[Politics ON] Controversy over withdrawal of "crime of rebellion" and confusion of arrest warrant...What's Jung Kook's direction?

■ Host: anchor Lee Harin
■ Appearance: Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Politics begins to look at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, we will be joined by Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, and Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea. Welcome, two of you. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which failed to arrest the president only once, stirred up confusion on its own on Wednesday, when it said it would leave all the execution of arrest warrants to the police. Both the ruling and opposition parties are expressing criticism toward the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Orders for the role of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit looked different. I'll watch the video.

[Anchor]
We just broke the news. Oh Dong-woon, head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, attended a question on pending issues at the National Assembly and said he was sorry for undermining the rule of law. There are concerns that the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be narrowed.

[Kim Sung-tae]
In a word, the organization of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself is the state of the judicial system that should not be conceived. Why are you so critical of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? Until the process of establishing such a judicial system based on the new Constitution of the Republic of Korea is established, the current judicial system has been completed by supplementing many legal deficiencies one by one. It was not created by a political agreement between the ruling and opposition parties, but it was just a one-sided argument of the Democratic Party, that is, an organization created by burning the fast track and forcing it to do so. So look at it from the beginning. 12. 3 Who can deny the substantive facts that even all the world knows about emergency martial law itself?

The Constitutional Court investigates the crime of rebellion against the president of a country and impeaches the act of unconstitutional governance. Even if this is a completely legal procedure, it can cause great confusion after the judgment, but from the beginning, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an organization that has no authority to investigate rebellion under the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Act. Nevertheless, on the basis of the fact that some cases overlap with each other, you can get a transfer, and just hand over the investigation rights that the prosecution is doing in good condition, and hand over to the police. Get your hands off of me, too. That's not how it started. In this regard, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should also be held responsible for the current confusion, and I think it is not too late now. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be removed as soon as possible, and the police can only investigate the crime of rebellion.

[Anchor]
What floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said is the same as what lawmaker Kim Sung-tae said, but now the Democratic Party of Korea is still criticizing the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, saying it is disappointing, but it should be given another chance. It's an order to arrest him.

[Woo Sangho]
You're talking about things that are not true. It's true that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is confused. However, with the current investigative personnel and execution capabilities, how can you fight with 200 security personnel? With 10 prosecutors and 20 to 30 investigative staff, how can we suppress 200 martial arts elite security staff? So, the essence of the problem is that the security agency is torn apart, but the root is that the president of a country did not respond to the summons and hid in it with the security agency staff at the forefront, so he did not come out. It is destroying the rule of law in Korea, so it is right to criticize this first and then question whether or not it has the ability to execute the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. First of all, we should criticize the president and the security agencies that are hiding without responding to the investigation. Then, how will we execute a court-issued warrant? I think it is right to encourage investigative agencies to cooperate with this. Even when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was launched, I kept insisting.How can we properly investigate high-ranking government officials with that manpower? The targets of this investigation are high-ranking public officials at the level of prosecutors and vice ministers.

Since the prosecution has not investigated these people properly and continues to cover them, isn't it because a separate agency that only investigates high-ranking officials is needed? Therefore, I rather need to reinforce the manpower of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit through this experience. Let's make it possible to investigate properly. That's what I think. If we get rid of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at this time, high-ranking officials, prosecutors, it's exciting. There's no one to investigate them. So it's not a problem for me to go like that. Oh my god, in this situation where the president is holding out to avoid investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, should we give more power to investigative agencies investigating high-ranking officials to continue to blame them?

[Anchor]
You pointed out that the beginning of the criticism should be President Yoon who does not respond to the investigation, but there were also harsh criticisms within the Democratic Party. Rep. Park Ji-won said, "I'm out of my mind, and there are even stories about the abolition of the organization."

[Woo Sangho]
Now you're putting pressure on me, but if the Democratic Party takes the lead in creating it and the Democratic Party abolishes it, will the people see it right away? No matter how excited you are, shouldn't I be executing an arrest warrant first so that President Yoon Suk Yeol can be investigated properly? So it's a step of putting pressure on you to do well in that execution, and I'm looking at it like this. Relations with investigative agencies such as the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and various legal issues seem to need to be discussed calmly at the National Assembly at the end of the investigation into President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, said, "We played the recording, but even after spending more than 80 billion won, we indicted only five cases," and pointed out whether the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was a job or a hobby.

[Kim Sung-tae]
That's right. Woo Sang-ho, the current floor leader, is a person who knows better than anyone else about the process of making the Corruption Investigations Unit Act. Then, the prosecution or the police cannot investigate high-ranking government officials, so they have to inject enormous national funds and taxpayers' money into this separate organization. In the past five years, I've spent 80 billion won, so I've spent about 17.5 billion won a year. It's just by looking at the investigation results. Then, as now, we are investigating the issue of this civil war arising from the December 3 emergency martial law. In the meantime, President Lee Myung Bak, President Park Geun Hye, and President Roh Moo Hyun, where did you investigate all of them? The prosecution has accumulated its experience and capabilities in the investigation. Then don't think about solving this problem with cooperation and you'll all get out of the investigation. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, who partes this in the investigation of abuse of authority. That's why I received an arrest warrant, but the security service strongly protested in the process of executing the arrest warrant, so the police tried to respond actively, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was not excluded because of the physical strength and the fact that no mishap should occur. Just by looking at that, this Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an organization that is willing to execute a warrant properly. It's because I don't have any experience.

Then, the security service would react like that, and I didn't know there would be such a backlash because it was perceived as nave? Is that what you're going to say to the people? So, they started with a desire to establish a national organization called the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at this time, without the ability or ability to take responsibility for the investigation of this rebellion from the beginning. This was too much from the beginning.

[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is being criticized by both the ruling and opposition parties, but if we talk about floor leader Kwon a little more, he said he would buy things with counterfeit bills, and he said it was an illegal fake warrant. In the end, it seems that there is no right to investigate the crime of rebellion. Some criticized that the controversy over the investigation rights and scope of the investigation gave President Yoon an excuse to endure.

[Woo Sangho]
What the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is seeing now is basically reinterpreted by the court, right? Even though I reinterpreted it, I don't accept it and continue to instigate it. I think this is intended to incite far-right supporters who support Yoon Suk Yeol's president, such as the Taegeukgi Unit, to increasingly drive the country into chaos.
So if you look closely, the actions and remarks of President Yoon Suk Yeol and some members of the People's Power are not contested with legal interpretation. He's inciting his supporters. It's going wrong with what this is, so we have to stop it, so we're making it come out on the street. You can argue until the court dismisses the appeal. This is wrong, I will be interpreted by the court. But didn't you reject it after receiving an objection? If the court dismissed those three issues because there was no basis.

[Anchor]
The court seemed to interpret the objection itself as not appropriate.

[Woo Sangho]
So, as a result, isn't the final authority in the court to interpret these laws? You can personally show off or argue with your legal knowledge. But if the judge eventually decided to do this, we should follow him. That's democracy and the rule of law. However, the court has already ruled, so this warrant is legal and should be executed, but if representative Kwon Sung-dong, who was a prosecutor, also claims that there is a problem with this, does that mean that the judge will not even accept the court ruling? Then, where should Korea keep order from now on? So I think people who majored in law can argue with an interpretation of the law, but I have to accept it when the court makes a final decision. But now, regardless of that, they continue to incite the people and their supporters through political arguments, which is a big problem.

[Anchor]
You've heard the current questions of the Legislative Judicial Committee. On the 3rd, questions continued about why the president could not be arrested. Director of Airborne Oh Dong-woon said that if a second arrest warrant is issued, he will think it is the last one and prepare thoroughly. Do you have any special measures?

[Kim Sung-tae]
I don't trust that horse either. However, even from the standpoint of the power of the people now, the unconditional 12.3 emergency martial law itself is not denied. If the Constitutional Court's current investigation into the president's rebellion or the impeachment prosecution at the National Assembly lacks procedural legitimacy and a problem arises, the controversy can become confusing later and acceptance can go to disobedience. Then the country itself becomes dangerous. In that respect, such investigations and constitutional trials, which should be carried out strictly without any errors or setbacks by the Constitution and laws, are causing enormous controversy. So, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is talking like that, but he gave the police the task of executing the arrest warrant yesterday and withdrew it within a few hours. The police said it was legally illegal. So we cannot accept it. So they'll do it again. After doing that, the time is past midnight yesterday. The Central District Court is the jurisdiction of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to issue such a fair court warrant. However, the public perception that the Central District Court continues such an unfair investigation into the warrant request of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, even though there was no act that they could not trust. If this isn't confusion, what is it? So even from now on, I will help the police investigate the rebellion, which is stipulated in the constitution by law, no matter how much they created the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, from the perspective of the Democratic Party, if many problems are revealed in this serious situation, they should help the police do it now. Do it right now in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If you don't listen correctly this time, you're impeached, too. It's not the right politics to put this kind of bluff on this situation.

[Anchor]
Rep. Kim raised the issue of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit's right to investigate the rebellion, and Director of Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Oh Dong-woon said in a pending question that there is no problem now. The conflict between the ruling and opposition parties is also intensifying over the deletion of the Constitutional Court's rebellion and the fact that it will not be judged on the crime of rebellion under the criminal law. Let's listen to the voices of the ruling and opposition lawmakers.

In the end, many people know the opposition party, which wants the constitutional trial to take place quickly, and the ruling party, which wants to slow down a little. However, it is true that the Democratic Party of Korea wants to be quick. However, it is not because of Lee Jae-myung. This is the argument, right?

[Woo Sangho]
That's right. Rather, it's because of the delay tactics of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Isn't President Yoon Suk Yeol trying to postpone the Constitutional Court's impeachment trial as much as possible? It's a delay tactic. Then, isn't the country more confused? The longer the impeachment trial is delayed, the more the people are on the streets, inciting them to confront the pro-impeachment side and the anti-impeachment side. President Yoon Suk Yeol's strategy now seems to be. Then the country gets really confused. It's also very dangerous for the economy. Therefore, in the judgment that we should deliberate as compressed as possible and issue an impeachment trial, the statement of rebellion itself was revised in a way that responds to the delay tactics of President Yoon Suk Yeol.

And this method was already done by Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader of the Park Geun Hye presidential impeachment trial following the impeachment of the National Assembly in 2016 and 2017, consulting with the secretary of our party's judiciary committee. I compressed it to 7 out of 13 charges. I don't know if the person who did it then keeps saying that nonsense. So basically all of these issues were adjusted because the low resistance and delay tactics held by the President of Yoon Suk Yeol could prolong the national chaos, so a quick trial was needed. Then the impeachment trial can proceed much faster. You just have to make an impeachment trial, so what's the point of putting this and that in there? The purpose of the impeachment trial is not punishment, but to get impeachment decisions quickly, you can see it like this.

[Anchor]
In the case of the impeachment trial, it is not the concept of AND, but the concept of OR, which requires only one condition, I think you are saying that there is an act of emergency martial law and a charge of rebellion under the criminal law, and the Democratic Party of Korea argues that the Constitutional Court should judge whether the act of declaring emergency martial law violates the Constitution. In response to this claim that he would not be accused of rebellion under the criminal law, Joo Jin-woo, a member of the People's Power, said, "Didn't you have a prior communication with the Constitutional Court?" In today's pending question.

[Kim Sung-tae]
I pointed it out earlier.Ma did it twice in the process of preparation to prepare for the hearing at the Constitutional Court, didn't he? In the process, the Democratic Party of Korea, which is currently helping Chung Cheong-rae, chairman of the impeachment committee, so the lawyer, so the Constitutional Court recommended it. So, they answered that they would accept the recommendations of the Constitutional Court on the part of removing the crime of rebellion and go to the impeachment trial in the future. It's already on the data screen.

In that respect, the violation of the criminal law is... What the Democratic Party is saying now is that criminal violations should be criminal trials, and constitutional violations should be judged by the Constitutional Court. So, Woo Sang-ho, the representative of the Democratic Party, said about the result a little while ago, but the conclusion is that the Democratic Party of Korea is demanding that the Constitutional Court be closed quickly and the impeachment trial be completed. However, now, after the impeachment is filed in the National Assembly, the period of impeachment trial is set at 6 months under the Constitutional Act. The Constitutional Court has to do all the procedures and justification in it. That's why there's no national confusion after the Constitutional Court's judgment. The December 3 emergency martial law is clearly a criminal law problem that President Yoon Suk Yeol should be punished for an act of rebellion. In a nutshell, the prosecution or the police will investigate, so it takes a long time here. Reflecting this, it means that we should not wait for the Constitutional Court's judgment, so let's take a fast path. However, from the perspective of many voters and the public, the public view is that it is the tyranny of the Democratic Party of Korea's legislative power, which does not do anything to overcome the judicial risks of representative Lee Jae-myung. That's why the Democratic Party of Korea should no longer do political acts that pressure the Constitutional Court. Eliminating this rebellion is obviously a huge mess for the people, why is the Democratic Party now talking about something else?

[Anchor]
I see. On the other hand, the Democratic Party filed a complaint against Acting President Choi Sang-mok as usual. There were also criticisms from the People's Power that they are starting the impeachment hostage crisis, and we will hear the voices of former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min following Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok who held a press conference on the charges.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea filed a complaint against Choi, but the charges are dereliction of duty. You mean you're not going to impeach?

[Woo Sangho]
That's right. If he was going to impeach, he would have filed an impeachment motion. But the accusation is not normal, considering the various confusion and economic effects that can cause if the acting president Choi Sang-mok is impeached, and this person is just seeing the resistance of the security service. So first of all, as the acting president, he has the command authority of the security service, so at least he's putting some pressure on the security service to prevent the execution of the warrant by using physical force. So, just because you actually file a complaint doesn't mean you're going to investigate right now. At least in front of the public, it can be considered that the acting president Choi Sang-mok raised the question of whether he would just watch it become such a lawless place. Former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min is trying to impeach him right now and threatening him? Pressure is much more accurate than intimidation.

[Anchor]
He said he saw the madness of the Democratic Party.

[Woo Sangho]
Some people are a little excited about that, but I don't think you have to worry too much because the leadership has organized it in the line of accusations without going to impeachment as a whole. However, I have this concern. Isn't it too natural to see the enforcement of the law blocked by physical force like this? Isn't this really abnormal? So I go to my residence today, at least among the people's power members, and I see 30 or 40 members block it, and the members of the so-called law-making parliament, who should be the best advocates of the rule of law, join in preventing law enforcement? Can I really do these things? So, it is possible as a member of the National Assembly to question the appropriateness of law enforcement procedures, but it is very wrong to go and stand in front of the official residence with such an attitude to prevent law enforcement. I'm really worried about where Korea is going now. As there is such confusion, we must cooperate together so that the procedures and law enforcement set by the law can proceed strictly.

[Anchor]
He analyzed that the accusation is not impeachment, but that it is a pressure call, but acting Choi Sang-mok said today that only the evaluation of the people and history should be feared. In fact, there was also an analysis that the fact that acting Choi Sang-mok was not involved in the execution of arrest warrants was based on the Corruption Investigations Unit Act, which emphasizes independence.

[Kim Sung-tae]
That's right. From the standpoint of acting Choi Sang-mok, he is currently in charge of politics, economy, security, and diplomacy, but he is moving quickly with the most focus in mind right now because he is worried that the problem of the economic crisis will lead to the financial crisis. If we can't quickly solve the economic crisis problem, which has been on fire as an economic expert, the national credit rating and credibility will fall and national uncertainty will increase, which is why Korea's value itself, the current exchange rate, is a problem. As such, from the Democratic Party's point of view, it is the first party in the National Assembly.

With huge legislative power, this national confusion, the vacuum in state administration, in this way. They held the incumbent acting president responsible for the opposition of the security service in the process of executing the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol because they did not like the acting president again. It's already said that they're going to impeach us. Everyone came out, but Park Ji-won said, "You shouldn't do that." Isn't there even a story like that? Who is Rep. Kim Min-seok under Lee Jae-myung's current system? I'm a senior member of the Supreme Council. That political act of the chief commissioner accusing the acting president is, in short, your impeachment next, so if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit requests a warrant again this time and gets it, completely neutralize the security service. Otherwise, this threat to your impeachment. Let's see if the one party can overcome and deal with the current crisis through these political actions.

[Anchor]
I see. I'll cut down on Jungkook's news today. So far, I have been with Chung, Kim Sung-tae, the former floor leader of the People's Power, and Woo Sang-ho, the former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you both.