Lee Jae-myung, "I impeached Han Deok-soo today"...People's Power Criticizes "Democrats, Serial Impeachment"

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■ Appearance: Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo, Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University

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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, we have Kim Jin, a former editor-in-chief of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Welcome. I will impeach acting Han Deok-soo. Today, the Democratic Party expressed its tough stance. Let's listen to it.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: Suppression of civil war is stabilizing state affairs and restoring the Democratic Republican Party. Suppression of civil war is the way to overcome the economic crisis and recover people's livelihoods. The suppression of civil war is the main task of the Republic of Korea at this moment. Today, the Democratic Party of Korea impeaches Prime Minister Han Deok-soo at the behest of the people. With the infinite sense of responsibility on the night of December 3rd, when I crossed the National Assembly, ready for arrest, detention, and disappearance, I will surely suppress any rebellion and retrograde. Until the moment we dismiss the Yoon Suk Yeol and root out the Ongwi forces and completely suppress the civil war, we will gather our capabilities to fulfill our historical responsibilities. ]

[Anchor]
The power of the people seems to have ended now. Let's connect the on-site screen and listen to the contents.

[Kwon Seongdong / People's Power Floor Leader]
I think the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo is not an impeachment for the country and the people, but for the representative Lee Jae-myung himself. In the meantime, representative Lee Jae-myung has proposed impeachment 29 times to cover up his crimes. It's simply an abuse of legislative power and an abuse of impeachment. On top of that, he also proposed an uncountable independent counsel bill.

The reason why Representative Lee Jae-myung is rushing to impeach the acting president is that he is in such a hurry because he thinks that he can cover his crimes with the president's authority only when he becomes president as soon as possible while public sentiment is divided against the current government due to the declaration of emergency martial law.

The impeachment trial is now underway for the actions caused by the declaration of emergency martial law, and the investigation is underway for criminal legal matters. You just have to trust, trust, and wait for the investigative agency and the Constitutional Court.

Nevertheless, putting pressure on him, intimidating him, getting angry that he doesn't get his way, and proposing an impeachment motion against the acting president is literally an act that moves under his grand strategy to cover up his crimes by winning the president, regardless of people's livelihood, diplomacy, or the economy. I think I will definitely be judged accordingly by the people. I'll take your questions.

And the exchange rate has already risen to 1486 won. As I said at the morning floor meeting, if it exceeds 1,500 won, there will be a major crisis in the Korean economy. All of this is the passing of the impeachment motion against the president, and the Republic of Korea is operating the system. And this happens because the trust that the system is generally working well and stabilizing has been given to foreigners and to other countries, but the impeachment of Acting President Han Deok-soo has completely destroyed that trust. That's why the Democratic Party really wants to withdraw its impeachment motion against the acting president if it's for the sake of the country, people's livelihoods and the people.

And as you can see, there are five articles of impeachment, none of which is in violation of the Constitution or the law. It's all just their one-sided argument. I would like to say once again that the impeachment of the acting president with such an empty reason for impeachment stems from the impatience of representative Lee Jae-myung.

[Reporter]
Are there any issues decided by the party?

[Kwon Seongdong / People's Power Floor Leader]
That part was rejected, and the party's theory was decided. However, if National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik sets the decision quorum by a simple majority for the decision quorum, there is no point in participating in the vote. So, we plan to boycott the vote and protest strongly at that time, and if the quorum of the vote is two-thirds, all of us will attend and participate in the vote.

[Anchor]
It's scheduled for 3 p.m. today. The People's Power held a general meeting of lawmakers today ahead of the vote on the impeachment of acting President Han Deok-soo. Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader of the National Assembly, made a presentation in front of reporters about the results of the general meeting. Whether to vote today was a matter of interest, but if the majority of the terms of the impeachment resolution, as the Democratic Party claims, they will boycott it and two-thirds, if they follow the people's claim, will participate and reject it as a party theory. I've expressed this position. We also delivered the voice of Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party of Korea today, so the logic of the Democratic Party is that Han Deok-soo's refusal to appoint a constitutional judge now is in line with the civil war. So, this means that we must impeach him, said Representative Lee Jae-myung. How did you hear that part?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Representative Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party of Korea seem to have a firm position. At least there are a number of reasons for the impeachment motion. As prime minister, there are illegal and unconstitutional acts, and as an agent, illegal and unconstitutional acts are divided. If you look closely, it's hard to see it as a violation of the constitution. If you think about it one by one. It was during the prime minister's time that he proposed the right to request reconsideration of the independent counsel Chae Sang-byung and Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
If you have a graphic of our reasons for impeachment, it would be nice to show it together.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
However, there seems to be a limit to saying that it is a violation of the Constitution and laws in that part, but what is important now? It's the strongest thing to do because you haven't appointed a Constitutional Court judge. However, since there is a controversy over whether the impeachment of the acting president has a quorum of 150 or 200, wouldn't it be possible to say that if you point out what you think is unconstitutional when you are prime minister, even if it's 151 later?

[Anchor]
There are five reasons for impeachment, but as you can see, the three lines above are the reasons for impeachment as prime minister.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The two below are the reasons for acting as an acting authority. But anyway, the Constitutional Court trial is now delayed because the appointment is not made. They are maintaining the position that the so-called civil war can continue because of the delay. So, if I look at myself one by one, the argument of the people's power seems reasonable, but anyway, the appointment of a Constitutional Court judge to the Constitutional Court, the Supreme Court, and the academic community, is not exactly stated.There are many opinions that there is no problem. Opinions are dominant, but I will put it on hold until the ruling and opposition parties agree on it. There is no agreement between the ruling and opposition parties. I'm sure it doesn't work. He said he would put it on hold on the premise of a ruling-opposition agreement. I didn't say that I wouldn't be appointed.I'm not appointing Ma.

[Anchor]
In fact, it means that he will not appoint him.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
For the Democratic Party, even with any criticism, the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo could face considerable criticism. Nevertheless, Democrats will know. Nevertheless, we will have no choice but to pursue impeachment. The situation itself.

[Anchor]
As you heard, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said, "I lied about the reason for impeachment against acting Han Deok-soo, but in the end, it is not because of his impatience with the early presidential election of Lee Jae-myung."

[Kim Jin]
It's a given. Isn't it natural for Lee Jae-myung to advance the time as early as possible in order to avoid a final judgment on his judicial risk? In my view, it's a natural thing and an emergency martial law incident that provided an excuse for that. It is a big political handshake that has led to this. The problem is that the additional impeachment of Han Deok-soo this time misprovided an excuse for the opposition to pursue the impeachment. I think there is such a responsibility, and the second is that there is a need to rush the impeachment of the prime minister, which nevertheless adds to the national confusion. Prime Minister Han Deok-soo's wrong logic was clearly stated by the secretary-general of the Constitutional Court at the National Assembly. The acting president may appoint a constitutional judge. There is nothing wrong with the appointment. That is the opinion of many constitutional scholars. And the ruling and opposition parties put forward such conditions, but the three people who were already elected according to the law by the National Assembly are the result of the legislature's decision. It is not politically appropriate to hand over the ball to the ruling and opposition parties. However, I think Prime Minister Han Deok-soo made a wrong judgment, but is there a need to push ahead with additional impeachment now without giving more time? For example, isn't the core logic of Chairman Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party that the Constitutional Court's decision on impeachment should be made as soon as possible in order to stop the national chaos now? Then I think we should have waited for the decision of the Constitutional Court. With the current six members, will it be possible to declare impeachment? So if the Constitutional Court says it's possible, why do we have to rush the time for additional impeachment now?

[Anchor]
Then, if it is passed today, the next person who will act as acting is Choi Sang-mok, the Deputy Prime Minister for Economy, and Kim Min-seok, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea, used this expression in the future. I will impeach him. So Han Deok-soo may not be the end, but the top voice may not be the end. Are you saying this?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok becomes the acting chief justice, he will not be appointed as a judge again. Judging from the fact that Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok mentioned earlier, I don't think he will do it. The impeachment of Acting President Han Deok-soo is the impeachment of the entire Cabinet. I told you that the existence of a Cabinet meeting is not worth it. Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok. I don't know if that's the logic. I don't know if I'll appoint it or not. Next is Lee Ju-ho, the Deputy Prime Minister of Education. It's hot. I'm simply going to follow the constitution, according to the law. There will be controversy over whether that is a reason for impeachment. Not appointing a Constitutional Court justice is extremely inappropriate and incomprehensible to me. As acting Prime Minister Han Deok-soo explained, the agreement between the ruling and opposition parties has already been reached, and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said on April 18 that the ruling and opposition parties should reach an agreement on April 22, a month ago. However, it does not make sense to not appoint a constitutional judge now. Nevertheless, isn't acting Han Deok-soo not going to appoint him? If that happens, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok will not appoint him and Lee Ju-ho will not go that far. I think I'm going too far.

[Anchor]
You said you'd be warm today.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok or Deputy Prime Minister Lee Ju-ho may not judge like that. Even to me, this is...

[Anchor]
Is it possible to appoint Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think there is. Because it's logical. for the sake of one's cause No one is against it, but most constitutional scholars tolerate it, and the Constitution did not make it as an authoritative interpretation, but the secretary-general said it could be interpreted as an authoritative interpretation. The person who was appointed as a Supreme Court justice also talked about it. It can actually be considered as an authoritative interpretation. But why don't you appoint this? Besides, it's up to parliamentary elections. It's not up to the presidential appointment. Why with the acting power of veto? You already vetoed it. the acting president Didn't you actively exercise it? This is an active exercise of authority and the president's own exercise, so don't exercise it and reach an agreement between the ruling and opposition parties. What does it have to do with the ruling and opposition parties? It's not logical, but I made that decision anyway. That's why the Democratic Party of Korea goes like that, but anyway, impeach the acting prime minister and the deputy prime minister Choi Sang-mok because he doesn't know what to do. I don't think this is right. This is so confusing that to some extent, the ruling and opposition parties are the same as the power of the people. It is right to appoint a Constitutional Court judge. It's all wrong because of this problem. Let's not talk about this, it's the Democrats' abuse of impeachment. I was also a critic of the Democratic Party of Korea's abuse of impeachment, but now the logic of the people's power to blame the Democratic Party for not appointing a Constitutional Court justice is very poor.

[Anchor]
In terms of the power of the people, but isn't it the Democratic Party that has not appointed three constitutional judges so far? We're talking about this, right?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But I can criticize that. The Democratic Party of Korea can benefit from it, but at that time, we asked for one ruling party, one opposition party, and three opposition parties, but the opposition party said it would take two seats because there were many seats. But now it's not logical to blame it and say it's your responsibility. You can criticize it like that, but you can say why you didn't listen to the ruling party at the time, but now the Democratic Party is responsible for all your wrongdoings. It's a leap of logic. Since the power of the people keeps going like this, I personally think that only a small number of strong supporters have the power to appeal.

[Anchor]
Anyway, if Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok becomes an acting president, he becomes an acting president. At a press conference today, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok announced his position today. Let's hear what you're talking about.

[Choi Sang-mok / Deputy Prime Minister for Economy and Minister of Strategy and Finance: The impeachment of the acting president is no different from the impeachment of the entire cabinet. If the impeachment motion is passed, the continued risk of impeachment will diminish the administration's capacity and eventually eliminate the reason for the existence of members of the State Council. I earnestly appeal to the ruling and opposition politicians. Please reconsider the impeachment of Acting President and Prime Minister Han Deok-soo. We sincerely hope that further political uncertainties that threaten our economy and security will not increase, and we once again appeal to the ruling and opposition parties to cooperate so that the government can focus only on the economy and people's livelihoods.]

[Anchor]
The members of the State Council are out now. If Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok sells business cards, for example, will he have the first title of acting president and deputy prime minister for economy?

[Kim Jin] We're going on a path that hasn't gone
. But shouldn't we accept reality from today? Many point out that there is a need to hurry to impeach, but isn't it that the National Assembly will vote on the impeachment today? Then Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok becomes acting president. Deputy Prime Minister Choi said, "At the time of the emergency martial law cabinet meeting, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo received a report on martial law from Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun an hour before the cabinet meeting, but it is supposed to be proposed through the prime minister. They didn't actively stop martial law. However, Deputy Prime Minister for Economic Affairs Choi Sang-mok was the first to run out of the Cabinet after he expressed the strongest opposition at the Cabinet meeting.

Deputy Prime Minister Choi said, "First of all, people think about the economy a lot and people who are new to the country are also concerned about this. And he expressed his resignation that he would quit as deputy prime minister for economy. I made a public statement with Cabinet meetings today to express my opinion against the impeachment, but it could be a ceremonial procedure ahead of Han Deok-soo's impeachment, and will Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok leave the Constitution and the national confusion by continuing to refuse to appoint three constitutional judges as acting presidents for a second time? I think there is a considerable possibility that Acting President Choi Sang-mok will review and deal with the issue of appointing three members of the Constitutional Court if it starts to work today. Why? Because the Democratic Party of Korea's logic and position are so firm right now, if even Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok refuses to appoint him, he will now become Deputy Prime Minister for Social Affairs Lee Ju-ho, right?

Choi Sang-mok, the deputy prime minister for economy, is very likely to be the type who will not tolerate it in reality. Therefore, there is a high possibility that the confusion surrounding the impeachment case will stop with Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok and acting president. One last thing before that, the Constitutional Court needs to make a decision quickly. Isn't it possible to sentence six people? If the Constitutional Court interprets that a sentence of six people is possible, the dispute between the ruling and opposition parties and the acting president over the appointment of three additional constitutional judges will buy some time.

[Anchor]
So I don't have to appoint them right away?

[Kim Jin]
Right. Because in mid-April, two more people quit as constitutional judges, right? Then I'm frustrated why the Constitutional Court doesn't make a decision quickly because I'm already gaining four months.

[Anchor]
Rep. Park Beom-gye also said this in an interview. Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok is better than acting Han Deok-soo. There is an economic crisis now, and during the Cabinet meeting, he was more active in expressing his opposition during the martial law crisis, so there was also a better aspect.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think there's enough of that. There is no basis for us to judge now. If there is no basis for predicting what the deputy prime minister for economy will do if he becomes acting president, it is the basis. The question of how they acted at the Cabinet meeting is the most important basis. However, in the end, it doesn't mean that Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok was quite more active and relatively active in opposing it. That's how it's known. Then, as I said earlier, he left the Cabinet quickly. In view of this, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok is likely not to be passive about the appointment of judges, at least like acting Han Deok-soo. I don't know that either.

I know only when the acting president confronts me, but even in my opinion, on the premise that I become the acting president, this becomes impeachment again because I don't make an appointment? Wouldn't that be too much of a burden? You're acting as an acting president, but you're extending the confusion again because you don't make an appointment? In my view, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok is highly likely to be appointed if he becomes acting president.

[Anchor]
We can't say clearly what decision Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok will make, but that's the debate at today's vote. 151 or 200. In the case of Representative Joo Jin-woo, even Chairman Woo Won-sik cannot decide on this. He claimed that he didn't have the authority to do that.

[Kim Jin]
National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik decides whether to vote or not, and the final decision is made by the Constitutional Court. If the chairman Woo Won-sik has 151 seats or more, the decision is made. So when the Constitutional Court decides that there is no problem with the Constitution and the law when the impeachment motion is taken to the Constitutional Court, it accepts and begins the impeachment trial process.

But if there is a problem with it, wouldn't the Constitutional Court reject it? Don't you think I should reject it? The impeachment motion itself is dismissed. But even in my judgment, this is also like that. The Constitutional Court needs to make an authoritative interpretation in advance. And why don't the Democratic Party or the people ask the Constitutional Court for an interpretation of the authority in advance? [Anchor] So the Constitutional Court should have cleared the traffic before the vote?

[Kim Jin]
That's right. That is why the Constitutional Court is not actively working to resolve and resolve the nation's confusion. I see it as a dereliction of duty by the Constitutional Court. Many people are just looking at the Constitutional Court's mouth. But in my judgment, I think this argument makes a lot of sense. There is no office called acting president anywhere in the Constitution or law. The prime minister is acting as the president's authority.

Then the prime minister stays the same, and the prime minister moves the body to do a movement called acting authority. The body is exercising. However, the Constitutional Court is likely to accept the decision if the impeachment is decided today, considering that the body is the right object for the impeachment, and that more than 200 seats are needed for the acting president, rather than the argument that the body is the object of the impeachment.

[Anchor]
Anyway, no conclusion has been made about whether it's 151 or 200 now. Chairman Woo Won-sik also said he would make a position before the vote, but he doesn't know what position he will take, but if it is passed by a majority, the people's power will be disposable. Then, until a decision is made on the provisional injunction, is it then two acting persons? You can think of this, too.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But first of all, the speaker of the National Assembly. I don't know what decision I'll make, but if 151 people say it's possible, I don't know if there will be about 190 votes today. Of course, over 150 votes. If so, it will be approved. If you tap the gavel to declare that it has been approved, even if you file an application for provisional injunction in that situation, you will have to say that acting Han Deok-soo's duties will be suspended.

And then if you apply for an injunction and say no, even if you return then, the speaker of the National Assembly has declared a resolution, so these are things we have never done before. Everything is taming for the first time now, but in my view, if the National Assembly speaker decides to declare that it has been approved, his duties will be suspended. It would be difficult to say that Prime Minister Han Deok-soo continues to do his job. in a real situation

[Anchor]
Since I'm not a legal professional, it's hard to figure out how to interpret it, but in the case of lawmaker Joo Jin-woo, he was a legal professional. Personally, I made this argument. So, if the impeachment is passed with less than 200 votes in favor of the quorum, acting Han Deok-soo should serve until the Constitutional Court decides. Representative Joo Jin-woo argued that National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik does not have the primary authority to judge when the interpretation of constitutional provisions is mixed. Isn't there a possibility that the power of the people will continue to be claimed according to that logic?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But that logic is now the same for constitutional scholars. In the end, constitutional scholars and judges make authoritative interpretations based on the Constitution. It's just a matter of where you belong to the organization. National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik is not in a position to make any authoritative interpretation. It's just that when an organization called the National Assembly, a representative organization, passes by a vote of more than 151 people, when you tap the gavel, you have the weight of that action. That's why I think the job will be suspended, and there are logic to say that there are 150 people or 200 people. I personally think 150 seats are right. Because the prime minister is not elected. It's because it's elective power that gives the president an extraordinary two-thirds quorum of impeachment decisions.

[Anchor]
Is the prime minister appointed?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The prime minister is an appointed position. with the consent of the National Assembly Personally, I'm like that.That's not important, but there's logic to everything right now. Although it is not elective power, it is doing the job of elective power in its own way. the acting president Because it depends on logic, Chairman Woo Won-sik is not in a position to make an authoritative interpretation, but since he is the chairman of the National Assembly, declaring the approval will inevitably lead to a suspension of his duties in reality.

[Anchor]
There is a confusing situation where even the acting agent comes out. Let's hear how outside the National Assembly sees this issue.

[Anchor]
In any case, what will happen to the timetable if the early presidential election is held now in relation to all these situations, and the focus is on this part, so what is Lee Jae-myung's plan? What kind of political calculation are you doing by now?

[Kim Jin]
Representative Lee Jae-myung seems to be hoping and pushing for the impeachment decision of the Constitutional Court before the second trial for his election law conviction. And there's a pretty good chance that it will happen. Usually, the first trial of the election law is 6 months, but it's much later. The first trial took a year and months, and if the second trial is kept for three months, the second trial should be sentenced before February next year.

But if the final sentence of the Constitutional Court is delayed after February and then in March. If it is delayed like this, it will be a bit impatient for representative Lee Jae-myung in that regard. The judiciary of Supreme Court Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae advanced the sentence of the second trial. If the court applies a formal three-month deadline and delivers the sentence in February next year, instead of moving it forward. If the conviction, which blocks Lee Jae-myung from running for president, is maintained, then the hard-line forces such as Lee Jae-myung's opposition, those who support Yoon Suk Yeol's president, and the right-wing should quickly sentence him to the Supreme Court. I'm going to put pressure on the tremendous judiciary.

I don't know whether the judiciary will even sentence the Supreme Court or not, but on the contrary, if the first trial ruling is overturned in the second trial and the qualification for presidential election is revived, in fact, Lee Jae-myung will be completely free of judicial risk when it comes to the early presidential election.

[Anchor]
Anyway, according to the current timetable, even if the presidential election is held, even if the early presidential election is held, it is unlikely to be able to make a grand court ruling. If the appeal ruling is maintained with the first trial, will that have an effect?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think it has a big impact. Since the Supreme Court has not ruled, a heavy sentence came out of the Public Official Election Act on November 15. But if it's maintained. Even if there is no Supreme Court ruling, it will have a significant impact. Maybe Democrats say there's no problem at all. There is a principle of presumption of innocence and because the Supreme Court has not ruled. Nevertheless, you have to see something like this.

It's a different story, but the two hostile forces have coexisted. Yoon Suk Yeol vs. Lee Jae-myung, the ruling and opposition parties didn't have many hostile forces like this. The ruling and opposition parties in Korea have always coexisted hostilely with conservatives and progressives.Ma has never seen such hostile symbiosis like President Yoon and Representative Lee Jae-myung. One side is collapsing.

I don't know what's going to happen after that. Later, representative Lee Jae-myung can also be seen as an axis of political and social hostility, not just judicial matters. Pressure can be put on here. You have to think about it together, and you can't just look at judicial issues. m It is a structure in which hostile symbiosis has collapsed. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
In any case, as the possibility of an early presidential election has been discussed, the sleeping dragons of the passport have begun to move these days. Let's watch the related video.

[Anchor]
Passport sleepers are busy these days. I think the schedule has become very busy to show even a little more face to the media. Hong Joon Pyo As Daegu Mayor said, is the market open now?

[Kim Jin]
It's a market. So, contrary to the wishes of President Yoon Suk Yeol and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, it seems that the early presidential election is already a fait accompli. However, if Mayor Oh Se-hoon and former representative Han Dong-hoon, who were in favor of impeachment, run at the same time, it will be advantageous for Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo. Furthermore, many of the members of the People's Power Party, which has influence over the race, are older members of the party in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province, and are responsible members, so many of them opposed impeachment.

Then, if Mayor Oh Se-hoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon fail to take the anti-impeachment vote and become divided, Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo may become a presidential candidate in that respect.Ma, However, in terms of competitiveness in the finals, I am considerably inferior to Mayor Oh Se-hoon or CEO Han Dong-hoon in the Hong Joon Pyo market. If an early presidential election takes place, the biggest key issue will be whether you voted for or against impeachment.

Then, how much vote would the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo, who actively opposed impeachment to ordinary voters, have? So, if Oh Se-hoon or Han Dong-hoon, the former chairman, become presidential candidates after many twists and turns in the primary, they will be better able to ask ordinary voters for votes than the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo because they are pro-impeachment in the general election. That's how I make the judgment.

[Anchor]
As expected, we have to listen to the commentary of Kim Jin. I think the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo would have liked it at first, but at the end, he would have been a little disappointed, but the results of the poll are coming out now, so could you show it again? It's a little different for every institution in
and it's a lot of excitement. But anyway, the most noticeable person when this survey came out is Mayor Oh Se-hoon. There's no big difference right now, but it's ranked first.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Mayor Oh Se-hoon sees moderate expansion. It's a little different from the very strong conservative supporters.

[Anchor]
Do you think it's okay with a card that's going to be in the finals?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think I'm going to lose the Hong Joon Pyo market. If it becomes the ruling party's presidential election structure. If the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo hears it, he will be very disappointed, but I think so. Basically, former representative Han Dong-hoon said he was in favor of impeachment and opposed emergency martial law. The electorate will probably remember it all. And in fact, I think the power of the people is going down a very strange path, but I'm still not advocating emergency martial law, but I still have no apology for it.

He said he apologized on the 30th.E. Party opinions on impeachment are still against it. But Chairman Han Dong-hoon did not do that. To the voters, I'm the same as Kim Jin. What are you going to say and ask for a ticket? Of course, there are people who opposed impeachment as well as Daegu and Gyeongbuk. Nevertheless, there are many universal and common-sense voters out there.

They're watching it. I don't know what will happen, but Oh Se-hoon and Han Dong-hoon are similar. I don't know yet. In any case, Oh Se-hoon and Han Dong-hoon all showed similar views on impeachment to the general public.

[Anchor]
Anyway, among them, it's a three-way race, two-way race. What do you think?

[Choi Chang-ryul]
Oh Se-hoon, Han Dong-hoon, and Hong Joon Pyo are almost the same. It doesn't mean much because it has a margin of error. There is not much difference, but in the end, it will be about the judgment and public sentiment. You have to win the race. So the power of the people will fight a lot with this primary rule. The important thing is that the ruling party and the ruling party should not do that now if they do not want to lose the government again. From what I can tell.

[Anchor]
Anyway, personally, the Hong Joon Pyo card is a must-win.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think so.

[Anchor]
The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo said, "I am the only card that will beat Lee Jae-myung on my own. He's making a point like this. The person who Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo keeps in check the most is former CEO Han Dong-hoon, who used this expression. He strongly criticized the bird that it cannot fly when its wings are bent. What do you think?

[Kim Jin]
That's how wary Han Dong-hoon is of his competitiveness in favor of impeachment. And right now, the Hong Joon Pyo representative's must-fell theory is coming out, and it's quite grounded. First, if a presidential candidate who opposed impeachment has to hold local elections and general elections for the future of the people's power, would it be possible to hold a presidential candidate who opposed impeachment this time? Not only this early presidential election, but also future elections.

And the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo says that he is the only one who can fight with Lee Jae-myung, but if Hong Joon Pyo becomes a presidential candidate, it is highly likely that he will not be able to actively attack Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks.

Because his own judicial risks are also not easy. In the past, when he was the floor leader of the ruling party, didn't he claim that he took a large amount of special activity expenses or that Roh Hoe-chan was embezzling? Sung Wan-jong was acquitted by the Supreme Court of 100 million won in illegal funds, but right after the Supreme Court's acquittal, a tape came out from the broadcasting station that proved it, right?

So, I'm sure the other party has all the data that Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party of Korea can give the two plus-decision shots when Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo becomes the presidential candidate of the People's Power. Then, in the TV debate, he has to defend himself, so can he actively attack representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks equally? There are also quite a few weaknesses in that regard.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea is grateful when the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo comes out.

[Kim Jin]
Thank you. in opposition to impeachment It's less than representative Lee Jae-myung, but it has a formidable judicial risk, so thank you. [Anchor] In the case of former CEO Han Dong-hoon, I heard that he is living somewhere, but I can't confirm the fact. Do you think you can find the timing to come out?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think there is. It is now called the so-called power system of the people, the dual power system. Kwon Sung-dong, Chairman of the Emergency Committee Kwon Young-se. No appointment has been made yet.In this situation, the behavior of the people's power is too far apart from the people's public sentiment. The power of the people was not this strong. However, after this emergency martial law, the mainstream of the people's power was completely separated from the public sentiment by the so-called pro-Yoon forces. Under these circumstances, of course, there will be room for former representative Han Dong-hoon, not right away.I.

[Anchor]
Anyway, since the outcome of the impeachment is not definitive, it seems that the movement of the dragon is inevitably limited. So far, Kim Jin, former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.