, it has led to stories such as "This is taking down the CEO," "Killing Han Dong-hoon," and "This is the Kim Ok-gyun project," but the Kim Ok-gyun project has been prosecuted for talking about things that did not exist, and now those who have finally moved the claim are being punished. However, if this problem was so simple, I would have revealed who actually wrote the comments, explained the problem clearly, and ended, all the problems would have been solved within about two hours, but now I insist on taking down the representative and claiming that it is a Kim Ok-kyun project, so suspicions about who wrote this continue to progress. For example, if the 1,000 articles in question are not related to CEO Han Dong-hoon or his family, then it has nothing to do with the representative's progress and retreat no matter what form it takes. However, it makes me wonder if it's about bringing down the representative, trying to damage the representative's leadership, or if it's right to use it and talk about it. But I think this problem continues to grow as representative Han Dong-hoon's aides talk about it.

[Anchor]
Why does Han Dong-hoon refrain from directly commenting on this issue when he says, as Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won continues to insist, saying frankly who wrote it and apologizing is a matter that will end within two hours if he apologizes?

[Kim Jaewon]
Once again, I think this problem has been sufficiently solved in the early stages. But isn't it controversial that he dragged it like this and now he's even filed a complaint with the police? In this way, if this problem is just sorted out, it's okay, but if it's not sorted out and the investigation is slow, this becomes an unsolvable problem, and then there's room for controversy within the party. So, as a result, for example, if it is clearly explained by what you said, it will be over in two minutes, not two hours. However, if you continue like this without explanation, there is a possibility that this will only gradually increase the conflict.

[Anchor]
I see. I'll ask Rep. Park Soo-hyun. Rep. Kang Myung-koo said today, "It's a question of whether CEO Han Dong-hoon wrote it or not, or whether his family wrote it or not," and said, "It's a question to just end." Will it really be a question to end it?

[Paphyun]
That's not true. Why can't CEO Han Dong-hoon reveal this? As soon as the family admits that they have done something really inappropriate, they will demand that the CEO resign.

[Kim Jaewon]
The atmosphere in our party is not that bad right now.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. Anyway, I think it's a normal step, but I think you're probably concerned about it. This discussion began because Kim Jong-in said, "Like when Lee Jun-seok was in office," and I think the two cases of Lee Jun-seok and Han Dong-hoon have similarities and differences. As a result, Yongsan, the president's grip wants to take control of the party, but it is not allowed around Lee, and it is not because of the representative, but because the president's approval rating is so low that it cannot be controlled. In this respect, they have something in common, trying to kick out the uncomfortable leader of the party. However, in the name of the tool, former CEO Lee Joon-seok had his own problems. I used it to refer to the ethics committee, but now CEO Han Dong-hoon has a problem with posting some inappropriate articles on the party bulletin board, and the problem is getting bigger and bigger by not easily expressing his position as CEO Han Dong-hoon said now. So on this issue, CEO Han Dong-hoon could have argued that Lee Joon-seok was unfair in a way, but there seems to be a considerable part of the fact that the party leader is causing damage to the party as a result. So even if you keep putting pressure on CEO Han Dong-hoon and shake it like this, you have nothing to say.

[Anchor]
Some close-knit lawmakers on the representative side of Han Dong-hoon are also close-knit members. It is to bring down Han Dong-hoon. Some say that the hegemony fight has begun.

[Paphyun]
There's a side that looks like that. So this problem was scheduled anyway. Before that, when I said Yoon Han's so-called first conflict, I went to the fire site in Seocheon, Chungcheongnam-do, and said hello to the folder 90 degrees, and it was resolved, but that's what I said at the time. That is a temporary suture, not a solution. Because for example, I put a nail in my head to express that. Then even if you take out the nail, the nail mark remains. I'm really sorry that it's a shape that's completely structured as a factional conflict in the midst of such a series of repetitions, but if I give it back, the people's power will soon enter a psychological division, I think so.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's continue with the related issues. I'm going to show it to you through a video. The Democratic Party originally planned to raise the resolution of the Kim Special Prosecutor Act at tomorrow's plenary session, but in a way, the ruling and opposition parties agreed. Some say that they have decided to postpone it until next month to attract leave votes. Within the ruling party, there are also measures such as collective abstention. In front of the re-vote, let's meet the video of a fierce hand fight between the ruling and opposition parties. Mrs. Kim was supposed to vote again on the 10th of next month. It was supposed to be on the 28th, but it was postponed.

[Kim Jaewon]
Rep. Park Soo-hyun just said that our party is in a state of psychological division, and that if there is a slight crack, he is trying to open a gap and fanning the fire. The Democratic Party's thoughts will crack more over time like this. So, I think there will probably be an insurrection vote, so I think I delayed it by two more weeks from the original 28th and set the re-voting time for December 10th. Even so, there is a strong consensus within the party that the independent counsel law related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee should not be passed, and Chairman Han Dong-hoon also said, "Do you have the same close and close voices regarding [anchor]?"

[Kim Jaewon]
That's right. In particular, representative Han Dong-hoon is making such a claim, so I believe that so-called close lawmakers will vote on this point in the same position. To add to that, it was criticized as an open vote earlier, but by not announcing it like this, I received the ballot right away and put it in the ballot box right away.

[Anchor]
Collective voting rights.

[Kim Jaewon]
In addition to collective voting rights, if you go into the voting booth, can you be misunderstood that you are trying to take a picture of the other side? to receive and put it in immediately...

[Anchor]
That's never happened before, right?

[Kim Jaewon]
I've never seen such a case. And there was nothing so important that I had to do that while serving three terms as a lawmaker. So I don't think that's actually going to happen this time.

[Anchor]
How do you see it? It seems that the Democratic Party of Korea is seeing the conflict between pro-Yoon and pro-Yoon is intensifying, so they don't know what will happen in 10 days.

[Paphyun]
That's what I'm saying. Would the Democratic Party have done that to buy time for some split? It's a plenary session date set by the ruling and opposition parties' agreement, but it's a contradictory story that denies itself to analyze it from the people's power. There was an agreement because there was something going on, but in the meantime, the Democratic Party of Korea, I don't think it's eight votes. I think it's four votes. In the 2nd re-vote last time, 4 votes were cast even though it was a special prosecutor's proposal with a much stronger toxin clause than now, as claimed.

[Anchor]
Out of 108 votes, 104 were against.

[Paphyun]
That's right. So those four people who voted against it at the time will definitely vote again this time, so that's a constant and the other four are variables, and I'm very interested in how the variables of the internal conflict will affect over the next 10 days.

[Anchor]
Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said, "We have the same thoughts as Han Dae-oh, Chin Yoon-gye, and Chin-gye." Do you think so?

[Paphyun]
We've already got a four-vote insurrection vote, what kind of unification is that?

[Kim Jaewon]
At that time, about two votes were actually invalid. So, in the process of opposition, an invalid vote came out, and it should be considered the opposite. But actually, there were four votes of rebellion before that anyway. So I think about four votes is an insurrection vote, but I don't think that's going to have a significant impact because there's another solid 104 votes.

[Paphyun]
It's been a long time since the best Kim Jae-won spoke with such an insecure look.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. Let's move on to the last question. The Democratic Party is literally going on a general offensive as it pushes ahead with the independent counsel, impeachment, and parliamentary investigations in all directions. Today, the Judiciary Committee decided to hold an impeachment hearing next month between Kang Vaccine, deputy prosecutor of Suwon District Prosecutors' Office, and Um Hee-joon, deputy head of Incheon District Prosecutors' Office, who investigated the Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong cases of representative Lee Jae-myung. Let's listen to the voices of the ruling and opposition parties from the Judiciary Committee today. [Anchor] Kang Vaccine, Um Heejun test. I guess the impeachment motion has also been introduced.

[Kim Jaewon]
Those are the prosecutors who were in charge of the investigation into Lee Jae-myung's Daejang-dong case and Baekhyun-dong case. If they are impeached, I think there is a 120% chance that the impeachment will be dismissed. However, these prosecutors cannot work because their duties are suspended during the period of hearing at the Constitutional Court. Representative Lee Jae-myung is currently in the first trial, but if investigative prosecutors do not support the trial, the trial will be disrupted. Therefore, it is an abuse of legislative power and is active in the National Assembly, which includes all these things, from the purpose of undermining the prosecutors' ability to conduct trials, to the disgrace of investigating representative Lee Jae-myung, and the threat to other prosecutors who will not leave him alone if such an investigation is conducted again. I think the Democratic Party of Korea has lost its reason collectively to do this.

[Anchor]
What about Rep. Park Soo-hyun?

[Paphyun]
Isn't the Democratic Party defining this Yoon Suk Yeol regime as a prosecution dictatorship? In fact, from the public's point of view, the public is angry to see Kim Gun-hee's indictment of the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case and the subsequent acquittal of the luxury bag case. So at least in this day and age, the Democratic Party has no other way to deal with the sheer violence of this prosecutor administrator who says prosecutorial power is becoming so abused and unilaterally selective, right? The president continues to veto. Therefore, through these things, there is a possibility that the impeachment will be dismissed because it is not completely illegal, as Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said. However, I think that the prosecution has no choice, or the opposition party has no choice but to choose, to report the problems to the public and inform them that the people will judge them.

[Anchor]
I see. That's all for today's politics. So far, Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Park Soo-hyun, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you for your words today. Thank you.