Kim Jae-won said, "尹 letter may be counter-attacked that there is no will to protect the Constitution."

[YTN radio news fighting]

□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: January 3, 2025 (Fri)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Cast member: Kim Jae-won, Supreme Council member of the People's Power

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◆ PD Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): Yes, we usually have to listen to politics lightly but very sharply with this person's unique warm way of speaking, but it's a little heavy right now. Things that we haven't experienced in history are happening. This is because there are many different opinions on this. Kim Jae-won, former member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power, came to the news war. Please come in.

◇ Kim Jae-won, former member of the National Power Supreme Council (hereinafter referred to as Kim Jae-won): Hello.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: I mean, with Corden, we actually say hello in a fun way, and our listeners like that kind of atmosphere, but it's heavy. First of all, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit left the Gwacheon Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building at 6:14 and has now arrived at the Hannam-dong official residence. It's known as executing arrest warrants, and I don't know because the press screens are visible from a distance, but there's been a lot of talk about arrest warrants now.I'll ask you later, and I think you have something to say about that situation happening.

◇ Kim Jae-won: First of all, investigators from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went with a lot of police forces to request an arrest warrant. There are only a small number of people who can actually execute arrest warrants at the scene. Most of the rest of the police personnel are on the scene to maintain order. But I think it will be almost difficult to execute today. Because this is a situation where there are a number of presidential security laws that enforce arrest warrants in the security area of the security service, while there are a lot of security and supporters are intertwined, so I think it's going to be almost impossible to enforce in that case. In the past, when politicians executed, in the case of former lawmaker Han Hwa-gap, there were cases in which supporters could not execute even if they were surrounded by only 200 people, and in some cases, former lawmaker Lee In-jae had fierce resistance, such as lighting a gas can at that time. Other than that, in fact, there was no such incident. There may be objections such as "What if we leave the thing that prevents us from executing such a warrant as a state power?" However, the execution of the warrant is a part of the exercise of the state's public power, but there is also a problem when an incident occurs. So, in the current situation, I think that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will probably try to execute and back down to build a justification, and I think that's right. Most of the police forces mobilized to execute the warrant are police officers under the jurisdiction of the National Police Agency's security bureau, while the police officers from the 101st and 102nd divisions of the National Police Agency, who are now guarding the outskirts of the presidential residence. So I don't think it's right for police officers to bump into each other just because they have different duties. In addition, the 33 police military police guarding the outskirts of the official residence are former military police officers. It's soldiers under the Capital Defense Command, and by comparison, there are only a small number of actual presidential close security guards. That's why it's wrong for each of the institutions in this country to cause it to run into each other just because they're doing their part. So, of course, I'm going to make a lot of efforts to execute arrest warrants, but I think it's right to step back and negotiate and seek cooperation on this issue until we get cooperation between the agencies.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Well, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be for building a justification today. You even gave us this prospect. We will continue to tell you the situation in real-time on YTN and YTN radio and tell you about it. Some say that they can be punished for obstructing the execution of public affairs, and Rep. Jang Kyung-tae of the Democratic Party of Korea is a personal opinion, but he is on our program and claims that all criminals are hidden. As you've been concerned about this, we're talking about conflicts between state agencies.
◇ Kim Jae-won: Not only that, but there is also a problem of legal action stipulated in the criminal law. Each of us is doing his or her part as a reason for rejecting illegality, so what kind of criminal concealment should we say that?

◆ Kim Woo-sung: For example, those in charge of security or security work according to the legal basis, but it cannot be illegal.

◇ [Kim Jae-won] That's right. That's why you can't talk about it that way, and in particular, a judge in charge of warrants excludes Article 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act. It's said that the record was made with any exceptions and the record was left in the warrant arrest warrant, but the law doesn't apply that way just because the judge writes it like that. The law was enacted by the legislative branch of the National Assembly, the legislator, and the judge applies the law, and the application of the law can then be judged when the case to which the law is applied is allocated according to the principle of independence, but it is not possible to stipulate that this law applies in advance. So the judge actually talked more about the execution of the arrest warrant by making this arbitrary rule, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went to the Western District Court to get a warrant, not in their jurisdiction under the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Act.

◇ Kim Jae-won: I think all of this has added to the problem by causing this expediency and various controversies in the execution of this important current president's arrest and seizure. So, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should be strictly and strictly neutral in the process of exercising the state's public power, and in a way that many people can understand. I think it's actually very wrong to do this while hearing this kind of warrant shopping.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, I think we should ask this from the opposite point of view. It is just a natural conclusion, as the explanations and grounds for the claim that arrest is justified are Articles 110 and 111, which stipulate places and objects. In other words, it sparked controversy earlier over whether the president wrote it because he had to pass through various objects and places in order to reach the president.

◇ [Kim Jae-won] Why do you write that down so unnecessarily? Then, can't the law be enforced if you write it down and the law can't be enforced if you don't write it down? This creates a strange misunderstanding and partial controversy, which is still judged by the head of the security office in charge of the search warrant, and if there is any illegality in the judgment and conduct, it will then become a criminal case and be investigated. How can a judge make these regulations in advance? It's just that it's the fault.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: These are the parts that you just said because the judge explained that it doesn't work just because it's written. Let me ask you one more question about Articles 110 and 111. President Yoon Suk Yeol expressed that the president himself is a military secret, but he may be right logically, but Articles 110 and 111 of this Criminal Code stipulate objects and places.
◇ Kim Jae-won: I don't think everything the lawyers of President Yoon Suk Yeol say is legally correct. As a Yoon Suk Yeol, from the perspective of the president's lawyer, it can be argued that way, and from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it can be argued that way. However, I'm saying that at least the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an investigative agency that investigates this case fairly and should not engage in such biased controversy from the standpoint of executing state public power. And even in Chu-ho's little suspicion, it should be explained reasonably, but there are so many stories that can't be explained right now. That's why I think it's a problem.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. I said that this is invalid, but you agree with the position that the arrest warrant itself is a little invalid.

◇ Kim Jae-won: I don't think the arrest warrant itself is invalid. Because the arrest warrant itself is a warrant issued by the court with jurisdiction over the investigative agency, I do not claim that it is invalid. However, the more problematic is why the arrest warrant was issued in such a serious case, which could cause such controversy, and even more so, the judge made such a rule that could be questioned about fairness. So, no matter how much of this legitimate warrant is received, in terms of its contents and its jurisdiction and everything, it's very problematic, so if it's executed recklessly, it's likely to cause more controversy.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] It was a point about a number of procedural issues. The letter signed by President Yoon Suk Yeol to the protesters was released, which was a bit of a stir. I'm watching it live on YouTube. Thank you. Let's fight together until the end. How did you interpret it?

◇ Kim Jae-won: I think it was something like a thank you for the many people who helped and supported him from the perspective of President Yoon Suk Yeol. I understand for 10 minutes, but on the other hand, I think this may be counter-attacked that there is no will to protect the law and order of the impeachment trial process.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: This is the National Assembly's impeachment panel. The delegation decided to submit this letter to the Constitutional Court for an impeachment hearing. There are many reports now that what you said was actually interpreted as a similar case under former President Park Geun Hye.

◇ Kim Jae-won: It's a factor in the impeachment process, and it doesn't determine everything. Furthermore, from the president's point of view, I think it was a kind of expression of encouragement and appreciation to those who are helping themselves and those who are suffering from this severe cold, but I think there is no room for this to be seen in that aspect again.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, in the midst of this, one of the reasons why we say this is the first time in history is that the deputy prime minister for economy is acting as president. After appointing two constitutional judges, the presidential office's staff has expressed their resignation and is gradually being settled. What do you think about the background of this?

◇ Kim Jae-won: There have been various reports, and I've also been looking at the media reports on what kind of thoughts acting Choi Sang-mok made that decision. But I think it's basically the wrong decision. Because Choi Sang-mok is the acting president, acting prime minister, deputy prime minister for economy, and minister of finance. So I'm acting as the prime minister. However, the prime minister has just decided not to appoint a constitutional judge as acting president. I think if the Prime Minister criticizes the decision not to appoint a constitutional judge, there could be a lot of controversy on that point. However, from the standpoint of acting as the prime minister, the prime minister decided not to appoint a constitutional judge as acting president and was impeached by announcing it, and I have many questions about him whether it is possible for the acting prime minister, Choi Sang-mok, to make a different decision immediately. If the prime minister does not make such a decision and is impeached for another reason and acts as an acting president for the first time, he can probably make this decision again. But it wasn't that long ago. Furthermore, in the case of the so-called dual independent counsel law, it was necessary to decide whether to veto it or not at a Cabinet meeting on Dec. 31. However, there was some deadline to decide whether to appoint a constitutional judge. Then you should at least consult with the members of the State Council and the chief secretaries of the president's office who helped you. If you make an appointment in various positions, for example, you should explain it and ask for understanding, and at least listen to them even if everyone opposes it. This is because Acting President Choi Sang-mok came to the National Assembly and criticized President Yoon Suk Yeol in a strong tone. If he strongly opposed the declaration of emergency martial law, President Yoon Suk Yeol at least asked. You didn't even ask.

◆ Kim Woosung: Yes

◇ Kim Jae-won: What can you do in the future if you act as an acting president like this? And furthermore, if he or she is impeached, how will he or she handle the financial crisis? If I am impeached, Deputy Prime Minister of Education Lee Ju-ho will have to act as the acting president, so how can he be in charge of it? I think that's a really absurd argument, too. Then, is the vice minister of the Ministry of Economy and Finance who will act on behalf of him just a scarecrow? That's why that kind of logic is wrong. Basically, I don't want to talk about this decision itself, and I'm an acting president who is a little difficult to have democratic legitimacy. Then, I think it is necessary to consult with various members of the State Council and listen to the opinions of the presidential chief of staff and senior secretaries who assist. If you continue like this, like this. There is a possibility that it will be a little difficult for the acting authority to perform its duties.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: By the way, the Minister of Environment and the Governor of the Bank of Korea fired some support. Look at the economic situation now.

◇ Kim Jae-won: They're all people with similar ideas. But you always talked about political judgment when you talked about really important things. Political judgment is also very important, and at this time of the year, all the Korean people are divided into two and in this conflict, is it possible to say that it is dogmatic alone? I don't think that's really going to work.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] This is a more acute problem because many more difficult situations are being repeated. The trial of Lee Jae-myung, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea, will also begin on the 23rd. In the first trial, he was sentenced to lose his parliamentary seat and it has been more than two months. What do you think of this trial?

◇ Kim Jae-won: The same should be done quickly. CEO Lee Jae-myung should stop such various attempts to delay the trial and make the trial proceed smoothly, but from what I hear, he has not appointed a private lawyer yet. After a while, I think he will proceed with the trial as a public defender, and when the lawyer comes in, he will insist that the deadline be postponed because the trial record has not been reviewed, and try to bring the trial back in this way. Likewise, Representative Lee Jae-myung, please do not try to take this trial as if you are attacking President Yoon Suk Yeol now, but seek legal evaluation. And of course, he'll be sentenced to nullification of the election.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: And now, Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo and former CEO Han Dong-hoon, let me just ask you about Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo. He said, "Disciplinary and expulsion the lawmakers who voted for impeachment," but he is also showing great interest in early presidential elections. There are people who say that this doesn't add up or not, and those who argue that it is a little conservative reform, such as Rep. Kim Sang-wook, criticized it sharply. He even criticized the dictatorship. What do you think?

◇ Kim Jae-won: I don't think Representative Kim Sang-wook is in the right place to step in. And if our party has an early presidential election, I think we will have to hold the presidential election in a very unfavorable situation. At this time, our party should mobilize all available resources, but it is not time to discuss this and that. So, not only Hong Joon Pyo Mayor Oh Se-hoon, Busan Mayor Park Hyung-joon, Chungnam Governor Kim Tae-hoon, all of those who are heads of regional organizations, should come forward for the presidential election and re-elect our party's great talents and send them to the presidential election. In many ways, they may think it's a difficult election and try not to come out, but I think we should mobilize all the talents who have been active in our party until now, even if we forcefully requisition if it doesn't work. In that sense, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is more active, so I think it's a good choice because it's one of them.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min came to our studio yesterday, and if this continues, the party's expression will shrink to a extreme if expressed in a lump like this, but he also used the expression "Yeongnam Liberal Democratic Union."

◇ Kim Jae-won: He's been saying that for a long time. Well, not all of what he claimed was always done. So, the purpose of a political party is to gather all the thoughts of these various people and the hearts of the people to make it a platform policy and gain power with the support of the people. In fact, there are various people in Korea, and among them, the party representing the conservative camp is the power of our people, and I think it is better to work together so that the power of the people can gather the opinions of those many people. I don't think it's helpful in this situation to keep pointing fingers.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: When I asked what the specific alternative would be, the power of the people now needs to be expanded in the middle to win again and have power. So, it should be a national political party, and in order to embrace all the young people in their 30s in the metropolitan area, shouldn't it be more expansive than the previous stance?

◇ Kim Jae-won: I've been doing that continuously. Our party has continued to proceed in the direction that Representative Yoo Seung Min says, and our party has made great efforts to do so, and it has been transformed into a party that is supported much more by moderate forces and supported much more by young people than in 2019 and 2020 when Representative Yoo Seung Min was in the party leadership.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, it's changed as you said. Finally, the Hannam-dong official residence continues to clash, and as you mentioned earlier, how should we resolve today's situation? It's like a message from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit,

◇ Kim Jae-won: The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, of course, has the intention of various investigations, and there is a sense of mission that they are now defending the order of national law for investigation. What is very important, however, is that the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should be the fairest, most objective, and transparent, but since the request for an arrest warrant this time, whether the investigation right has the right to investigate the crime of rebellion has caused various controversies. Please don't make such a controversy during the execution of this warrant alone, but do your job really fairly and be especially careful not to cause this physical conflict.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: So far, Kim Jae-won was the former Supreme Council member.