與 Some pay more attention to "acting top man" than most politicians.

<Former lawmaker Jeong Ok-im>
- Pay more attention to acting supervisor than most politicians...It's better than the disaster control political circles, opposing martial law declaration, and showing off its economic expertise.Impeachment to the maximum extent is likely to sway the Democratic Party of Korea
- We should not be swayed by the politics of the highest level, the extreme..Constitutional Judge Appoints
- 'eight' Constitutional Court Appears to be a compromise from some in the 與...Then what about April's two-person stand? It's not an alternative.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: December 31, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Former lawmaker Jeong Ok-im and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min

- National power has risen, and Minju's approval rating has fallen."Democratic Party of Korea's 'armband occupation' behavior is hasty"

<Former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min>
- Choi Sang-mok, exercising his conditional veto and appointing a constitutional judge
- 'The impatience of Lee Jae-myung'..Impeachment of the 尹 as soon as possible vs. Bringing up your own trial as long as possible
- Kwon Young-se emergency committee? Except for one or two "Seasoning", I can't take it off...an uninspiring selection

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◆ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, and there is interest in how Acting President Choi Sang-mok will deal with the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act. The veto deadline is tomorrow. There's a Cabinet meeting this afternoon. How do you think this will turn out?

■ Shin Kyung-min: In fact, it would not be wrong to say that today is the deadline. The afternoon Cabinet meeting is at 4 o'clock. The Cabinet meeting will have no choice but to draw a conclusion. I think the general observation will be vetoed right now. However, I think they will exercise their conditional veto. So, I think the ruling and opposition parties will reject it on the condition that they create an independent counsel law that can be agreed upon. What is more interesting than this is the appointment of a constitutional judge, and there was a very suggestive story about the appointment of a constitutional judge in a morning report this morning. The content is that when he was Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok, he went to Acting President Han Deok-soo and told him that it would be better for the Constitutional Court to appoint him. That was probably enough to say that in his capacity as deputy prime minister and deputy prime minister for economy, and the most important thing now is to remove any uncertainty. Since the core of the uncertainty is the recruitment of constitutional judges and the investigation process, I was just saying that I would like the acting president to take some responsibility for this and do it in the direction the people want. I can guess that was the case in the head of Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok, but the question is whether it can be maintained because he became an acting authority. But if you seem to have that thought, I hope there will be some implications at today's Cabinet meeting. I don't know if it'll come out or not.If there is anything suggestive about the opposition party, especially the Democratic Party, then it can lead to a lot of certainty. So there's this conditional rejection plus, a pretty positive implication for the Constitutional Court justice, and a lot of implications that you're heading this way right now.

◇ Choi Soo-young: But in the power of the people, the atmosphere is clear. Perhaps the party's position will not change even if Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, takes office. Then, do you think acting Choi will accept both of the party's demands in this regard anyway?

□ Jeong Ok-im: The alternative that you have mentioned now is the most realistic and reasonable alternative. Acting President Choi Sang-mok is not the acting power of the people. And the power of the people needs to reflect on what they did in the situation where the president's emergency rule is reaching. Of course, I apologized. And what Acting Chief Executive Choi Sang-mok will do in the current situation is to remove uncertainty, and then the economy, so there are many fluctuations in stock prices right now. If you can create one trigger to reactivate this in some way, you've done everything that Choi Sang-mok can do. In that sense, and as long as the presidential system continues, there is a possibility that the president will be impeached at some point in the future. In that case, it is necessary to create a precedent that is not the responsibility of the president appointed by the president, especially in relation to constitutional judges, but in order to eliminate uncertainty by appointing them in terms of maintaining the status quo. I understand that the part that Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok actively proposed to acting Han Deok-soo is also that part. So, it's not about the perception of the president's appointment as deputy prime minister for economy, but at this point, you said that it's a solution for the constitutional judge, and then a conditional special prosecutor for the special prosecution. Some point out that there is an unconstitutional element in relation to Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee. So, some conservative media suggested in an editorial that the power of the people should come up with an amendment. That's how we solve this problem rationally. They are fighting each other as if they are a leader of polarized politics, but the best should not be swayed. I think the role of acting Choi Sang-mok is very big.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, acting representative Kwon Sung-dong and representative Lee Jae-myung will meet in the afternoon presided over by National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik. First of all, it's to discuss how to deal with the Muan Jeju Air disaster. Will there be a breakthrough in the twin independent counsel law and the appointment of judges in the Constitutional Court, and is there a possibility to agree on an eight-judge system?

■ Shin Kyung-min: To break through this, we need to show them some sprouts. It's not easy to meet Woo Won-sik, Kwon Seong-dong, and Lee Jae-myung like this. So, the most problematic thing about meeting like this today is the first justice of the Constitutional Court, followed by the double special prosecution law. You have to talk about this in principle and show the sprouts. In particular, when it comes to constitutional judges, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong says that new judges should not be appointed, and President Yoon Suk Yeol says that the six-member constitution cannot be recognized, this is stuck. If you can't do this and that, all you have to say is that you will neutralize the Constitutional Court's judgment with a six-member system. Then, even when I heard that the power of the people is to help President Yoon Suk Yeol judge the Constitutional Court, I had nothing to say. We need to find a breakthrough. And since the investigative agencies are currently wandering around with each other because of the double special prosecution law, it is very important to launch a special prosecutor as soon as possible to eliminate uncertainty. So, in terms of the Constitutional Court and the investigation, we need to show them at least a little bit here today.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Let me ask you a question. Some people have now recommended three constitutional judges as Plan B. But from the beginning, the ruling party, or the ruling and opposition parties, should be equal, and we recommended three people and fought loudly. Then, since there is controversy, why don't you agree on the ruling and opposition parties one by one and go with the eight-member system for now?

■ Shin Kyung-min: That's a good thing, too. When the Constitutional Court Act was enacted now, the minimum requirement was a seven-member system. So six people are a bit of an abnormal system. So it's possible to choose one of the seven, eight, and nine. So, the law is now scheduled so that the seven-member system can be heard and judged or decided. So, the question of whether we can judge the president with a six-member system is a very fundamental question. In view of the purpose of establishing the Constitutional Court, it is not correct. Of course, we discussed to do this in a six-person system, but it is widely believed that there is one person who opposes this. In this way, it is a very important decision to make more than seven people because there is a possibility of controversy regardless of the judgment or decision made by the six-person system.

◇ Choi Soo-young: So why are you talking about the eight-member system again? There are four people after the two retire on April 18, but the eight-member system can maintain the six-member system, so the Constitutional Court hearing is possible even if it's an eight-member system. Do you think even within the national power can agree on this?

□ Jeong Ok-im: I think that this compromise came from some part of the power of the people. Because each of us can create an eight-person system and then a six-person system in April, we can do another hearing, but it's hard to draw a conclusion then. It's because isn't it that one person is now opposed to whether or not it can be concluded with six people? That's what it means. Then, he said that he is still discussing whether he can reach a conclusion even though the hearing is still possible for the interpretation of the vote as a six-member group. He also did not say that he could not. So each of us is doing some political calculations, but three of us passed, right? So today, we have to wait and see what the representatives of both parties will talk about as the chairman of the National Assembly, but when selecting a constitutional judge, the National Assembly has three people to choose, but now the opposition party has two people. Which one of the two are you going to do in the ruling party?

◇ Choi Soo-young: We have to discuss that again.

□ Jung Ok-im: So this is no joke. That's the situation.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: However, it seems that conservative supporters are gathering as time goes by after the emergency martial law and the impeachment resolution of President Yoon. The public's approval rating is also rebounding. I'm going to ask you what factors are working. First of all, I'll tell you about the Realmeter survey. At the request of the Energy Economy Newspaper, Realmeter surveyed 1,001 voters aged 18 or older nationwide from the 26th to the 27th in a wired and wireless automatic response method. Details can be found on the website of the Realmeter or the Central Public Opinion Review Committee. The content is 30.6% of the people's support for power, up 0.9 percentage points from the previous week, and 45.8% of the Democratic Party, down 4.5 percentage points from the previous week. What factors do you think increase people's support for power?

□ Jeong Ok-im: I think this is. Wasn't the public embarrassed that martial law troops came in as the president declared martial law? However, if you look at the Democratic Party's behavior in the process of handling this, especially the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo, so what Han Deok-soo said was that the two parties should agree on it, but he didn't say he wouldn't pick it. In that situation, the two parties agreed and told me to raise it, so I proposed it that day and impeached it the next day. I think the people in the middle of it are very alert to the behavior of this armband occupying force. Because the people's support for power is 30.6%. I don't think those people who are on the right side of the so-called ideology and are very tightly bound are 30 years old. It is quite serious why this is happening, and the current situation of the civil war in which martial law is declared is suspected, but in this situation, the court's judgment on the Democratic Party's party leader, which is still in progress, and the series of actions to postpone it is not very serious, and the threat of impeaching all the members of the State Council one by one, and of course, three constitutional judges are added, but I think the public opinion that is very alert about some procedural behavior of the Democratic Party worked. This is... It is also very different from the behavior shown by the Democratic Party at the time of the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye. At that time, it was very prudent and reasonable, so politicians in the mainstream of the Democratic Party of Korea are saying that it is wrong to be so hasty because power is in front of them, but this is obviously the occupier's behavior. Isn't it scary?

◇ Choi Soo-young: So, Representative Shin, speaking of after martial law, the Democratic Party of Korea failed to take advantage of this opportunity due to the impatience, aggression, and lack of strategy. There is an analysis of whether this was reflected in the approval rating. Do you agree?

■ Shin Kyung-min: That should be right. Everything has to have a procedure, especially against the people. If politics is like that, you have to persuade it. It takes some time to do that. It doesn't seem right to go quickly like this. Now, representative Lee Jae-myung is trying to impeach the president of Yoon Suk Yeol as soon as possible and trying to drag his trial as much as possible, showing a double behavior. The public knows all these things, and netizens abroad know these things because of the martial law crisis recently. It seems that people around the world who are interested in current events have come to know about the conflict between the ruling and opposition parties in Korea, especially the behavior of Yoon Suk Yeol and Lee Jae-myung. It's about this one. So, such politics is not something that can be decided so quickly. In particular, you have to take a long time to persuade the public. We need time to pause. It's not something that can be done quickly without such a thing. The Democratic Party of Korea has omitted that very much and is suffering from too much impatience.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: But didn't the problem be that if acting Choi Sang-mok exercises his veto like acting Han Deok-soo, the Democratic Party will impeach him again?

■ Shin Kyung-min: That's because there were some things that were a little delayed at the same time.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: Why is it being delayed?

■ Shin Kyung-min: It's related to the current accident. Currently, there are many eyes on Muan and the entire people are expressing their condolences, so the acting chief Choi Sang-mok has already decided that it is not good to go so quickly. We'll wait and see about this.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Lawmaker Chung, didn't this happen as soon as acting Choi took over anyway? You are playing four roles per person, and how do you evaluate Choi's leadership as a control tower to respond to this disaster?

□ Jeong Ok-im: Isn't he doing better than the political world? In my opinion, he declared a disaster zone as soon as possible, and he went down to comfort the bereaved families, find out the truth, and even make it clear that you should compensate for Jeju Air's affection and leave no doubts about the fact-finding. The next reason I pay attention to the figure Choi Sang-mok is that when he declared martial law, the president's administration of the Cabinet was quite sad. In such a situation, martial law is the only thing that does not work. You're one of the two people who warned that economic uncertainty would increase. Cho Tae-yeol at the top of the tree. However, the person named Choi Sang-mok is watching what he will do about the appointment of a constitutional judge as an acting authority, but isn't it a period of mourning until January 4th? And then we have to wait and see how we do it. If the Democratic Party takes extreme measures such as impeachment against Acting President Choi Sang-mok, it is highly likely that the Democratic Party itself will fluctuate. In that sense, I think our people's level is much higher than that of politicians. Next, what is important in the future is the economy. In that sense, acting Choi is professional enough in terms of economy, and in my opinion, the reason why I expect the best of the people rather than most politicians is that, but there is that aspect.

◇ Choi Soo-young: Then let me ask you this very briefly. Although it is the opposition party to Representative Shin, Kwon Young-se, the emergency committee chairman system was launched with the power of the people. By the way, we laid out the emergency committee members in the metropolitan area and then focused on active activities, so do you think the emergency committee of emergency committee chairman Kwon Young-se will cruise and solve the task well in the future?

■ Shin Kyung-min: Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, has been in politics all along in Seoul. Nevertheless, I still can't throw away my Chin Yoon color. You shouldn't do that when you think about your district, but you can see a couple of people with seasoning.Marinated seasoning. It's just a real seasoning, and it's not getting out of Chin-yoon. So, it's a little disappointing that it's organized as a pro-yoon with floor leader Kwon Sung-dong. I feel that the power of the people has chosen a person who is not suitable as the emergency committee chairman. I can't help but evaluate that I've made appointments that can't inspire the people at all.

◆ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, we'll stop here at Kyungok High School. The program shone because you worked hard with Issue & People this year. Former lawmaker Jung Ok-im and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min joined. I'll see you in the new year. Thank you very much.

□ Jung Ok Im, ■ Shin Kyung Min: Yes, thank you.