"Yoon's arrest is discouraged. You're going to get sick"."The inside of the police department is bubbling."

■ Host: anchor Lee Ha-rin, anchor Jeong Jin-hyung
■ Starring: Baek Jong-gyu, social affairs reporter, lawyer Lim Joo-hye

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[Anchor]
The Ministry of National Defense has said it will not mobilize military troops sent to the security office to block the arrest of President Yoon.

There is also an interpretation that there is a division within the presidential security service.

Regarding this, today, we will take a closer look with Baek Jong-gyu, a reporter from the Ministry of Social Affairs, and lawyer Lim Joo-hye. Welcome.

{President Yoon's presumed figure has been a hot topic since yesterday as a media camera captured him, and we will first explain it while looking at the screen. Shall we analyze how the screen was taken and whether the president is right?

[Reporter]
It looks like it was filmed at around 12:50 p.m. yesterday. If you look at the screen, you can see a figure believed to be President of Yoon Suk Yeol looking around the residence with his bodyguards.

[Anchor]
Do you have any clues that can be identified as the president?

[Reporter]
Although the face is not accurately identified, some say that his steps and gestures are similar to those of President Yoon Suk Yeol. If President Yoon is correct, he seems to have come forward to create a more solid fortress ahead of the execution of the second arrest warrant. It seems to be a move and intention to never respond to the execution of arrest warrants by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police. It is also pointed out that the move is aimed at dispelling the rumor of escape. However, lawyers for President Yoon Suk Yeol say it is difficult to confirm whether the person on the screen is President Yoon Suk Yeol himself. The president's office has filed a complaint with the media that filmed the screen and said it expresses strong regret. However, if the people's right to know is guaranteed in a situation where rumors of escape have been raised, punishment may be difficult even if a complaint is filed.

[Anchor] Attorney
must have seen this video, but if you look at it, you can see a person believed to be President Yoon Suk Yeol instructing something, and you can also see a hand gesture. How did you like it?

[Lim Joo-hye]
It has not been confirmed that the person on that screen is the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. In fact, it will be difficult to confirm in the future, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol is right, there may be room for him to intentionally expose himself at the time when there is talk that there is no president Yoon Suk Yeol who can be called a fugitive in the media. Even if that's not the case, since a lot of manpower has been mobilized for themselves or for themselves, let's do something about it in the future rather than instructing them to do something. I think it can be seen as this kind of support, but at the moment, it seems very cautious to guess for what purpose and for what purpose it appeared like this.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, when this screen was released, President Yoon's lawyers held a press conference. I said that the rumor of escape is ridiculous, and there was a foreign press meeting today. Rumors of a flight from a foreign press conference are nonsense. The president is in his official residence right now, right?

[Reporter]
Yoon Gap-geun, a lawyer representing Yoon Suk Yeol's president, dismissed the rumor of President Yoon's escape at a press conference yesterday. At the same time, he said he met in person at his official residence on the evening of the 7th. I also held a foreign press conference today, where I reiterated that I am at President Yoon's residence. At the same time, he added that there was no doubt. People who suspect that they are not in the official residence and raise the theory of escape are trying to create a specific purpose, a conspiracy, he stressed. At the same time, he also emphasized that no matter how political and specific a purpose, there should be a degree. When reporters asked about President Yoon's recent status, he also said he was seemingly healthy.

[Anchor]
According to our reporter Bae Min-hyuk's report earlier, the security in front of the official residence is getting stronger. So, ahead of the second arrest, the guard of the official residence is strengthening compared to the first, but there is a car wall at the entrance of the official residence. Then, barbed wire came out yesterday, and there was a saying that even chains appeared. Is there any summary of what kind of internal personnel and equipment are there now?

[Reporter]
We can only check the things shown on the screen, so we can't check the exact contents. However, the security around the official residence is increasingly tight, which seems to be certain. And there are several police task force buses around the entrance to the official residence. It blocks the view of the official residence from the outside. About three large buses are placed horizontally inside the iron gate heading to the official residence. There is also a car wall on the inside of the street. As you said, a circular barbed wire fence was installed in front of the official residence. Some of the doors were blocked from entering and leaving even chains. Some say that they are trying to fortify it in a hurry ahead of the execution of the second arrest warrant. Since there is a possibility that the police will mobilize criminal task forces or special vehicles during the execution of the second arrest warrant, it can be seen that they are strengthening their posture in preparation for this.

[Anchor]
The security posture seems to be strengthening like this, and in the meantime, the inside of the security office is bubbling up. Let's hear what it's about first.

[Yoon Gun-young / Rep. of Democratic Party of Korea (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): It's bubbling under the surface. So there's a lot of complaints about this nonsense and behavior that we're doing right now about some of the leaders. Isn't that why they're crazy? That's how they say it. In private. (Really?) But it's too much to express or talk about it collectively. Because the leadership is either the Kim Yong-hyun line or the Kim Gun-hee line, the MZ generation's bodyguards are angry. In fact, when the military entered the National Assembly on December 3rd, it also resisted passively. The soldiers. I think many of the bodyguards will do the same. (temperature above and below) It's completely different. ]

[Anchor]
Lawyer, you just listened to it, so this is what it's about. From our perspective, the security service seems to be determined in general, but the temperature difference between the command and the personnel under the command is clear. How did you like it?

[Lim Joo-hye]
If we say the temperature difference here, there is a difference in how firmly we will prevent the execution of President Yoon Suk Yeol's arrest warrant, I think we can interpret it like this, but it is a possible story. If you want to do something in any group, the willingness or performance at that level of what you see as a leadership, and the position of the employees who actually have to do it, can be different. Even legally, we express ourselves as doctors in our hearts, but there will be no way for others to confirm what kind of heart I actually have. As this is such an important matter, there are many speculative stories. There is no way for us to confirm the feelings of young employees in the security service, but there are various claims, and it seems possible for each individual to raise a normal question about whether we should prevent the execution of an arrest warrant even if we have an armed conflict. In fact, I think these parts can get bigger as time goes on. In particular, from the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which is putting all its life and death on the second execution, if we stop the execution by force or by other means, we will immediately proceed with the arrest as a current offender, that is, obstruction of special public affairs, and the possibility of issuing an arrest warrant in advance for these key personnel seems to be a situation where such internal agitation may increase.

[Anchor]
You came after hearing an interview with Representative Yoon Gun-young that MZ bodyguards are bubbling, but now the head of the bodyguard and the deputy head of the bodyguard have been asked to summon for the third time. What is the situation inside now?

[Reporter]
Police are continuing their pressure on security officials. Chief of Security Park Jong-joon has been asked to summon the police twice, but all of them have refused. The police have requested a third attendance by tomorrow morning. Kim Sung-hoon, deputy head of the security service, also did not respond to the summons twice until yesterday. Likewise, the police made a third request for attendance the day after tomorrow. Lee Kwang-woo, the head of the security headquarters, and Lee Jin-ha, the head of the security and safety headquarters, have also been asked to attend the second round by the police, but the security agency is sticking to its position to perform its security duties in accordance with laws and principles. It seems unlikely that they will comply with their attendance requirements. That's why the police are expected to apply for arrest warrants against security officials.

[Anchor]
If an arrest warrant is filed, the internal ranks could collapse, can we see it like this?

[Reporter]
Once the command that gives instructions from the security service is arrested, the agitation will likely intensify. Prior to the execution of the second warrant, the headquarters of the Joint Investigation Headquarters may first arrest the command of the Security Service, which was booked on charges of obstructing the execution of the arrest warrant of President Yoon Suk Yeol. If they do not continue to attend, the police are reportedly considering arresting the command of the security service first and then arresting President Yoon. If Director Park and Deputy Director Kim, who notified them of their third attendance by the 10th and 11th, respectively, do not appear, they apply for an arrest warrant and execute them. In this case, there are voices saying that it is possible to execute an arrest warrant for President Yoon on the weekend, taking advantage of the absence of the security chief.

[Anchor]
When the first arrest attempt was made on the 3rd, it was controversial that military troops were reportedly mobilized to stop the arrest, but the Ministry of National Defense said that it is impossible to mobilize troops in the arrest attempt this time.

[Reporter]
Acting Defense Minister Kim Sun-ho told the security service on the 3rd that it is not appropriate to send military troops to block the execution of warrants by the Airborne Service. At the same time, the head of the 55th Guard Corps of the Capital Defense Command also instructed that there should be no physical conflict with the police. The Ministry of National Defense said that the security service answered with the intention of knowing the story well. It is an example that even if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit attempts to arrest President Yoon again, 55 Guard Corps troops will not be deployed to prevent it. Earlier on the 3rd, when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit attempted to arrest President Yoon for the first time, about 30 military personnel, including 55 guard soldiers, were reportedly present at the first cordon in front of the presidential residence. It was also known that he was mobilized as a human chain with about 50 security officials. Since then, it has been reported that the military has also been used in the third cordon. The Ministry of National Defense believes that it is inappropriate to mobilize to block the arrest of President Yoon because the 55th Guard is a unit that supports the security of the president's residence and the main duty is to guard the outer areas.

[Anchor]
So, when the Ministry of National Defense attempts to arrest him, it is impossible to mobilize troops, so if some of the units are removed like this in the second round, will the security office also adjust its manpower? What's going to happen?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. If you look at the Ministry of National Defense, it's not appropriate for this manpower to be mobilized to block the arrest warrant because it's not the kind of job that prevents the arrest warrant, but of course, it's the job to guard the wall inside the Hannam-dong official residence. If so, as you said, there is still controversy over whether or not the soldiers were mobilized at the time of the first execution, but anyway, if this part of the manpower is mobilized, the security personnel will be strengthened, or even if there is no reinforcement of the manpower, it seems that a lot of the cordon has already been established. However, the Ministry of National Defense also clearly drew the line that the 55th Guard's job is to guard the wall inside the Hannam-dong residence, and it is not their job to block the execution of arrest warrants. That's why I don't think they're going to be mobilized.

[Anchor]
On the other hand, it is said that the police have started to identify those who interfered with the execution of the warrant on the 3rd, but they are putting pressure on them in advance ahead of the execution of the second arrest warrant, should I look at it like this?

[Reporter]
That's right. On the 3rd, at the presidential residence in Hannam-dong, he sent an official letter to the security office to request the identification of 26 people who interfered with the execution of the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol. The police took the evidence. We are checking the identity by analyzing the evidence data. The decision will be made on whether or not to be booked by comprehensively considering the degree of participation in illegal activities at that time and whether or not to participate in illegal activities in the future. It seems that additional identification will be confirmed according to the results of the reading of the evidence data. It seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are weighing the timing of the execution of the second arrest warrant and putting pressure on the security service in advance.

[Anchor]
If so, when will the second arrest warrant be executed? There is probably a lot of interest in this part right now, but it could be the weekend. There are various theories that it could be night or dawn. Is there anything that has been covered so far?

[Reporter]
In fact, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are continuing to discuss and talk about the timing and execution method of execution. So far, it's hard to predict. It's been a week since the first execution attempt was made. And it is predicted that the second execution will not take a long time, but if the preparation period is prolonged, the presidential security service to fortify the presidential residence is likely to intensify. In addition, with most of the military and police command involved in the emergency martial law already arrested and prosecuted, the investigation of President Yoon cannot be delayed. Some observers say that they are more likely to choose weekdays than weekends when crowds of people gather. The timing is as early as tomorrow or on the 13th or Monday.

If you continue to refuse to attend, such as the chief of security, there is a possibility of arresting and obtaining an arrest warrant, and as mentioned earlier, the possibility of arresting President Yoon Suk Yeol after shaking the command system of the security service first is also mentioned. If the second arrest warrant is not successful, the third execution will not be practically possible. As the validity period of the warrant is observed to be a week or more, it can take more time to prepare. However, the execution of the warrant depends on the decision of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police command. The timing selection is still a fluid situation. Some are raising the possibility of surprise execution at night on weekdays.

[Anchor]
I can't predict when and how it will be executed, but various scenarios are coming out. A criminal mobile unit will be deployed and tow trucks and armored vehicles will be mobilized to remove the car wall, barbed wire, and all of them. There are predictions like this, too. There's also talk about police commandos. What is the situation now?

[Reporter]
First of all, it seems certain that the manpower will increase significantly compared to the first execution. It is expected that a large number of personnel with mobility and hands-on experience, such as criminal mobilization, will be deployed. Woo Jong-soo, head of the National Investigation Headquarters, is said to have met with lawmakers of the People's Power today and said they are not considering mobilizing special forces, armored vehicles, or helicopters. Instead, there is a high possibility that a criminal mobilization team will be deployed. The Criminal Task Force, which was revived last year for the first time in 18 years, consists of detectives from the strong teams of the metropolitan and provincial police agencies. I think there will be about 1,300 people in total. The police seem to have decided that it is right to put detectives first to block noise, as it is an attempt to arrest them in the context of an investigation into rebellion. There's a security bus. Car walls. There is also a plan to put heavy equipment such as cranes to pull out the car wall. The police are expected to focus on drilling through the main gate of the official residence rather than barbed wire fences with additional fences. First of all, the special forces continue to tell the media, saying they are considering every possible way.

[Anchor]
Please also point out the police commando part. There was a lot of talk about this. I think there's a negative opinion, what is it about?

[Reporter]
Many people say that it is not easy to deploy police commandos in reality. The SWAT team is in charge of counterterrorism. That's why it can cause not only physical collisions, but actually legal issues. This is because securing recruits is important, but the process by proper procedures is also important. Police commandos are counterterrorism commandos that are tasked with the safety of the people at the forefront of the national counterterrorism system. Its mission is to suppress terrorism related to the Republic of Korea or its people, search for explosives in terrorist incidents, and prevent and deter terrorist incidents. Its mission is to suppress force and enforce laws against special serious crimes such as shootings and hostage situations. However, the task of the commando is not compatible with the execution of the arrest warrant, so even within the police, they are skeptical about the deployment. As a result, it seems unlikely that armored vehicles, which are equipment possessed by commandos, will enter the official residence.

[Anchor]
Lawyer Yoon Gap-geun mentioned the right to refuse to make a statement. Let's listen to the recording first and continue with the interview.

[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon's legal representative (Yesterday): In other political cases investigated in the past, there are countless cases in which no actual arrest warrant has been executed. I'm sure you all remember. And in many cases, the investigation of suspects was meaningless because famous politicians exercised their right to refuse to make statements while being investigated. So, if you have to prosecute or conduct an investigation, file a preliminary arrest warrant with the Central District Court, and the basic position is that you will comply with the procedure. ]

[Anchor]
Explaining the reason why he is not responding to the arrest warrant, he will use the right to remain silent anyway, and if he uses the right to remain silent, isn't it something like this?

[Lim Joo-hye]
It's called the right to refuse to make a statement, but the right to refuse to make a statement is actually a valid right in terms of being guaranteed the right to defend. In fact, former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun also refused to make a statement as he was investigated during the investigation process or after his arrest. But if you look at the current situation, you've been charged under arrest. Therefore, using the right to refuse to make a statement does not mean that the investigation cannot be conducted. You can take other reinforcing evidence, other statements, and ask the other way around in the way of investigating whether you will continue to exercise your right to refuse to make statements despite this.

And it's not always advantageous to exercise the right to refuse to make a statement. President Yoon Suk Yeol says that he can use the right to refuse to make a statement once or twice right now, and even if there is nothing inappropriate about it, what is important is that he must actively prove that he is wronged, that the declaration of emergency martial law was made under certain circumstances, and that there is no legal problem. Therefore, using the right to refuse to make a statement may not be seen as a more favorable option in itself.

[Anchor]
If the president is successfully arrested and the second execution is successful, the investigation continues to exercise the right to remain silent. Then, what other cards can I use for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

[Lim Joo-hye]
If so, in fact, the investigation could be difficult. But that won't stop the investigation at all. Since investigations are now being conducted on other people involved, and accordingly, prosecutions are being carried out sequentially, why would we continue to refuse to make statements despite the fact that there is solid evidence like this? At some point, President Yoon Suk Yeol has no choice but to actively engage in such litigation and investigation procedures because continuing refusal to make statements may put him at a disadvantage, as mentioned earlier.

[Anchor]
Then, can I request an arrest warrant after that?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. If it's a normal case now, the arrest proceeds, so the investigation proceeds according to the progress of the arrest, and if the allegations are proven within that period, an arrest warrant is requested.

[Anchor]
Then what if you don't get anything out of the right to refuse to make a statement?

[Lim Joo-hye]
If so, you could be in a difficult situation, but in fact, there is a lot of attention on the arrest warrant right now, but arrest is not an end in itself. Arresting is just a process. The lack of the process can be pointed out as a problem, but not everything is done now for arrest, but after arrest, investigations such as investigations are carried out, and the fact that an arrest warrant has been issued does not mean that it is guilty in itself, but at least it means that the alleged crime has become somewhat clear, and if the investigation makes the alleged crime a little more clear and needs to be arrested accordingly, it leads to an arrest warrant request and leads to prosecution. So, if the arrest was carried out and the right to remain silent, if you don't say anything, this itself may be disadvantageous or advantageous in clarifying certain criminal charges, but if there is other reinforcing evidence, it may be more of a reason for arrest, so we have to take these into account.

[Anchor]
According to the interview contents of lawyer Yoon Gap-geun, obsessed with arrest is a disgrace. So, if you request an arrest warrant instead of an arrest warrant, you will comply with the execution, didn't you say? Please point out what it's about.

[Reporter]
First of all, Yoon Suk Yeol's representative is holding a series of press conferences right now. I held a press conference yesterday and a foreign press conference today. It seems to be actually going into a public opinion race. Let's avoid arrest first. It looks like you're going on this kind of operation. He seems to be willing to delay the Constitutional Court's impeachment decision and face an investigation without physical detention as late as possible, to face trial. I said that I would get an arrest warrant if I asked for it, not an arrest warrant. First of all, it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate rebellion and cannot respond to illegal investigations on invalid arrest warrants. And he said this. In addition to division and conflict, the court will comply with all procedures to resolve public inconvenience, he said.

An arrest warrant or investigation is the last stage of the investigation, so if evidence is secured, prosecute it or request an arrest warrant if you are going to investigate it. But the arrest warrant has already been approved by the court. Yoon Suk Yeol's objection was also rejected by the court. However, the person requesting the arrest warrant is actually the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It seems contradictory to ask for a warrant when you say you will not recognize the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. He also said that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was not appropriate as an investigative agency, and that he would not admit the investigation. But he went to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. This argument is actually contradictory. In the end, it seems to be a drag to avoid investigations into investigative agencies.

[Anchor]
So far, we've reviewed the contents with Baek Jong-kyu, a reporter from the Ministry of Social Affairs, and Lim Joo-hye, a lawyer. Thank you for talking today.