Jang Kyung-tae, "尹, I think you only need to catch two constitutional judges."

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□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: December 12, 2024 (Thursday)
□ Host: Attorney Bae Seung-hee
□ Cast member: Jang Kyung-tae, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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◆ Lawyer Bae Seung-hee (hereinafter referred to as Bae Seung-hee): News fighting Thursday will continue with the third part, <Youth Regret>. You're the chairman of the Seoul Metropolitan Party of the Democratic Party, right? Let's take a look at the pending political issues with Representative Jang Kyung-tae. Hello,

◇ Rep. Jang Kyung-tae of the Democratic Party of Korea (hereinafter referred to as Jang Kyung-tae): Yes, hello. I'm Jang Kyung-tae.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: How are you these days?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: No. I can't say hello, but I'm still trying my best to say hello.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Did you hurt your finger? Yes, why did you get hurt?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: It hurt a little bit, but I was climbing over the fence.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: The fence.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: While using a dragon.

◆ Are you talking about this martial law?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Yes.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Regarding this martial law situation, President Yoon is now. It is reported that legal action is being prepared in preparation for the investigation and impeachment. How do you see the aftermath from the declaration of the emergency martial law?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: First of all, I can't forget the night of December 3rd. So, if you play various roles of conviction as a politician or experience unfair things, you may ask the police or prosecution to summon you. I've lived with this determination, but I never thought I'd be dragged by a soldier. But soldiers entered the National Assembly by helicopter, and martial law after 45 years. In fact, it was forgotten to the extent that I didn't even look for martial law.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You weren't even born. 45 years ago.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: That's right. If an emergency martial law is declared in another country, it will only be declared in underdeveloped countries, did it really happen in South Korea in 2024? At first, when the aide called, he said, "Hey, check it again rather than come. ”

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Were you home?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: No. I was eating and drinking tea outside, but I also drove back to the National Assembly in a hurry. But I was surprised. So I didn't believe it at first. No way. I didn't think so. But I came in a hurry because it was confirmed. I think the second martial law was also considered in this probationary process. Even if you look at the reports and the declaration of conscience from various commanders, it is really terrible to think that if there had been an order to pay horror bullets or fire, the National Assembly would have been dissolved, and perhaps martial law would not have been maintained.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Anyway, martial law has been lifted. The ruling party has drafted an early presidential election plan early next year, calling it a roadmap to deal with the political situation. How did you see this idea of early resignation?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: But I don't understand it a little bit like 'orderly resignation', but that order is not something that anyone can argue or make. It has to be done in accordance with the constitutional procedure. Impeachment is the only window for the president to step down in an orderly manner. Of course, it would be best if he resigned, but he doesn't seem to have any intention of doing so, and if that's the case, he should resign in an orderly manner according to the constitutional procedure, what should I say? They make such claims as "We will create a Korea-Korea system" that has no legal basis, but isn't the operation of state affairs ultimately done by public officials? In addition, it should be done according to the procedures followed by the Constitution and laws, but it is a bit of a problem to make a "pseudo-procedure" like this. Rather, I think it's a separate civil war.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: To CEO Han Dong-hoon.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I'm not going to specify it, but I don't want you to create a pseudo-procedure that's not set by other constitutions and laws.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I hope you don't make a pseudo-procedure. I think that's why President Yoon Suk Yeol is preparing for impeachment.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Maybe I'm sorry about this, but if you step down, the president's courtesy is maintained for the president who has finished his or her term, but if you are impeached, you will be deprived of everything. So, how can you make a political decision for the people even at the last minute? The back of a person who knows when to leave is beautiful, but if you hold out even though it's time to leave, you'll have no choice but to go according to the procedure set by the Constitution.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So when the impeachment bill was voted on and the impeachment motion was voted on and you went to the Constitutional Court, when do you expect the citation? I think it's going to be a quote.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I think it's a little different from the case of President Park Geun Hye. President Park Geun Hye's case took about three months because various suspicions were merged and the hearing was interpreted, but I think there are many suspicions now, including Lee Chae-yang Myeong-ju. It would be great to reveal the external pressure of the Coporal Chae, starting with the Yangpyeong Expressway, but in my view, at least the part where the State Council's speech was secured during this emergency situation. I also need to check whether the Prime Minister has written a letter, and anyway, in my opinion, the Minister of Justice said he didn't sign it. That's why I've confirmed it for sure, so given all these illegal procedures and processes, I don't think the hearing will be long. I think a month to a month and a half is enough.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So what's the biggest difference between the last impeachment motion and this one?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: You can think of it as almost similar.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Then there are a lot of reasons in the prosecution. I don't think it'll take a short time for the hearing.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: First of all, wasn't the president's lack of will to protect the constitutional order the most decisive and biggest reason for the president of Park Geun Hye? In view of that, many illegal and unconstitutional issues have been identified during the president's declaration of emergency martial law and in the process of probation. For example, the National Assembly is the only constitutional institution that can lift emergency martial law, but it is enough for me to be impeached because it has been revealed that it interferes with the decision-making of normal constitutional institutions by letting soldiers of the National Assembly enter, trying to drag lawmakers out, and plotting the purpose of obstruction. And since President Yoon Suk Yeol is also a lawyer, he seems to be plotting in advance that he can come back splendidly if the Constitutional Court only has about two constitutional judges. You may dream of a spectacular return, but I would like to warn you that there is only a disastrous exit in my view.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: First of all, in order for the impeachment motion to be passed, a vote in favor of the people's power must come out. How much do you expect from the power of the people?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Predictions are not important right now. I think desperation is more important. In fact, many members of the People's Power are also in considerable internal conflict. So, I think the various lawmakers are having a lot of internal conflicts, and this situation is inevitable this Saturday.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Then this week, let's go to the polling place. by entering the plenary hall

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I think it's really almost impossible to boycott the impeachment vote. It's a matter of attending but voting or voting down, and everyone knows that if it is rejected, the aftermath will be enormous, and the greater the uncertainty in the current stock market, foreign trade, and various economic and diplomatic situations, the more disastrous it will be for Korea. So I won't make any predictions about that. But I think the possibility of being approved is increasing. The members of the People's Power are also in internal conflict, and there are recommendations from various families, aren't there? Many media outlets are reporting earnest appeals that they hope you don't make a bad choice this time. So anyway, I'm likely to be approved, but I won't specify it as a few votes.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. However, the Democratic Party is also considering impeaching Prime Minister Han Deok-soo. Former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum said, "It's a little too much," and "We need to adjust the level." ’ That's what I pointed out. How did you see it?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: As Prime Minister Han Deok-soo said in the urgent question yesterday, one of the requirements for declaring an emergency martial law must go through a hearing at the Cabinet meeting. The Prime Minister is supposed to give a letter. Then, at least four key members of the State Council - the Minister of Economy and Finance, the Minister of Public Administration and Security, the Minister of National Defense, and the Minister of Justice - are required to receive signatures. If the Prime Minister failed to stop him to the end, I think he should have expressed his intention to resign at least by expressing his intention to resign or even making an excuse that he failed to keep the constitutional order even on the morning of the 4th after the martial law was lifted. Nevertheless, I think you should take legal and political responsibility because you couldn't take even the least conscientious measures in a year. He won't avoid it either, but I think I'm an accomplice in the civil war. At least if you didn't speak out against the Prime Minister at the Cabinet meeting, isn't there an implicit consent? Those who give tacit consent are, of course, accomplices in the civil war. That's why I think it's hard to maintain that position. Anyway, let me tell you that the Democratic Party is taking a constitutional response accordingly because the president is currently creating the most excessive situation.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Representative Yoon Sang-hyun said, "Declaration of martial law is a highly political act, an act of governance." How would you criticize it?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I really doubted my ears when I heard that, and a lot of constitutional scholars and lawyers were probably surprised. Am I from the Fifth Republic? Maybe because he was the son-in-law of the 5th Republic. It is only possible in the Constitution of the 5th Republic to simulate discussions on the declaration of emergency martial law by the President and dissolution of the National Assembly. Such constitutional discussions in the 6th Republic after 1987 are real. Wouldn't they not say that if they heard the introduction to the constitution? That's not a possible discussion. No, the Supreme Court's precedent has already stated that it should be very limited to declare a state of emergency or state of emergency of the president. It cannot be denied that it is a clear act of rebellion to at least plot the dissolution of the National Assembly in the process. This National Assembly legislature cannot be restricted in any form. But it's clearly stated in the decree that it's an act of governance? This is ridiculous. And now even the person who wrote Pogoryeong No. 1 has not been able to find it. The deputy defense minister didn't even know. The head of the Defense Ministry's military prosecutor's office did not know. Even the martial law commander did not write it himself. So who the hell wrote this decree? So, before claiming the act of governance, I would like you to find the person who wrote the act of governance first.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. But I think it's a personal attack to even make lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's ex-wife.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: No, I have no choice but to criticize it like that because you insisted on the idea of the Fifth Republic. So I'd like to tell you that you've earned it.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I think that was too much of an expression, but I see. Lee Jae-myung's alleged violation of the Public Official Election Act is also likely to be finalized by the Supreme Court within the first half of next year. If the presidential election is held in May, wouldn't the possibility of representative Lee Jae-myung running also increase?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: No, of course everyone has the right to run. I don't think there is a need to talk about the basic rights and rights of the people in connection with the crime of rebellion. I don't think it's necessary and I think it doesn't make sense. So it's a typical water ride in a situation where some lawmakers of the people's power are so angry, but they have to take political responsibility now. to divert people's attention But now the people will not be misled by such shallow numbers. First of all, I think the priority should be to announce whether he will participate in the vote on the impeachment motion of the Yoon Suk Yeol.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You said shallow numbers. Joo Jin-woo, a member of the People's Power Party, said, "Lee Jae-myung's Public Official Election Act has been filed for appeal, but he has not appointed a lawyer for nearly a month since the first trial was sentenced." ” He's pointing it out again.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Representative Joo Jin-woo was the legal secretary of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime. In addition, there are many suspicions in the process of external pressure on the investigation of the Marine Corps, and now President Yoon Suk Yeol can only be heard saying something for BTS. So, at least in an objective position, if former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min talks, you will be trusted in a certain way, but lawmaker Joo Jin-woo should defend himself well. You have various suspicions while serving as a legal secretary, but I think you should appoint a lawyer first, not to say anything else.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. Some say whether the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol's president comes first or the conclusion of Lee Jae-myung's trial comes first.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: So representative Lee Jae-myung's trial is the role of the judiciary. Then, this is not what the political circles of the discussion of the legislative administration should say. We hope that the judiciary will conduct a proper trial through proper hearing according to due process. It's a situation we have to discuss now.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Shouldn't CEO Lee Jae-myung also attend the trial?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Let's attend the trial. Since that's the procedure of the judiciary, we don't have the authority to do it quickly or not. And even though the members of the People's Power left the Judiciary Committee and took issue, we passed the judge's testimony anyway. We are generously providing support to the various judiciary. That's why there's no need for any other debate, and now whether or not to attend the presidential impeachment motion at the plenary session scheduled for this Saturday at 5 p.m. Also, it is a matter of utmost concern whether it will be passed or not, so I hope you solve it first.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. Representative Han Dong-hoon said, "The ruling party members should attend the vote." How do you see it?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I also want to say to CEO Han Dong-hoon that I would like you to do it last Saturday, but this Saturday is your last chance. So what's the point of being the second in the Yoon Suk Yeol regime now? a dying regime Rather than becoming the second in the soon-to-be-ending regime, he can become the first in conservative supporters. In order to become a leader who can give new hope to conservative supporters, you have to create a new vision, some new models, and new orders yourself. What's the point of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime's parasitic power? I think it's the last chance. If you had followed your decision to be on the side of the people on Saturday last week, I think you would have been in the spotlight, but I'm sorry you missed that opportunity. I think it's the last chance. If we miss this opportunity, it is very likely that even conservative supporters will withdraw their expectations and support for Han Dong-hoon.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Even if the impeachment bill is passed, shouldn't Han Dong-hoon's leadership system step down?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: I think that's a little different. This is because the Han Dong-hoon leadership system is now suspicious of pollack bacteria. There was no involvement in the process of declaring emergency martial law. On the contrary, there are suspicions that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is involved, such as trying to delay the National Assembly vote, or if he asked the National Assembly speaker for a delay of 30 minutes to delay the National Assembly vote at the instruction of President Yoon Suk Yeol before delaying it, right? If you did, I hope you don't. If you did, there is a suspicion that you sympathized with the civil war. I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon has any suspicions about moving around in the civil war. Rather, he was now the subject of arrest, and he was also sheltering in the plenary hall. If Han Dong-hoon was in the office of the People's Power Party, he would have been arrested.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. It's going to be maintained. A special police investigation team has launched a raid on the presidential office. I was blocked by the security service, so it was canceled. What do you think?

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: The prosecution is a special version. The police is the national script. I got a search warrant from the police, got a court warrant, and went to the presidential office to realize the warrant, but wasn't the presidential security office blocked? We will ask for punishment for blocking legitimate law enforcement later, including the security service staff. Anyway, the police, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the prosecution decided to set up a joint copy. I really look forward to a more speedy investigation than in the future. The prosecution has no right to investigate the crime of rebellion. Therefore, I would like to send a strong warning message that if the prosecution continues to appear in the form of a voluntary appearance at 1:30 a.m. to protect the suspect, it will eventually end up being only a sympathizer or helper of civil war. As soon as possible, the prosecution should reject or reject the police's various warrant requests, or look at the contents of these warrants and not be suspected of having an intimate relationship with the suspect. That's why I hope we can quickly get out of the current situation without investigation rights.

◆ Bae Seung-Hee: Last but not least. Lee Yang-soo, chairman of the TF Committee for Stabilizing the People's Power, claimed that if representative Lee Jae-myung declares that he will not run for the presidential election, impeachment or resignation may take place immediately.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: That's why lawmakers of the People's Power keep thinking about tricks. Have the people ever called for Lee Jae-myung not to run? You're asking me to impeach the president. However, only a few members of the People's Power Congress participate in the vote to lift martial law. No, a member of the National Assembly is supposed to come to the National Assembly and protect the people when declaring an emergency, but is it supposed to leave us? You should be ashamed of yourself. So, first of all, I hope that Representative Lee Yang-soo will not do such parliamentary activities, but I think the minimum measure for the people is to declare that they will participate in the impeachment motion first. First of all, I hope that the National Assembly members will first think about the plan for their activities in case of emergency and emergency situations.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Today was the last interview between Representative Jang Kyung-tae and me. Thank you so much for always responding well to interviews. Thank you for coming out today as well. That's all for the young man's regret. So far, I've been with Jang Kyung-tae of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you.

◇ Jang Kyung-tae: Thank you.