Kim Byung-joo said, "Isn't Kim Eo-jun 'Han Dong-hoon Assassination Team' a ghost story?Checking".

<Kim Byung-joo, supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea>
- martial law declaration written, not Kim Yong-hyun.Roh Sang-won, etc., will be a non-starter.
- Four people at a 'hamburger restaurant' meeting, two-week operation preparation situation.Suspicion of plans to 'justify martial law' other than securing the NEC's server
- Delivery of 170 intelligence agencies for North Korean people's clothing three weeks before the emergency martial law.Why? Pursuing
- Martial Law Forces are said to have been embarrassed by citizens and YouTube broadcasts that flocked past 11 p.m.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: December 18, 2024 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Cho Hae-jin, former lawmaker of the People's Power, Kim Byung-joo, supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.
◆ Lee Ik-seon: It's time for Jungkook's friends. We have Kim Byung-joo, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea, and Cho Hae-jin, a member of the National Power Party. Welcome.

■ Kim Byung-joo, □ Cho Hae-jin: Hello.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Yes, let's focus on breaking news. It was revealed that former intelligence commander Roh Sang-won met with intelligence agents, including the current intelligence commander, on the 1st, two days before the martial law, and ordered various instructions, including securing a server for the Central Election Commission, at a fast food restaurant in Ansan, but lawmaker Kim raised the issue for the first time, right?

■ Kim Byung-joo: Yes, I already filed a complaint with the National Defense Commission last time, and I heard about the meeting on December 1st and revealed it through the media yesterday morning. That's why I'm a retired general. I was the intelligence commander and Mun Sang-ho was the current commander and there's the core of the 2 colonel. On December 1st, two days before the emergency martial law, the four met at Lotteria near Evergreen Water Station for lunch and had some kind of plotting while eating hamburgers, but the preserver of Roh Sang-won seems to have some martial law, so be prepared. If martial law takes place, a central election commission server must be secured. I think it gave me this task of finding it about fraudulent elections. So in fact, the intelligence agency is a very secret unit. To be honest, I don't know the intelligence agency well because I became a four-star in the military. Kim Yong-hyun is also an infantry operation, so he doesn't know the intelligence officer well because he did field operations, so whether it's a 12.12 coup or 5.16 coup, the intelligence officer can't intervene. Secret, there are secret operations against North Korea.
But this time, there are situations in which a former reserve intelligence commander named Roh Sang-won was close to Kim Yong-hyun and acted as a bridge to form such a private organization and use it as a key unit of this emergency martial law.

◇ Choi Soo-young: But Senator Cho, no, but if you're a former commander, you're a civilian. But of course, I'm a junior general and a commander as a civilian.I think a lot of people are actually surprised at how that's possible. How could a civilian have spoken to active members like this two days before martial law?

□ Cho Hae-jin: This is a problem that has been pointed out about our military for a long time. The fact that this construction cannot be distinguished is that when you are active, military organizations are stricter in command and command compared to other organizations, so the command and command system is much stricter than other organizations. That's inevitable because of the physiology of the organization, but it's only when you're in the military, and when you come out, you have to go back to your original position. It's been said that the representative thing is that it continues after that. For example, former general generals in the military, such as Sungwoo Association, treat current junior generals and tell them what to do, and it's been pointed out a lot while watching this culture. Of course, there can be events that cannot be distinguished between private and vacant seats, but there are also public events. In the case of information security personnel, as our lawmaker said, this secret is a unit that conducts secret operations, so it is almost under the jurisdiction of intelligence and doctors. That's why it's more sticky. So, if you look at it, former commander Roh Sang-won calls his junior and incumbent generals and colonel and orders them to give martial law-related orders. December 12, May 18, and May 17 were already carried out through such a private organization called the one-time event. Although it is not that extensive, the fact that this small-scale but indistinguishable organization controlled the activities of the military's operational forces should not be a military culture apart from the resolution of the case itself.

■ Kim Byung-joo: I've already raised a lot of questions about the private organization during the parliamentary audit. Actually, and the intelligence agency had a problem with Agent Black last time. The list of Black agents was handed over to North Korea, so there was a big security hole, and the problem at that time was that they were just using a group of retired generals in a safe house run by an intelligence agency. That's why there's a problem with the reservist group. So, due to the conflict at the time, there was a conflict between the intelligence commander and the four one-stein brigade commander, so there was a counter-offensive case. So at that time, reservists and organizations like this raised the issue of officially not being able to use the comfort women of government agencies and asked them to take care of these things, but they couldn't.
And this time, the special forces and the radiation were all carried out in the chain of command, and the special forces commander did it to the brigade commander. But the information work was completely a private branch organization. Originally, the superior of the intelligence commander was the head of the intelligence division and three stars. On top of that, there is a chain of command as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the defense minister, and a reserve officer named Roh Sang-won takes a detour from the head of the intelligence headquarters or the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and instructs immediately after receiving instructions from Minister Kim Yong-hyun, and the commander of the intelligence command is not because there is a chain of command, but because he gave two colonel duties to do this or Roh Sang-won himself, I don't understand why. I think I've won the promotion. Roh Sang-won is very close to Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, so I think he also intervened in personnel appointments there. The next human information to the two colonel. They have that specialty, and their specialty is 820, and the top rank is a brigade 1 star. Because there aren't many people. So next time, you do Kim Dae-ryeong, and then you do Jeong Dae-ryeong. There's not much time left until the discharge, but Colonel Jeong gives up when there's three years left. Don't do that now, and you can do it, so I was desperate for promotion, so I started cooperating with it, so I think the retired general Roh Sang-won gave gaslighting to the colonel or the intelligence commander. If you look at how I did it in November, I'll send you the rigged far-right YouTube and use it as an educational material, so I asked you to summarize it and send it to me, so when I watch things like that, gaslighting keeps happening. Shouldn't this election be a belief in fraudulent elections so that we can go and rip off the server? I think that's how I gaslighted it. And these two colonel's don't use the organization, but for example, in the case of HID, there's an organization like Colonel and Lieutenant Colonel on top of that. I asked them to pick 3 or 5 people who are very good at it, so I contacted them individually and called them up, and they put 30 people on standby for the secret organization. I do it. So this completely shakes the hierarchy of the military. And it would be a thousand people to use this important human asset of the real state for this special purpose for some political purpose. Also, the troops of that nature are likely to have given such a mission to perform the cutthroat mission, so we have to reveal this.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: There is a breaking news right now. The breaking news broke that former intelligence commander Roh Sang-won will give up the review of the arrest warrant scheduled for this afternoon. However, the police reportedly doubt that the draft decree was also drafted by the former commander Roh on the day of martial law. It's because the word 'treatment' is not a word we use every day. I had a lot of doubts.

■ Kim Byung-joo: I think Roh Sang-won is at the heart of the project that I planned here. In fact, close aides to the Minister of National Defense asked once. According to the testimony, who did this to the minister? So the minister replied that I did it, but it was all typed. I've never seen him type since he became a minister. Then since someone didn't do it in the public organization, someone must have done it or someone else, and if you look here, there are many things, especially Yoon Seok-yeol, who was directly involved in this. If you look at paragraph 5, it says that doctors will be punished if they don't do it 48 hours before returning. Why don't soldiers have such a thing in a general decree? If you were a soldier, so was the minister. One of the policies that Yoon Seok-yeol failed the most is this problem of his major. That's why there's a medical catastrophe. Since I couldn't solve it politically, I'm going to sweep it with a knife. Since I strongly entered that intention, I think Roh Sang-won may have modified the phrase and Yoon Seok-yeol was involved on top of it.

◇ Choi Soo-young: However, the Constitutional Court of Representative Cho asked President Yoon to declare martial law and submit the minutes of the Cabinet meeting by the 24th, but as you said, there was some controversy over the decree that included the punishment of the major. How do you analyze who wrote this?

□ Cho Hae-jin: No matter who did it, this constitutional idea or the rule of law or the culture of civil society outside of the military, in a way, he's not the kind of person who's kind of trapped on an island like the Galapagos.

◇ The word punishment?

□ Cho Hae-jin: These days, even young soldiers don't think or express words like they used to. The fact that I talked to former commander Roh Sang-won and his juniors a while ago was that they basically believed that martial law would succeed like this while watching the report. The president just told the National Assembly that he did shock therapy to the opposition party, especially with the aim of calling the people's attention and warning the opposition party hard to prevent such an impeachment bomb explosion, but he is doing it on the premise that if he or she or the colonel does it, he or she succeeds and then the follow-up process continues. Didn't you prepare to conduct a fraudulent election investigation with the NEC server? So, as I told you yesterday on the show, I saw martial law declared at 10:30 p.m., and my daughter, wife, and five family members sat down and talked, "It's not realistically possible. Even if tanks come out, armored vehicles come out, and armed forces are dispatched, if citizens block it, it's not possible," but I thought how isolated this accident is that they thought it was possible.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: And one of the four people at the hamburger restaurant meeting, Moon Sang-ho, the intelligence commander, was arrested by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at around 12:20 p.m. today. The situation of ordering the securing of the NEC's server has been known, but is there any new information you have obtained about it?

■ Kim Byung-joo: Not only the NEC, but I ordered some of the people who participated here to buy things because they would be there for about three nights and four days. Then

◆ Lee Ik-seon: What do you mean by 3 nights and 4 days?

■ Kim Byung-joo: It's about 4 days of operation. And according to the latest information, don't you prepare this for 2 weeks and go to sleep and then you're going to do the operation for 2 weeks? It takes only a day for the NEC server to come. Then there were a lot of follow-up operations planned, and I think these intelligence agents might have been used to create some cause after the emergency martial law was successful. For example, how peaceful was December 3rd that day? It's not a wartime situation, and if there's no confusion at all, there's no justification for the cause. If the National Assembly makes a condition that they can't lift the emergency martial law they want, arrest the lawmakers, or assassinate them, and then win the election committee, it's a fraudulent election, so I think most of the 22nd National Assembly members would have made a systematic cause after that. In the past, North Korea used loudspeakers to induce provocations and send drones to Pyongyang to make a cause, but since North Korea is now dispatched to Russia and is distracted, it failed to make a tangible provocation and made a rhetorical provocation. So, I gathered North Korean operatives to make such conditions in the Republic of Korea, and recently, I revealed and praised myself yesterday, and I made an emergency order at the end of July for 30 North Korean people's uniforms, and 170 copies of them were delivered to the intelligence agency three weeks before the emergency. From what I can see, in 2016 and 2015, I generally bought these for educational or training purposes, but I never applied for them urgently. So, I need a few next year with a budget, but I bought them in 2015 and 2016, and I never bought them, and at that time, I made a request urgently at the end of July, made a private contract, and made an open bid, so I rushed to sign a private contract, and I'm tracking it because it was delivered three weeks ago. Is there any association with this

◇ Choi Soo-young: So a little while ago, Representative Kim said that it would take about two weeks, so there would be time to prepare, but the president really talked and said, "Where's the two-hour civil war?" And the defense team also said that this is not a "civil war", but a "civil war". So what you're saying right now is that you've prepared this very systematically and in the long run, right?

■ [Kim Byung-joo] Of course. It's been a long time. In fact, after becoming president, I think Kim Yong-hyun did something, and if they didn't solve it politically in their heads, they would sweep it off with this and dream of becoming king. I think it actually started in November of last year.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Do you have any grounds?

■ Kim Byung-joo: The counterintelligence commander Yeo In-hyeong from Chungam High School was appointed as the counterintelligence commander. I think it became more visible after going, and the counterintelligence commander went and trained martial law for two weeks in March this year. Originally, it is customary to do it for one night and two days during the Korea-U.S. joint training in March. There's a lot of training for counterintelligence, too. But he supplemented martial law training by doing it for two weeks. I think the counterintelligence commander was probably in the head of Yoon Suk Yeol Kim Yong-hyun, the core of the Chungam faction. And these became visible, and now the circumstances come out. It's not that the president, Kim Yong-hyun, special forces, and anti-espionage commander gathered three times. The president and others gathered in June, October, and November to talk about martial law, and I think the HID report began on October 30th.

◇ Choi Soo-young: So the gist of the question I asked you is, were you trying to continue martial law for a long time?

■ Kim Byung-joo: I was going to do it long-term. Actually, because this time, it was only focused on martial law. So, all military martial law became martial law all over the region, so we are only interested in this area where the troops are currently dispatched, but in reality, martial law command and martial law command in 25 regions were created. Martial law command is created in each province, so it takes control of both administration and justice. If you didn't fail that day, even if you go to the Dong office on the morning of December 4, there are soldiers in all armored vehicles, and soldiers take control at the top of the county office, district office, and provincial office. But since it ended early, I didn't go there and just prepared, so now I'm actually seeing the head of the local government as a sympathizer. Because no one rebelled in an hour or two when the civil war broke out. Has Hong Joon Pyo rebelled? Oh Sehun, did you hear it?

◇ Choi Soo-young: Well, then, once martial law has been issued in the country, it's mandatory for administrative agencies to follow it. When I don't do it, I say that it was my job negligence.

■ Kim Byung-joo: Why did you go to the military when it was emergency martial law? It's the same thing as the martial law army without disobeying all of them. If that's not a martial law condition, we should have issued a statement saying that we can't do this. But that's when I followed it. Since I followed him then, no one is free from this, so this is focused on the National Assembly and the NEC, but we have to cut this off now. Otherwise, something like this will happen again and again in the future.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: So why did you send martial law troops to the National Assembly an hour later without entering martial law immediately after the declaration of martial law?

■ Kim Byung-joo: It needed time to get out.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: You didn't even think about it and did it then?

■ Kim Byung-joo: I think martial law soldiers were a little complacent. I don't know if SNS has developed and our civic consciousness has developed, and the commander of the special forces and I have asked individual questions, so if the initial plan is dispatched past 11 o'clock at the time, there will be no one in the National Assembly. So if you go inside the building and lock it inside, you won't let the lawmakers inside the main office. This is the first operation, and when I arrived, I saw that there were a lot of citizens, a lot of aides, and I was so embarrassed because I went to YouTubers' broadcasts.

□ Cho Hae-jin: It's too much to say that administrative agencies are administrative heads. If this martial law situation is not legally and realistically identified as it is, but if it unfolds like this as if it is a political hunt, the public is looking at it with common sense, so I think there is a good possibility that the backlash will arise, such as whether it is a rebellion or an impeachment. In fact, administrative agencies have not been notified in advance. There was no such thing as "prepare for martial law." Since the president is doing it all of a sudden, the administrative work should go back properly and the inconvenience of citizens should be minimized, so not only local governments but also the central government did the same on how to handle the administration in such an emergency situation and how to minimize the inconvenience of citizens. The Ministry of Economy and Finance also gathered, had a meeting with executives, and had a meeting on how to protect the exchange rate and stock prices. If they don't do it, the damage will be bigger, and if they don't do it anymore, they may be sympathizing with martial law through what they didn't do, but they should have said that they did a good job of dealing with emergency situations and ensuring that there is no damage to the economy or social order, especially taking pictures of the heads of Korean people's power organizations. These people are the competitors of Lee Jae-myung in the next presidential election. It only seems to mean that we need to make that scratch this time, and as I mentioned in the previous question, if the president really tried to do this by completely shutting down the National Assembly and then taking control of the country. First of all, martial law across the country should be notified in advance to the military command so that all of them can be dispatched at once. That's how it's supposed to be. If martial law is invoked not only in Seoul but also across the country, the military will be dispatched to enter government offices, media companies, and universities, but this time, no one has been notified in the provinces and there is no one to move. And if you want to keep lawmakers from meeting like this, there will be 300 people, but at least 600 people will have to go in to grab one person and come out, but 280 people will go in and 300 people will go in. On the one hand, I think it's either completely delusional or it's literally trying to warn you at least once without trying to do that.

■ Kim Byung-joo: Wait a minute. There was already a regional martial law command for the district martial law command nationwide, and it was in cooperation with government offices. The Ministry of the Interior and Safety ordered the closure of each provincial government, and most local governments met and complied with the order, so any local government is involved in rebellion, and there was a rebellion, so all local government heads are not free.

◆ Profit line: Okay. However, it was reported that the assassination plan, including Han Dong-hoon, raised by broadcaster Kim Eo-jun, was judged to be a bit fictional even within the Democratic Party. How do you see that?

■ Kim Byung-joo: That's because I think the Yoon Suk Yeol civil war continues. The rebellion is doing something we can't imagine. So, any report should be checked with weight on the possibility. I talked about martial law for the first time in August. The moment Minister Kim Yong-hyun was nominated as Defense Minister, I realized that he would do martial law now. It must have been a rescue. When I talked about it, most broadcasters and other people called me ghostly stories or bad words. It's delusional. I think I've dealt with how martial law is done in this era. It was like that in this era, but we're right. How do you do martial law in this day and age? And yet you did martial law and see if you can't imagine it. I'm thinking of breaking into the National Assembly like that and sharing my serve with the NEC, so I think there's a good chance. That's why I'm checking those things right now. In the case of Kim Eo-jun, it was the first time that he received a report from an American from the U.S. military. Since you're on the assassination side, get away with it quickly, and after avoiding it, the special forces agent actually came in. Did you imagine that the martial law army would be the first to come in when the polls are all over the place? I can't imagine it. Maybe YTN came in later, too. The next day, I can't imagine this situation, but I can't imagine what Kim Eo-jun said. So it's like this is spreading ghost stories. Or it's wrong to do this. Now, any reports have come in, so we have to believe in the possibility and investigate everything. When we talked about martial law at the moment when we thought it was a ghost story, I think there could be a possibility like that in politicians and the media. I think a former four-star general could have raised the issue and prevented it if they had done it together.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Are you saying that Kim Eo-jun's story is reliable, so we should check it out?

■ Kim Byung-joo: All the reports were reported. He didn't make it up either.

◇ Choi Soo-young: The U.S. Embassy said, "We're not."

■ Kim Byung-joo: No, not the ambassador, but the State Department officially says no. Of course. Do you do that to the world? Then, it's natural for the Ministry of National Defense to do that. There are various organizations there, too. Because the organization did it, there is an organization, and it is one of the various reports, so I have a number of reports, and I'm also checking them now. Soon, those things may be confirmed as true. Some can also be confirmed by investigation. because of the investigation .

◇ Choi Soo-young: But let me tell you one more breaking news recently. Today, Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok and Justice Minister Park Sung-jae, who met at the safe house just before martial law, reportedly replaced this cell phone, but how did this part

■ Kim Byung-joo: How long did you kneel down to change your phone? Why would you go to your phone if you simply got together? You're saying that you planned a rebellion and did something after the rebellion, so all four of you went right away, right? If you're discouraged, you should do that right away and quickly arrest and investigate those who destroy evidence.