Cheon Ha-ram, "If you want to destroy suspect Yoon Suk Yeol and Lee Jun-seok, step down."

- 尹 creates a 'civil war' to prevent the arrest of individuals
- 尹, Cho Jung-dong doesn't seem to be watching either.Among political actions after watching far-right YouTube,
- Choi Sang-mok, former economic head coach who made a decision to think about the economy
- 尹, a clear violation of the Constitution.It is expected to be finished before April.

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Broadcast Date: January 2, 2025 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Chun Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party (member of the National Assembly's impeachment)

- If the court resists the procedure as long as the warrant is issued, 'obstructing the execution of public affairs' is established
- 尹, holding out the investigation? There's no legal logic.To rally supporters
- 尹, security agents don't seem to think about life...I don't deserve to be a leader
- I should have made a 與 'Kim Sang-wook emergency committee'...It's against common sense

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.


◆Shin Yul: Shin Yul's News Battle Part 2, which is being sent to you for the first time in 2025. In the face-to-face interview, we will meet Cheon Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party. You're in the studio right now. Please come in.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Hello. Happy New Year.

◆ Shin Yul: Happy New Year. But if you look at Hannam-dong now, there is no choice but to guess that there is a possibility of arrest today, isn't it because of forced dissolution? That's what I think.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, I have to do it today. What are the crimes of the residents living near the residence in that area right now?

◆ Shin Yul: I didn't know where that was. So it's the place where I sometimes walk in front of it.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It's very difficult for someone I know to actually commute to and from work. It's originally a four-lane road, but all of them are blocked except for one lane, so besides the inconvenience of the residents.

◆Shin Yul: That's the way you make a U-turn and go up the Namsan Ring Road.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: That's right. And it's not good to give a signal that if you protest in that way and exercise your power like this, you can continue to crush the arrest warrant. So I don't think there's a need for this to be too long, and it seems like I've actually posted some execution today, so I'm going to need to wrap it up. It's shown like this.

◆Shin Yul: But what about President Yoon yesterday when he said he would fight until the end? I think he sent it to YouTube through this letter in print, not handwriting.

◇Cheonharam: I'm watching YouTube live.

◆ Shin Yul: Let me ask you one after another. I'll fight until the end. How do you watch this?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It's so pathetic. These days, a lot of people use the expression, "It's salty." Young people? If you really try to cause such a pro-Wi coup, you have to do it with the determination to die. However, a person who was elected president of a country without such a proper determination uses only such shallow things by twisting his body because he doesn't want to be arrested without such a proper determination. Has there ever been such an ugly leader in the history of Korea? I feel really bad. If you can afford to turn things like that, tell them to buy you Super Chat. It's not worth the money. What am I doing? And to be a little serious, beyond civil war or incitement, that's civil war incitement. It means to cause a civil war among the people. Isn't that what you're saying? I'm asking you to resist against the public power of the Republic of Korea, but I'm only going to push the people into a state of rebellion and civil war to prevent the arrest of an individual Yoon Suk Yeol. This is really the enemy of the state. I think so.

◆ Shin Yul: For your information, I've studied politics for over 40 years, so I'm just telling you this, but the pro-Wi coup d'état is... It has a characteristic. It is characterized by a person in power who achieves his or her purpose by mobilizing his or her armed public power to strengthen his or her power or extend his or her strengthened power. Chinwi kuteta is... This so-called force is smaller than the other coup d'état. Because you have power, there's no reason to mobilize a lot of troops. That's why there are many cases where it's twisted while doing it with a small medical history. But because you have power, even if you fail, it's not that good. What you can think of in this way is a pro-Wi coup, but that's what CEO Cheon Ha-ram said now. But the second question is, I'm watching YouTube. I saw it yesterday, too. I'm watching it live on YouTube. But personally, I think he's actually the president of a country and he's still in the present. And for people like this, I felt a bit sad that I should watch or listen to the terrestrial broadcast news.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: In the past, when political parties affiliated with the people's power were in a bad condition, journalists and conservative supporters said that a lot. Let's get together. Look at Jo Joong-dong. So even if you do what Cho Jung-dong tells you to do, it doesn't go like this. But watching the very extreme YouTube on the far right side, I said that I can only get 20% of the people's support because I'm really doing political activities, but the person who shows it as the most destructive is actually Yoon Suk Yeol. So, from the beginning of his administration, his love for YouTube was very different. I can tell you now, but I've even told a YouTuber that the president and Mrs. Kim Gun-hee call out YouTubers and give them a golden salary. If it's not true, I heard that.The reason why Ma did this is because a little back, I thought it was conservative YouTube that made them president. Even before announcing her participation in politics, the idea that it was possible because Kim Gun-hee actively managed and made conservative YouTubers on her side was embedded in the root of the sudden emergence of her without conservative roots. Then, as his approval rating fell sharply, he became more dependent on President Yoon Suk Yeol than using YouTube. Because YouTube is the only thing that gives comfort and talks to you that you're good. Since then, conservative YouTubers have said that when they meet me or publicly. The president sleeps with his YouTube on. I can't sleep well, but YouTube praises the president and says he's good, so I'm going to listen to that.

◆ Shin Yul: I'm a little calm.

◇Harram: Yes, it's a little strange, but even when you drink, you turn it on and watch your own YouTube and sleep. I started talking about this. At that time, people wondered if this was just an exaggeration and it was their business, but the fact is that they kept falling into the world, they kept falling into it, they relied on it, and they completely believed in the fraudulent election conspiracy theory themselves.

◆ Shin Yul: So in the end, it's called the sleep-inducing video ASMR. YouTube played that role?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: That's right. YouTube, which compliments itself, played that role.

◆ Shin-ryul: What's more, this is such a critical situation, and in a very crisis situation, the president needs a very broad perspective. You have to make an objective judgment so that you can make your own rational actions. I saw that yesterday. Before the news came out, he posted it in a group chat room. So when I saw this, I was surprised because there was a story about YouTube. You're still talking about YouTube. That's why I asked. And another thing, CEO Cheon Ha-ram is now a legal professional, so what do you think about the appointment of Acting President Choi Sang-mok as a constitutional judge?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Still, I think he made a decision to avoid the worst and think about the Korean economy as a former economic coach. It's actually not a good precedent to appoint only two people when you have to appoint three people. Chairman Woo Won-sik also unveiled today, but since there was a practical agreement between the two parties and it was carried out through consultation, the right to appoint the president, which is the power to stamp only, should not be made into any practical non-governmental right. So, in this case, the Constitution requires the Supreme Court to recommend three people, followed by the National Assembly, and there are three presidents. Then, it has the effect of changing the constitution in which the president has the right to appoint the remaining six people, not the president. Therefore, I think it is very inappropriate and unconstitutional for Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok not to appoint one person, but if he did not appoint one this time, the opposition parties may have pushed for the impeachment of Acting President Choi Sang-mok. But if we do that, our economy and diplomacy really go down. So I actually didn't feel good about myself and when our New Reform Party members impeached Prime Minister Han Deok-soo. I can't help it because I don't appoint a constitutional judge, but this has a really negative impact on the economy. So for Acting President Choi Sang-mok, who put the brakes on repeated impeachment that really has the worst impact on the exchange rate and stock price, it was a meaningful still effort. Lee Chang-yong, governor of the Bank of Korea, also talks about the evaluation. People are suddenly attacking the top of their lungs, so the ruling party and the State Council members. If you think about the economy now, think about it and talk about it. What the hell are you talking about? You did a great job with your family, and I agree with that 200%.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes. I don't know if it's because of the impact, but the KOSPI index and the exchange rate rose a little bit today.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: The exchange rate has stabilized quite a bit, though.

◆ Shin Yul: It's stabilized. It was around 4,650 won.

◇Cheonharam: It's 1,460 won. If it's 4,650 won, our country will be ruined.

◆ Shin Yul: Thank you. Anyway, since acting chief Choi Sang-mok does that, all senior secretaries including chief Chung Jin-suk will resign from the presidential office. How do you watch this? But I think I'm working again now.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: So I think these people are now losing their minds as a group. I think I'm in group hypnosis again. Even in the presidential office, there is nothing for people to do right now. Since the Ministry of Economy and Finance directly assists the acting president Choi Sang-mok, there are many situations like that, and as Chung Jin-suk and acting president Choi Sang-mok collide, the presidential office is not cooperating well. That's why I'm watching YouTube because the president's office has nothing to do. So, watching those far-right YouTubers, they follow the logic and fall into group hypnosis. We can overturn this by 5 to 3 voting and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol can come back. I keep turning that circuit of hope. So, I am resisting the appointment of Acting Constitutional Judge Choi Sang-mok like this. Because their original plan is to crush as much as possible in the six-member system, and if only one or two people oppose it, they will not sentence or dismiss it, and then Moon Hyung-bae and Lee Mi-sun will retire in April. Wouldn't it be something if we held on until then, wouldn't we be able to come back? Now, they're living in that delusion, and Choi Sang-mok kind of destroyed their expectations a lot. As a result, I can only evaluate it that way, rather than being in a strange hallucination state as a group.

◆ Shin Yul: I'm telling you that it's a guess to only watch YouTube, but anyway, it's a 6-person system and an 8-person system, so I'm curious about this. The two of you will retire on April 18th. So you think we'll reach a conclusion before then?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: You have to come to a conclusion before that.

◆ Shin Yul: Originally. Even if those two don't quit their jobs?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It took about three months for the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye last time, and this issue is a much clearer violation of the Constitution than President Park Geun Hye and its seriousness is recognized, so we don't think it should be until April. And since Moon Hyung-bae, acting chief justice of the Constitutional Court, is acting as the presiding judge, he will try to finish it before he leaves office. Originally, it should end before then, and in a sense, I think it's a good sign for the Korean economy. April 18th can work as a Maginot Line. Because the acting chief will think that he should take responsibility and finish it, and if the two retire, he will be a constitutional judge again.

◆Fastness: There are six more,

◇Hallam: That's right. The Constitutional Court is going to try to finish it beforehand because there are also very complicated things about how to recruit additionally to six people.

◆ Shin-ryul: Then, assuming that the next quote will be cited, there will be an early presidential election in about June, right?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: I hope it will be sooner, but I think it will be June at the latest.

◆ Shin Yul: Rep. Lee Joon-seok is running, right?

◇HARAM: Yes, probably.

◆ Shinryul: Did you say March is your birthday?

◇Cheonharam: My birthday is at the end of March.

◆ Shin Yul: My birthday is at the end of March.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: So, whether the president's power is completely deprived or impeached, he will be able to run after the end of January. But lawmaker Lee Joon-seok keeps saying it himself because he seems like a politician to count the days in the current situation. So what if it happens before then?

◆ Shin Yul: You can't do it.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It's something I can't do, and lawmaker Lee Joon-seok also wants to step down quickly because he can't go out now. I think that's why Rep. Lee Joon-seok was originally quite at the top of Yoon Suk Yeol's most hated list for a while. It's almost the first place.

◆ Shin Yul: After leaving the party, a little.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It came down a little bit. Because Han Dong-hoon came up and came up like this, so if the presidential Yoon Suk Yeol is listening to this, I think I will remain if I still hate Lee Jun-seok. Then step down before Jan. 31, either to destroy Lee or to prevent him from running. Then Lee Joon-seok can't go to the presidential election. I don't know what Rep. Lee Joon-seok will think if he hears this broadcast, but I want to provoke the Yoon Suk Yeol suspect. Please step down quickly to destroy Lee Joon-seok.

◆ Shin-ryul: But the possibility of doing it now doesn't seem high because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is raising the issue one by one while doing the arrest warrant. But since you used to be a lawyer, criminal law. But actually, I think I've never seen this before. While issuing warrants, courts make exceptions to the application of Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Law. Isn't this a very rare case?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: It's a rare case, but there are not many cases of resistance and fierce resistance to seizure and search warrants before that. And it is difficult to talk about existing precedents, and it is the first time that an arrest warrant is issued for a sitting president. Why is it your first time? This is because it is the first time to punish a sitting president for rebellion.

◆ Shin Yul: Not even in that foreign country?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: I don't have one. But I'm talking about this and that here, but Articles 110 and 111 are like that. These are the types of articles that allow the seizure and search to be prevented for reasons of official and military secrets, but there are much more opinions that the arrest warrant does not apply to this article in the first place. Because it applies to search and seizure. But there's a fight. So, as for the judge in question, there is a conflict of opinion on this matter.

◆ Shin Yul: So what kind of disagreement is it?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: So, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and the security agency are asking if Articles 110 and 111 apply because they have to enter the space even if it's an arrest warrant, and what are you talking about on the other side? It's not that we're going to search the documents, it's that we're going to go and bring only people out. This is why Articles 110 and 111 are applied, but the judge cannot prevent the arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol for official and military secrets because this does not apply to Articles 110 and 111. I made it clear that there is no stopping this issue only.

◆ Shin Yul: That's why you expressed it like this.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: That's right. Because even if Articles 110 and 111 do not apply here, there is no invalidation of any criminal procedure law. It is the judge's judgment that he will not apply to this issue.

◆ Shin Yul: Can a judge do that?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Because then, with the application of Articles 110 and 111, there may be problems with the execution of arrest warrants, so you can say that you will clear up the possibility of such disputes in advance.

◆ Credit: President Yoon Suk Yeol claims that this is illegal. It's not just this, but why did you apply for a warrant when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit doesn't have the authority?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: So there's a lot of interviews with a lot of lawyers about that saying, "This is all nonsense."If I tell you briefly, why isn't Ma in the center, but in the west? The western part is under the jurisdiction of Yongsan. Of course, you can do it because it's a jurisdiction. Why does the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit direct the police to execute the warrant like this? You can ask for police cooperation, not command, and it's obstruction of justice that actually resists legitimately issued warrants. Then the police can arrest or investigate for obstruction of the execution of the relevant public affairs. With that in mind, of course, you can go and prepare in advance. And why do you exclude the application of Articles 110 and 111 to the warrant? I said this earlier, and what else is there? This is why the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit issued a warrant. The police are the only ones who can investigate rebellion in a prestigious manner. What's written in the law. But the police don't have the right to claim a warrant. Then how do we investigate? with the cooperation of the prosecution or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit from the police

◆ Shin Yul: That's why they say it's a request.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: That's right. Through that, we are asking for a warrant together. Then, if there was no problem with this, and there was a problem, you should have raised it with the court and the court should have decided to dismiss it.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. The court acknowledged it.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Of course. Let's say it's like that. An arrest warrant has been issued for CEO Lee Jae-myung, so I won't be arrested while nitpicking something weird. Would President Yoon Suk Yeol have snorted at that if he did that? So now that the warrant has been issued by the court, the judgment on this particularly procedural part of the legal issue has been made, and resisting it is a hindrance to the execution of public affairs.

◆ Shin-ryul: And one more thing is that the President of Yoon Suk Yeol continues to take issue with something, but now the so-called Airborne Division says that it is illegal to get support from the task force. In other words, if the task force were to execute the warrant on behalf of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it could arrest anyone. I think this is the logic. How do you see it?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: That's ridiculous. Because the execution of the warrant itself will be done by the prosecutors and investigators of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. But what the police are doing is some proper restraint of acts that interfere with the execution of the warrant and investigation of it. It's going to be separated. To put it simply, the police will reveal those who interfere with the execution of the warrant, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will do it by presenting the warrant in front of the Yoon Suk Yeol, announcing the Miranda principle, and arresting them. All the police have to do is cooperate with that. Then in the past, no, I want to ask you something. When the Yoon Suk Yeol himself inspects it. You've never had police cooperation? There must have been countless times. That's right. However, when he was prosecuting, all the police were cooperated, so the prosecution's investigators and prosecutors would present the final warrant and actually execute the execution. It's the same as that. So, I'm just saying things that are nonsense that legal professionals can say are nonsense that is not worth a moment.

◆ Shin Yul: What's wrong with that? So why do you keep saying that?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: You're watching well on YouTube. It is to incite those who say to protect the forces that destroy our Republic of Korea.

◆ Shin-ryul: So this is something that only his active supporters think about.

◇천: It's to rally active supporters and to give them some cause and some motivation to fight, and it just doesn't mean any legal logic or anything in real life.

◆ Shin Yul: So does he know he'll be arrested?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: I think this is the same situation as when I'm in emergency. I would have thought that the emergency martial law would be successful from the Yoon Suk Yeol's point of view. I think that would have been the case. Because they're all corrupt in the National Assembly, and I'm a little big, and I have a few big people.It's a job to bring out hundreds of soldiers. There's a gun, too.

◆ Shin Yul: It mobilized about 700 people.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: I would have thought of doing it quickly, and don't worry about Kim Yong-hyun and others at all. We'll do everything, so we'll register for both the National Assembly and the NEC. I think so. But if you look at it now, don't worry about the high-ranking officials in the security service. We will protect you at all costs. No one here, whether it's the police or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I'm going to be like this. But if that's the case, the real working-level and working-level security staff who have to face the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be worried.

◆ Credit: That's the obstruction of the execution of special public affairs.

◇Cheonharam: That's right. Blocking legally received warrants interferes with the execution of special officials, and if you receive a sentence of probation or more, you will lose your civil service status.

◆ Credit: The pension goes away. The most important thing is that I'm a quasi-public servant, so I know that, but pensions are the most important.

◇Cheonharam: That's right. And because of that, even during the emergency, the leadership said it was possible, but our frontline soldiers who were dispatched judged that this would be illegal or unconstitutional. So I'm hoping that our civil servants at the security service, who have a strong future, will make such an appropriate judgment again this time, and to some extent, I'm expecting it to be like that.

◆ Shin-ryul: But what's a bit unfortunate is that the leader of any organization, the leader of a huge national organization called the Republic of Korea, and even so, but in fact, you have to show yourself throwing yourself for someone under his command. That's the basics, but unfortunately, it's a little hard to see that from President Yoon Suk Yeol. That's a pity.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: So now, don't existing presidents, even former presidents, actually be guarded? They were treated with respect and protected, but when the warrant came out and at the end of the day, they put down all the security and volunteered to attend or comply with the warrant execution. As I said, I had a certain responsibility as a leader because these front-line security practitioners, who are really devoted their youth to protecting me, should not get hurt because of me, so I shouldn't end my career as a public servant or become a criminal. But this time, only himself knows the person who is a Yoon Suk Yeol. For me, I have to make the soldiers who are good ahead into the execution of the rebellion anyway, and I don't want to bend my pride, so I don't want to say sorry to the opposition party, so I rather do emergency martial arts. No matter what happens to the soldiers down there, and this time, to protect one of me, the security guards down there have to protect me regardless of whether my life is ruined or not. He is consistent with such an irresponsible attitude that he is not qualified as a leader at all.

◆ Shin-ryul: Then, isn't there a high possibility that some kind of attitude like that will eventually be reflected in the impeachment hearing process at the Constitutional Court?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, that's right. In fact, watching the Yoon Suk Yeol's emergency martial law or rebellion this time, many people think that the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye was a very weak act compared to this. And compared to what Yoon Suk Yeol is doing now, President Park Geun Hye is more willing to cooperate with the investigation.

◆ Credit: It was quite compliant with the system.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: And while refraining from causing further chaos in the country as much as possible.

◆Credits: That's what a leader looks like.

◇Cheonharam: I went there. However, the Constitutional Court should have cooperated more actively with the investigation process and judicial proceedings against President Park Geun Hye. There has been a suggestion that those that did not seem to have a weak will to protect the constitution. So, in light of that theory, what the Yoon Suk Yeol suspect is doing now is a really enormous act of constitutional destruction after the fact, and I think it will have a negative impact on both. First, of course, it increases the possibility of citing impeachment. It seems that there is no will to protect the Constitution, and secondly, in the Constitutional Court, I can't help but think that I should make a decision quickly to minimize social confusion. We've been confronting each other.

◆ Shin Yul: And we're going to confront each other in Hannam-dong and one side in front of the city hall is Yeouido.

◇Cheon Ha-ram: On top of that, he asked me to sign it in his own handwriting and give him a letter to fight harder. So the Constitutional Court will make a stronger judgment on the promptness of not leaving this as it is, so in the end, everything the Yoon Suk Yeol is doing right now is shooting itself in the foot, and I don't know what kind of mental state it is, but I'm falling into it, delusional or whatever, and eventually putting myself on the path to death.

◆ Shin Yul: But how do you think President Yoon and the current National Power Emergency Committee are doing well?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: I don't really understand that. During President Park Geun Hye, Mayor Hong Joon Pyo said, "Let's keep the Yoon Suk Yeol for now. Why is Choi Sang-mok appointed as a justice of the Constitutional Court?" He kept protecting the Yoon Suk Yeol. In fact, it was much more serious compared to President Park Geun Hye. Back then, I thought it was Chunhyang, but I thought it was Hyangdan. Was it the Saenuri Party that has a whole body of people's power? At that time? Saenuri lawmakers actually broke up. But I don't think it's like that this time. I think it's a mist. So this is just my guess.Ma, isn't there something in the cabinet at this point?

◆ Shin Yul: Which president's office?

◇Cheon Ha-ram: Aren't these people really doing something impeccable in the cabinet of the president's office, regardless of whether it was unfair intervention in the nomination process under the Yoon Suk Yeol administration or just a classic allegation of corruption with some business community? Without that, how can it be possible to form an emergency committee with the pro-Yoon leadership again when it has come to this point? In common sense, there should be a Ahn Cheol Soo emergency committee. If it's not the Yoo Seung Min emergency committee or if we want to go really fresh, it's Kim Sang-wook's emergency committee. Oh, we have nothing to do with the civil war, we'll cut off, and instead, we'll take a new path to fight Lee Jae-myung with clean water. This is everyone's common sense, but I think there is a reason why it cannot be explained to the people that they are doing something that goes against common sense.

◆Shin Yul: Time flew so fast today. That was a valuable word. Thank you. So far, I have been the floor leader of the New Reform Party, Cheon Ha-ram.