[News UP] "I don't even talk about the letter 'Che' of arrest"...Yun's side denies the charge of rebellion?

■ Host: anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Starring: Kim Min-soo, former spokesman for the People's Power, Kang Sung-pil, deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's take a closer look at the political situation. We will join former People's Power spokesman Kim Min-soo and Democratic Party deputy spokesperson Kang Sung-pil. Please come in. He's a legal advisor to President Yoon. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun held a press conference yesterday. The president said that he had never even taken out a body figure in the arrest. How did you hear it yesterday?

[Kang Sungpil]
First of all, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun is not the official lawyer for President Yoon Suk Yeol anyway. If you are just a friend of 40 years and a close acquaintance, can someone who comes out like that and doesn't have authority do a press conference like this? First of all, I have a question about that. Even if you look at the contents of the press conference, there is nothing new. If you say that there has been objective testimony and statements so far, and you have not even brought up an arrest, how will you explain the things that have been objectively stated so far? If so, you have to objectively argue that it's not like this or that, but you just say what you want to say. And why do the reporters refuse to accept the Constitutional Court documents if the President of Yoon Suk Yeol is so justified? If you ask, they don't answer that. So in the end, I believe that there was such an intention to unite the supporters and pressure the active members of the people who are in favor of impeachment and be dragged into the traitor frame.

[Anchor]
Aren't there specific statements from several military officials, not one or two? How can I explain this part when it contradicts the president's argument?

[Kim Minsoo]
In these cases, the statements of those involved now are obviously important. However, in order for the statement to be effective, it must be consistent, and reliability and objectivity must be guaranteed. However, I think the part of whether the statements of those involved have consistency and objectivity now is something that needs to be watched in depth right now. For example, in the case of soldiers now, most of the statements of the former specific commander Kwak Jong-geun were leading. In this case, Rep. Park Beom-gye contacted me for the first time during the recess, and my statement has changed, and the statement continues to fluctuate.

In addition to this, the first deputy director of the National Intelligence Service said he received it from the commander of the anti-espionage command of the arrest list, but he was unable to attend the National Assembly Intelligence Committee because of concerns over perjury. Therefore, I will have to check whether there is any political cajole from the Democratic Party of Korea. It has not yet been confirmed which of these statements is true or not. It is judged that these parts will be confirmed through the trial. So I think it's very dangerous to go into each statement now, confirming that something is true or false.

[Anchor]
I think there's something you can refute.

[Kang Sungpil]
Anyway, recently, testimonies from specific commanders, counterintelligence commanders, and the National Intelligence Service are also testimonies, but new things are coming out. What's that? Isn't it that President Yoon Suk Yeol specifically ordered to arrest one person for four, according to one media report? So, of course, there are parts that need to be more objectively confirmed, but I'll tell you anyway, but it's not a matter of abstractly just saying that it hasn't been done vaguely, but it's necessary to objectively say that this is wrong and that such testimony is wrong.

[Kim Minsoo]
It may not be appropriate to speak through the media before the trial process to refute all of those things one by one. In the case of July, there were a lot of circumstantial evidence that the Democratic Party of Korea tried to appease the family and aides of former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young at the time of Lee Hwa-young's trial. Given this situation, it could be a really significant misconduct if Democrats cajoled these statements by any chance through inappropriate contact with military personnel. And I would also like to say that it is wrong for the Democratic Party to use and use these statements in the form of propaganda and instigation of the people, as these statements have not been confirmed before the trial.

And the Democratic Party even created a reporting center on the 11th. The creation of a reporting center means that we will play public opinion through reports that have not been objectively confirmed by martial law reports, and I would also like to say that the Democratic Party of Korea's behavior is very light on the important case of martial law.

[Kang Sungpil]
To give you an additional brief description, what specific commander Kwak Jong-geun said during the interview with Democratic Party lawmakers was questioned by the prosecution, so I felt like I was asking questions about the civil war with former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun at the center, not with the president at the center.I think so, and secondly, at first, key figures of the workers involved in the civil war gave false testimony to two things. First, I knew everything from the news. Second, since he said he was ordered by former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, we need to watch the investigation by the investigative agency because all of these are now being revealed as wrong facts, I will say this.

[Anchor]
I think we need to accurately check the facts of these parts through investigation. One of the parts that President Yoon is now criticized for is dragging his feet. He has not responded to the request for subpoena and has not received documents on the impeachment trial, but lawyer Seok said yesterday that it is because the lawyers have not been formed. But in fact, isn't it a situation where we don't know when the lawyers will be fully established?

[Kim Minsoo]
Shouldn't we look back now on how this is driving Yoon Suk Yeol's president to delay the trial without even giving him a week or so to set up a defense team after martial law? For example, in the case of Chairman Lee Jae-myung, the trial has been delayed for more than two years and the same is true of the Democratic Party's money envelope case. My country was judged, but my country also took a very long time. If this had been the case, wouldn't all of these incidents have been made to the final trial? And now representative Lee Jae-myung is the same as the Public Official Election Act. There's a one-year compulsory rule. Finish the final trial within a year.

Nevertheless, even the first trial was delayed to the point where it took a year and two months, and the Democratic Party did not say a single word at this time. Lee Jae-myung, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea, continued to postpone the second trial, saying that the lawyers were not formed. But let me tell you this. Representative Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party of Korea are saying that even setting up a lawyer for the Public Official Election Act needs such a long time. If you say you do what the Democratic Party claims, you're guilty of rebellion. And some far-left politicians, far-left YouTubers, say this. This is the death penalty or life imprisonment. Is it a week, a long time to set up a defense team for serious crimes that lead to the death penalty or life imprisonment? I'd like to ask back. And I would also like to say that when the Democratic Party of Korea always makes a claim, don't make a claim with left-wing innocence or right-wing conviction, but use the same standard of law because there is only one law in the Republic of Korea.

[Anchor]
How are you going to refute it?

[Kang Sungpil]
In terms of public power, only Lee Jae-myung talks about the principle of 6, 3, and 3 in relation to the Public Official Election Act as if this does not apply, but even if most of the Public Official Election Act are compulsory regulations, there are certain characteristics of crimes that fail to comply with them. The power of the people is also good. If you try to point out the delay of representative Lee Jae-myung, you should point out the delay in the trial against the current president of Yoon Suk Yeol instead of selectively. Then, I will also admit that the realistic president of Yoon Suk Yeol has a problem in finding a lawyer. Why? Few lawyers in Korea have actually defended the crime of rebellion. And because the charges of rebellion are so high, there will be no lawyers willing to come forward on this. And I understand that large law firms are avoiding all of them because there is nothing to benefit from considering the value and fees of this trial.

If there is such a realistic situation, the president should send a lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, a lawyer who is not his official lawyer, and Kim Hong-il, the former chairman of the Korea Communications Commission, to ask him to give me a little time because I have these difficulties. But would the people understand that a person who is the president of a country and was the prosecutor general in the past and has summoned, prosecuted, and investigated criminals all his life is actually taking such an attitude? So I want President Yoon Suk Yeol to protect his body as president. That's why I think it's better not to refuse to receive it and to ask them to understand because it takes time for this reason, as our spokesman said.

[Anchor]
I'm curious about that part. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun is not in a situation where he is officially defending the president, but he is representing the president's position, isn't he? Why isn't it officially in charge?

[Kim Minsoo]
I think it's a matter of Korean politics. For example, it is such a serious case now, and if you judge that the result of the judgment is really wrong, it has a big impact on not only yourself but also Korea, and the process of appointing a lawyer for this will naturally have to be fully considered and considered. Nevertheless, during this short period of time, the Democratic Party's political offensive is really acting lightly on the heavy situation of martial law that they are talking about. Then, it seems that someone is expressing their position instead of just blindly looking at the situation in which the Democratic Party is unilaterally claiming and propaganda. Actually, I'm also a little dissatisfied with that part. For example, I would like to ask you if you had a press conference and tried to talk about your position on the president, wouldn't you have been able to do much better than me? So I would also like to add that those who want to defend the president here should be more prepared.

[Anchor]
Some people say that President Yoon may apply for an injunction to lift the suspension of his duties, but do you think there is a possibility?

[Kang Sungpil]
In fact, it may be possible for the legal profession to do this. Otherwise, the opinion that it is not possible is divided. But the problem is that the current law is important for politicians, but what's more important is the National Emotion Act, right? In particular, the Constitutional Court judges the illegality of the crime and whether the illegal act is serious enough to lead to dismissal, but the public opinion is also judged. But for example, President Yoon Suk Yeol is now refusing to receive documents related to the impeachment trial. But he said he received the flower basket for his birthday. Then, how frustrating would it be if the people found out about this? But you even apply for a provisional injunction for suspension of effect here? Go head-to-head as president of this stuff. You said you were legally and politically responsible. So, it is said that he will come to the impeachment trial and even plead himself, so I recommend that you go head-to-head if you are really proud of yourself and fight with the people until the end.

[Anchor]
How do you see the atmosphere in the presidential office?

[Kim Minsoo]
I think there is an answer to what the chairman just said. The president will fight fairly with the people until the end. That's why I think I just applied for an injunction. In the case of provisional disposition, if the current situation is left unattended before the main decision is made, an application for provisional disposition is made if damage that is difficult to recover is expected. Then the president's duties are suspended now. It would be considered that the political impact on this part is also significant. Due to the suspension of the president's duties, Trump is elected now, and I think there are certain areas that will cause national damage, such as various international taxes and responses to the economy. I would like to argue that the president has chosen to fight confidently with the people, not to take advantage of his trial, but to lift the suspension of his duties through an application for an injunction for the future of the Republic of Korea and the people.

[Anchor]
Let's move on to the next issue. Acting President Han Deok-soo vetoed six bills yesterday. The Democratic Party of Korea is already writing articles of impeachment, and it seems to be pressuring to judge whether the special prosecutor will accept it. How are you watching it?

[Kang Sungpil]
Personally, Han Deok-soo, acting president, was an economic bureaucrat. That's why I'll be conservative when it comes to fiscal spending. That's why I understand that part. And the Democratic Party of Korea should make a calm judgment now, and I know that acting president Han Deok-soo is a former economic official, which is negative about fiscal spending, but it should nevertheless determine which issues should be prioritized and judged in the current situation. In any case, the most urgent thing now is the normalization of the Constitutional Court in order for the impeachment trial to go smoothly. That's why the DP should not impeach Prime Minister Han Duck-soo right now, but rather quickly finish the tasks of the times, namely the independent counsel for insurrection, Kim Geon-hee, and the normalization of the Constitutional Court before making a judgment. Additionally, in the case of the United States, we call it the administration, and the Republic of Korea is the government. The reason is that the U.S. administration does not have the right to file a law. That's why we give the government illegal veto power. However, since our country has the right to submit laws, we actually have to be quite conservative to use the right to reject laws because it is in the Constitution. Therefore, in this regard, I would like to say that Prime Minister Han Deok-soo has his own beliefs when it comes to the bill, but he should never veto the special prosecution, which is a political issue.

[Anchor]
Among the special prosecutors that must be decided by January 1st is the Kim Special Prosecutor Act. There is the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act, and in the case of the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act, I think it will be more worrisome because it is a part of the acting Han Deok-soo's involvement.

[Kim Minsoo]
I think it is right to approach this not by the difference in the agenda of the law, but by the scope of the authority of acting Han Deok-soo. For example, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is not the elected power that the ruling and opposition parties are talking about in the same way. That's why it's said to use passive authority that maintains the status quo. In this sense, I believe that the exercise of the right to demand reconsideration now used a very passive authority. Because it's just as status quo as the old president's method. However, the moment it is judged that this bill is right to use the right to request reconsideration, and this bill is right not to use the right to request reconsideration, it serves as an active acting authority. Therefore, if Prime Minister Han Deok-soo believes that there is a political factor in this regard, no matter what law comes up as an acting authority, I can say that using the right to request reconsideration is to passively maintain the status quo.

[Anchor]
What do you think is the opinion that the independent counsel law should be rejected in order to meet the negative authority mentioned by the opposition party?

[Kang Sungpil]
But I remember the title of a daily newspaper editorial today. The power of the people, the right to reject the bill is fine, and the appointment of a constitutional judge is not allowed. What criteria is this? I think Prime Minister Han Deok-soo should come to the National Assembly and discuss with the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties under the chairmanship of the National Assembly if there is a point of concern when exercising his authority, as the acting president is in power. In addition, however, what is at issue now is whether or not the acting president can do it in relation to the appointment of a constitutional judge.

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As for me personally, many lawyers have said this. There are many examples of acting Hwang Kyo-ahn in 2017. In 2017, Park Han-chul, the head of the Constitutional Court, will retire. However, since the president appoints the head of the Constitutional Court, Acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn did not make the appointment because he thought it was the president's responsibility. However, in the same year, in the case of Constitutional Judge Lee Sun-hae, it was recommended by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, so I appointed it with the recommendation of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So, I'm going to follow the procedure and come to the National Assembly before proceeding with the procedure, and I'll say that acting authority Han Deok-soo should exercise his right to veto or appoint after sufficient consultation with the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties.

[Kim Minsoo]
The appointment of judges and the use of the right to request reconsideration earlier are all in line in that they are passive powers that maintain the status quo. I would like to say that it is consistent. That's what I say. In order not to fall into self-contradiction, the power of the people needs to be consistent with this if they are acting passively. In this sense, it is natural not to appoint a constitutional judge, and the constitution requires the president of the constitutional judge to appoint it. And in terms of maintaining the status quo, the president and the Democratic Party have repeatedly raised the same agenda unconstitutionally and illegally, and the president has continued to use the right to request reconsideration.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party is holding up the impeachment card for a while.Ma believes that the government's function has been paralyzed by the abuse of the Democratic Party's impeachment bill. Regarding this, Kwon Sung-dong, acting chairman of the People's Power Party, proposed a bill yesterday to punish lawmakers who proposed and voted for impeachment if it was rejected. What's your opinion?

[Kang Sungpil]
I want to ask floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, on the contrary, if impeachment is cited, will he be punished? So what kind of punishment are you going to get?
Then you should talk about that, too. I'll bet my job.You have to say that you want to retire right away. If the impeachment is rejected, let's punish the lawmakers who voted for it? Each member of the National Assembly is a constitutional institution. Is this what the power of the people, called a democratic party in a constitutional society, can say as the ruling party? This is because I was a lawyer and said this, and I was a member of the impeachment committee of former President Park Geun-hye in the past. Why did you do that then? From our perspective, and many people now consider the rebellion that led to Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of emergency martial law much more serious than former President Park Geun Hye's manipulation of state affairs, and in fact, former President Park Geun Hye is a kind of economic crisis that can be summed up as an economic community.

But in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol's emergency martial law, it is a critical situation that tried to overthrow the country. And when you keep saying that this is not a crime of rebellion, does a soldier break through the window and enter the main office of the National Assembly to maintain order, with a gun? Rather, the order becomes chaotic because of the soldiers. And why did you send HID North Korean operatives to the Central Election Commission? I really don't understand how the state can use the national military force, which has been cultivated hard for a long time and a lot of budget as a North Korean operative, for personal reasons at will.

[Kim Minsoo]
During the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye, the Democratic Party covered up all kinds of rumors and all kinds of charges. However, if you look at the final ruling, even bribery is not recognized. It has been revealed over time that it was a political impeachment. It's the same now. The Democratic Party continues to distribute scaremongering. It talks as if the crime of rebellion was confirmed, and even there was an order to kill CEO Han Dong-hoon, these rumors and fake news are being circulated casually now. That is why I would like to say that it is more dangerous than anything else to confirm the president's charges as a crime of rebellion or not. And it is important to determine the authenticity of CEO Kwon Sung-dong's words. The fact is that the Democratic Party of Korea has been conducting impeachment so far, not just for reasons of impeachment, but very unconstitutional and illegal.

Not only the Constitution of the Republic of Korea, but also the constitutions around the world stipulate the principle of the absence of insolation in the Constitution. This means don't post the same reasons in the same session or on the same agenda. However, the impeachment is being repeated indefinitely due to the split of the Democratic Party of Korea's session and the agenda. We are also posting discarded bills and the Special Prosecutor Act indefinitely. This is why they are now committing unconstitutionality by using unconstitutional and illegal expedients. It is said that even this principle is broken by the principle of the absence of insolation mentioned by the Constitution, and through this infinite repetition, it was the administration of the Republic of Korea that the Democratic Party eventually established. And it was justice. And I would like to say that it was the development of the Republic of Korea.

[Anchor]
It remains to be seen whether this discussion will be more ripe. Most of the demands that acting Kwon Sung-dong and Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung brought up at the meeting on the day before yesterday seem to have been canceled. It has been confirmed that the National Security Council is under consideration from the power of the people. Will there be a high chance of participating?

[Kim Minsoo]
I personally don't think there's any reason to participate. The National Council is really necessary for stability. But I think it's important what the Democratic Party really means. Any consultative body that really intends to stabilize state affairs should participate at least 10, 100, or 1,000 times. You have to participate right away. However, it is not that, but it is said as if the opposition party can enjoy the authority of the government under the pretext of the National Council, and it is now coming out through Lee Jae-myung's remarks. If I'm impure myself, I don't have to dip my feet here. I'd like to say that it's time for the Democratic Party to fight back, not get dragged into this political behavior of the Democratic Party.

[Anchor]
What do you think?

[Kang Sungpil]
a consultative body for the stability of state affairs Shouldn't the ruling party say this literally to stabilize the state affairs first? But the ruling party can't afford to do this because it's actually in a self-inflicted mess right now. And the current position of the people's power is in a position where it is difficult, in fact impossible, to pass a bill alone. That is why the cooperation of the ruling party is absolutely necessary in the National Assembly. However, if the National Assembly Security Council says the ruling party will come in, the Democratic Party, the majority party in the National Assembly, will be the main body. That's why the ruling party is unlikely to want to enter such a consultative body and show its lack of power. I understand how you feel. Nevertheless, the ruling party should have suggested to Lee Jae-myung that the state of economic instability, which is currently in a state of chaos due to President Yoon Suk Yeol's emergency vacancy and the exchange rate is rising due to a large drop in foreign credentials. I'm going to say this.

[Kim Minsoo]
The Democratic Party of Korea is really a huge opposition party, with 180 seats, and has paralyzed administration, legislation, and justice. You can't even tell the robber a weapon, can you? The robber shouldn't give you that weapon because he told you to give it to him. So, I would like to say that the members of the People's Power should not just think that public opinion is scary right now, but focus more on what the truth is that we should be told, so that there will be another opportunity to win the support of the people.

[Anchor]
Let's see what public opinion thinks about each political party. There's a poll, so I think we'll have to look at it. This is what we investigated from the 16th to the 18th. Please show us the graphic. The Democratic Party has a 39 percent approval rating. The power of the people was found to be 26%. In this administration, the gap in approval ratings has widened to the maximum, so what do you think?

[Kim Minsoo]
In January 2019, I came in through an open audition for the chairman of the party's cooperation committee. Two days later, I clearly remember that the Liberty Korea Party's approval rating was 16% at the time in the poll. Now I don't think this approval rating is very meaningful. There will be a lot of political wrangling and untrue wrangling in the approval rating. And on the other hand, I think the fact that the Democratic Party is really putting the power of the people on the president, and yet the Democratic Party's approval rating has not risen significantly is an important point to this public opinion. And what's important now is that representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is left with several cases that are not clear and have yet to be judged. The same goes for the impeachment of the president here now. I think the approval rating when these parts are definitively ruled is the real approval rating.

[Anchor]
If you show us the graphic one more time. The Democratic Party is the highest at 39 percent.Ma is the gray part on the rightmost side. As many as 22% of the respondents said they did not support any political party. How should I look at this part?

[Kang Sungpil]
First of all, I'm currently 39% of the Democratic Party, but I think I should look at it as 47% versus 26%, including 8% of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. Because now, the gap is so wide because of the impeachment crisis that led to the emergency martial law of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Nevertheless, 22% means that we need to look objectively at this impeachment trial and the ongoing investigation in the future. In any case, I think the Democratic Party is still lacking in capturing the hearts of the neutral people. That's why the Democratic Party needs to take this opportunity to show the people a sense of stability that it can manage state affairs well and stabilize the political situation, even though it is an opposition party.

[Anchor]
I see. I'll stop listening to you two. Kim Min-soo, former spokesman for the People's Power, and Kang Sung-pil, deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party. Thank you.