Lee Eon-ju said, "Han Deok-soo, should I be responsible for it, but holding it in..."Insurrection - There is no room for Kim Gun-hee to reject the independent counsel."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 19, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Lee Eon-joo, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea,

.- 尹, I can't feel responsible for ruining military talent. An unpatriotic lousy person
- 尹, it's over. We need to normalize after impeachment as soon as possible
- 尹 The reason why your approval rating is strong? Media influence referring to 'early presidential election'
- Han Deok-soo should have held onto his 尹's trouser and blocked it.It was possible to prevent martial law.
- Acting President 韓 보여 looks bad in front of the media
- Han Deok-soo, should be held accountable but endures to stabilize state affairs
- There are many opinions within the party regarding impeachment of 韓....Insurrection - There is no room for Kim Gun-hee to reject the independent counsel
- If the independent counsel refuses, it will be blocked with the whole body to resolve the rebellion
- We need to normalize it after impeachment..What kind of people do you think will come back 尹

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◆Shinryul: Shinryul's News Head-to-head Match Part 1 is the best class time. As I said earlier, Lee Eon-joo, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea, is scheduled to arrive now. Let's start the interview over the phone. Lee Eon-joo is on the phone. Hello, Mr. Lee.

◇Ironju: Hello,

◆ Shin Yul: You're currently in charge of the head of the economic situation inspection team of the Special Committee on State Security to overcome the civil war in the Democratic Party of Korea, right?

◇Ironjoo: The name is a little long, right? That's right.

◆ Shin Yul: When I talked about this with Supreme Council member Lee two weeks ago, I never thought this would happen.

◇Ironju: That's right. I never thought such a ridiculous emergency martial law would happen. In Korea, it's 2024 now. We're talking with a smile. On that very day, I risked my life to run to the National Assembly.

◆ Shin-ryul: This is why our Supreme Council member Lee Eon-joo was selected as the best member of this year's parliamentary audit, and this news is now going to be buried. Anyway, I should still congratulate you. Congratulations.

◇Ironju: Thank you. Anyway, I worked hard and asked questions about pending issues to the Sanjawi today. Don't we have to take care of the economy and industry in a difficult situation? Trump's inauguration is also coming up soon, and I'm very worried. So, I hope that the impeachment decision such as the Yoon Suk Yeol civil war will be quickly resolved and political uncertainty will be stabilized. And anyway, we should take care of the economy that we haven't been able to take care of so far so that we don't worry about the people at the end of the year and the beginning of the year.

◆ Shin Yul: But I'm very worried right now. That's actually the case. Since the supreme council member was a high-ranking executive at a large company, I think that's why he became the head of the economic situation inspection team of the Special Committee on State Security overcoming the civil war. What do you think? How do you see the economic situation now?

◇Ironju: The current economic situation is actually that the Korean economy is not bad, but in a way, it's been getting worse for a few years. And especially last year, so this year, it wasn't getting very good. So the economic growth rate was falling a lot. In that state, what the industrial structure is like. China, which used to trade intermediate goods, is now catching up with us a lot in the global market in the manufacturing sector, so China has already overtaken a lot in all fields of electric vehicles, batteries, shipbuilding, and petrochemicals. So, Korean companies are struggling because we are catching up a lot in terms of cost competitiveness and technology, and in fact, we are in a critical crisis where we need to restructure the areas we need to invest quickly and develop new areas by investing hard. Moreover, isn't the Trump administration launching on January 20th this time in the United States? Then, there is a high possibility that these tariffs will be very high and that tariff pressure on Korea will be high, but not only tariffs but also supply chains are still in difficult situations, so it is a situation that is tightly blocked back and forth. It's a situation where we have to find wisdom here.

◆ Credit: On top of that, the U.S. suddenly raised interest rates again.

◇Ironju: That's right. So it's a situation where you can't get your act together. We're not actually lowering interest rates because the economy is very difficult right now. But if we suddenly raise interest rates like this again, we can't catch it, so this is a situation. But we can't keep up with it because domestic demand is so bad, so if we raise liquidity now while the market is dry, the household debt problem or especially self-employed people and small and medium-sized companies that can't handle it will have a big problem. So, shouldn't we think about this emergency relief plan in the economic situation experience group and the party? And we've had President Yoon Suk Yeol kind of been into some kind of sound financial plating. So you shouldn't spend your finances unconditionally. But there was something wrong with the input, but now President Yoon Suk Yeol has been prosecuted for impeachment, so now the governor of the Bank of Korea and there is some consensus about fiscal expansion. Rather, it is not possible to say that this expands the finances, tightens, which ones are good or bad, but when domestic demand is so bad as now, the state has no choice but to play a role. Since there is no place to spend money, neither companies nor households can afford to invest or spend money, so isn't it a company? Don't invest only when it's money? So in the end, the government has no choice but to spend. This is because we still have a little bit of government debt compared to other countries.

◆ Shin Yul: By the way. Our Supreme Council member Lee Eon-joo is also a legal professional, so I'm asking you, did you see that today? Didn't lawyer Seok Dong-hyun present his statement to the President of Yoon Suk Yeol at 2 o'clock? However, the president did not even mention the arrest and body count. I said that this is not even me. What do you think?

◇Ironjoo: I'm very shameless and that's a straight lie. Everyone would think that so much, but apart from that, it's so irresponsible. Oh, this is really patriotism for the country. There wasn't this person at all. The reason is that on that day, at the direction and order of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol, the commanders ordered and ordered again, so that the martial law forces on that front did not eventually enter the National Assembly? We've entered, haven't we? That's why they broke the window and came into the National Assembly, came into the National Assembly, fought with National Assembly aides and citizens. . The whole nation watched it all through the live broadcast of the show, pushing and pulling each other and fighting each other. So it's obvious that it's an invasion of the National Assembly and it's actions to restrain and arrest lawmakers. Then, it was an action to restrain the National Assembly's decision. But I didn't mention a word about the National Assembly, and the commanders dared to do it against the direction that the president didn't even give. Or it means that the martial law troops underneath them have done such a terrible thing on their own. So what happens is this civil war and this is a rival to the military revolt. This is a great felony with only the death penalty. It's a national constitutional offense, but if you don't even have an order above, and you go back to it and say that the commander, frontline commanders, or soldiers underneath it did so at will, this is the case. More and more, the soldiers and the commanders. It's not a complete mess, it's a whole life. No, it's going to be a death sentence. It's probably a huge task to the extent that you get a weapon or a death sentence. From what I can see, they came because they couldn't violate the order, but because they know it's wrong, they don't know what to do and they're really struggling. Isn't it so? Don't many people testify to the conflicts? Then in fact, it is President Yoon Suk Yeol himself who has ruined the nation's military and all these military talents. But he said, "I'll take all the responsibilities." These people are not at fault. So, I hope that the military of the Republic of Korea will just take care of those who are not at fault. Even though I did something wrong, on the way to the end, I thought that I was a very poor person who didn't even have a conscience at the end, so I thought, "Oh, I was in trouble." It was really a word that showed that this country is a person who is united by his own selfishness without even an ounce of patriotism. It is.

◆Shin Yul: Let me ask you one more question. Today, the NBS survey came out as a national indicator survey. This is a poll of 1,002 men and women aged 18 or older nationwide from December 16th to 18th. Of course, for more information, you can refer to the website of the Central Election Public Opinion Review Committee, and the survey showed that the president's approval rating was 16%. And in terms of party support, 39% of the Democratic Party of Korea and 26% of the people's power came out. But this is actually a very high number compared to the time when former President Park Geun Hye was impeached. How do you see this part?

◇Ironju: Unlike then, I think it's because there is a little bit of an early presidential election among the people.

◆ Shin Yul: Aha, yes.

◇Ironju: Maybe it's because of the media.

◆ Shin Yul: Because of the media.

◇Ironju: The media is a little bit...

◆ Shin Yul: You keep talking about the early presidential election?

◇Ironju: Maybe that's why. In fact, this civil war has not been completely resolved. Because, as I tell you, it's a Yoon Suk Yeol president, a Yoon Suk Yeol president. He's the one anyway.

◆ Shin Yul: Legally, he's the president.

◇Ironju: But doesn't he admit to his fault at all and still say that he'll continue to do something about this uncertain situation? So, in fact, the public should be more alert about this because this situation continues, but compared to then, this issue is so obvious that it corresponds to a very obvious civil war. All the people watched it live on TV, so in fact, during the Park Geun Hye presidency, it was a suspicion of corruption of state affairs. Also, since it was about the Choi Soon-sil scandal, there were some pros and cons about whether impeachment was possible or not, right? But there are very few now. Because of that, people are already saying that. .

◆ Shin Yul: Please come in and tell us. Supreme Council member Lee Eon-joo has arrived. Please come in. You must be very busy these days. All the politicians are so busy right now, but it's especially hard to recruit the ruling party politicians. These days, no, but keep talking. Example

◇Ironjoo: This is... Wait a minute. It's so hectic.

◆ Shin-ryul: So if I summarize it now, the media and all the social atmosphere are heading toward the early presidential election, and the second is that I didn't see the interpretation in person during former President Park Geun Hye. However, now that the whole nation has watched it live, there is a possibility that such an atmosphere will become a fait accompli. You mean the early presidential election?

◇Ironju: That's right. So, the composition is already a bit solid. And at that time, the People's Party and the Justice Party and what else? a right political party Although those parties were small, each of them had some approval ratings.

◆ Shin Yul: The People's Party was a bit considerable.

◇Ironju: So the conservative supporters were the Saenuri Party. at that time. So there were many options to leave the Saenuri Party and go to another alternative. But now it's just two sugars. In fact, there are other small parties, but in the case of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, the approval rating has decreased a lot recently, so there are not many other options compared to that time. As a result, it seems that there are quite a few people who are disappointed in the power of the people, but cannot leave this place anymore. And then during the Park Geun Hye presidency, I withdrew all my support because I was disappointed with the president of Park Geun Hye, and then other supporters, other presidential candidates, or leaders of other conservative parties, who were they at the time? Like Yoo Seung Min and so on.

◆Sinryul: Hong Joon Pyo. .

◇Ironju: There were a lot of people. There were some places to support these people, but now they have left, and now even CEO Han Dong-hoon has disappeared. That's why there's nowhere to go. I think this is what the public is like now. Even at that time, there were some people who said that they would destroy conservatives, but in the past, there was a very primitive barbaric era when they pushed all their supporters and all of them were eliminated. But now, if we are impeached or toppled through some political power struggle, some error, some constitutional rebellion, or a civil war, then even if the leader is gone, the propensity of his supporters does not change much. So it's not that people with that tendency are destroyed. So they can choose another alternative and move on, but if you don't see that right away, they just stay.

◆ Shin Yul: It stays for now.

◇Ironju: Yes. In my view, it's in that state, and in fact, everyone has different thoughts from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, but some people say that they should attack harder and leave because of the power of the people who have many problems. And in some ways, if they want to be able to look at the Democratic Party as an alternative, then the Democratic Party should also show a broader and more inclusive appearance. Now, they have their own arguments.

◆ Shin Yul: No, that's what Supreme Council member Lee Eon-joo just said. The National Assembly's perception of the results of the impeachment vote is also in the NBS investigation, which is a good decision of 78%. In fact, 78 percent, 16 percent supporting Yoon Suk Yeol's president, and 24 percent supporting the people's power are bound to have some logical inconsistency, so you're saying that you don't think this is right with your head, but you have nowhere to go, right?

◇Ironju: So you can look at it like this. If you subtract 78 from 100, it's 22. So, in general, I support the power of the people. Those who think it's still not in favor of impeachment. There are people who support the impeachment, some support the Democratic Party, but the Democratic Party has not yet supported it, so actively. I'll just watch. There are people who do it. It's like this and then I don't approve of impeachment, but it's Yoon Suk Yeol that ruined the conservatives. There are people who think like this. So there are people who think that they don't like that person. Also, that person said that President Yoon Suk Yeol is actually saying this, but going back, in the past, during the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye. At that time, during the special prosecution of state affairs manipulation, the president of Park Geun Hye and the conservative forces around him took the lead, and in a way, from the other side or the middle class, this is too cruel. I thought about that a lot. I'm a person who wielded the prosecution's right to investigate so badly. That's why I became a hero. I think in a way, when we're like this all the time. You have to be wary of people who are so cruel. So, we always have to realize this justice, but I think it's another important virtue of politics to realize this and coordinate the areas where we should go and what line we should go and how much we should restrain ourselves.

◆ Shin-ryul: In that sense, some people said that we should be inclusive, but didn't Prime Minister Han Deok-soo veto the six bills today? But how do you watch it? The Democratic Party seems to be talking about impeachment again after leaving the party's theory, so what do you think of impeachment?

◇Ironju: So if Prime Minister Han Deok-soo was not a member of the State Council at the time of the declaration of martial law, I think he might do this if this was not the subject of martial law. But why are people angry now? He was a member of the State Council and prime minister at the time. But the truth is that if we are mistakenly declared martial law, it will cause great losses to a great country and it will be scary. If this had been done as it is, the country would have been ruined. And how painful it is for our people to be arrested without a warrant, not able to broadcast the media, not knowing who will be arrested, and this situation will lead to the loss of the national rookie economy. But no one thought it would be in this day and age, but there's a mechanism in our Constitution that filters this out for the first time ever. It's a Cabinet meeting. That's why the members of the State Council should have stopped this even if they held on to the crotch of their pants. These State Council members are not in a relationship like Yoon Suk Yeol for the country, as they are making a fuss about stepping on me or making a fuss. No matter how close we were. Because it's obvious what the consequences will be, but we're still in this pain even though it's been a few hours and it's been lifted, aren't we? But what would have happened if this continued? That's why I came all the way to the National Assembly because it was the first hurdle and it failed. It's not a failure, but I haven't even tried it. In a way, didn't you passively do something and just leave? In that sense, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, as a very large prime minister, or prime minister, a constitutional institution, failed to properly fulfill his duty to prevent disorderly conduct of the constitutional order. That's why you didn't fulfill your duty to protect the constitution properly. Then, it would not be enough to feel very guilty about this and reflect on it thoroughly, so this person doesn't look very good in front of the media like this, how I do this, how I do that, and what do I do next as an acting president. Who are you to do this right now? I'm asking if you deserve it. I stopped it on that day, and it became like this. I blocked it at the Cabinet meeting. But the president is probably the reason for impeachment, right? That's because just violating the Constitution is a reason for impeachment. Then, if the impeachment was impeached in that way, I think Prime Minister Han Deok-soo can speak his opinion as an acting president, and I think the National Assembly can negotiate with him enough. But that's not the case. So at least he needs to know his situation. We should all hold him responsible as a constitutional institution that failed to prevent the situation at the Cabinet meeting at the time. The National Assembly does, but if that happens, who raises the cattle? That's right. So, the National Assembly is also controlling it, taking all that into account. That's why it's very hard. The lawmakers, like me at the time, went in with their lives, and I fought and went in and cried. But that day, everyone has it as a trauma, but it's hard to bear that it comes out like that. In fact, that's why I vetoed six bills today, regardless of what Prime Minister Han Deok-soo was doing. I can't stand it among the lawmakers. There will be lawmakers who do it, and there will be people who are very generous, but I know that there are quite a lot of opinions that we should do this right away until the impeachment of the prime minister. But even if you don't do it like this the day after tomorrow, I think this person should be very careful. At least. Aren't there bills related to this civil war that fall under the national order?

◆ Shin Yul: Appointment of independent counsel for rebellion, independent counsel Kim Gun-hee and constitutional judge.

◇Ironju: If it gets in the way of this, then there's no room for it. This is just how the person who didn't do it at the Cabinet meeting does that. It's not in this dimension, it's this person who is continuing the civil war with his whole body right now. You become the one who stops you from solving it with your whole body.

◆ Shin Yul: I see.

◇Ironju: Don't you think we need to sort this out and normalize it quickly?

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. No, it's so chaotic these days.

◇Ironju: I know. We are. Who would think President Yoon would come back? This is already over. So it's right to solve it quickly and return to normal quickly.

◆ Shin Yul: I see. You're busy today, but you called me on the way here, and I'm personally very grateful that you came all the way here. Thank you. Thank you for your words today. Thank you.

◇Ironju: Yes, thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, he was the supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea, Lee Eon-joo.