"Yoon's arrest warrant" will be re-executed..."BTS". Should I get a bodyguard?

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Bori
■ Appearance: Lee Joon-woo, member of the Special Committee on People's Power Media, Cho Dae-hyun, former head of the Office of the Prime Minister,

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[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are weighing the timing of the execution of the second arrest warrant for President Yoon. There is also a confrontation between the ruling and opposition parties over the Insurrection Special Counsel Act.

Let's take a look at the news from the political circle, Lee Joon-woo, a member of the Special Committee on People's Power Media, and Cho Dae-hyun, former head of the Office of the Prime Minister. How are you?

First, Park Jong-joon, former head of the security service, offered his resignation yesterday and voluntarily attended the police. I attended and received an investigation today, but you didn't respond to the first and second summons requests. But why did this change happen all of a sudden?

[Lee Junwoo]
I used to be a police officer. I'm a second-term police graduate. I spent almost my whole life in the police and came as a bodyguard. In this situation, there was a first collision. have a second execution Then, it is expected that the second execution will probably involve much more police personnel. If so, I think he had a personal concern about the situation where he confronted the security agency he is currently in charge of and the police who were his former parents. He had to fulfill his duty, which is currently stipulated by law, but he probably worried that the security service might not be able to fulfill his original duty because of his weak heart toward his mother.

Another important thing is that when I interviewed him yesterday, he said that he tried to mediate. I don't know what it means to make an arbitration effort, but I think you're probably responsible for the consequences of not accepting the arbitration effort in the end, not accepting both the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. So responsibility for the failure of the arbitration effort to be accepted. And lastly, there is probably a deputy security manager when you leave the security office. However, the deputy security secretary entered the presidential security office through open recruitment and started from the bottom to the top. I think that the security agency's responsibility, command, and control of the personnel who worked at the presidential security office from the beginning were more helpful for the security agency's coordinated movements.

[Anchor]
In addition to this interpretation, there was also this intention of breaking the strategy of the Central Security Agency to arrest the command of the security agency first when re-executing the warrant through voluntary attendance. There's also this interpretation, but how do you view this part?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
I also saw Chief Park Jong-joon in the photo line of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit yesterday. As I came in, I saw him respond sincerely to various questions and answers and respond diligently differently from other suspects and subjects. But looking at that expression, it didn't seem to be any highly calculated strategic when comprehensively evaluating the current situation. Rather, as Commissioner Lee Joon-woo said, you have to confront the police who were in charge of your own family, and this is not something you are doing for value under any pretext, right? In that sense, there is no more way for you to take this job. And I think that the existential concern that he had to confront his juniors and his subordinates played a big role.

[Anchor]
As a result, Deputy Security Minister Kim Sung-hoon took over as the head of the security service, and he refused to comply with the police's request today even though he was asked to attend the 3rd session. If you don't comply with the 3rd attendance, you'll feel a bit pressured, what do you think?

[Lee Junwoo]
But isn't the security chief out now? Since the chief of security is the chief of the entire security service, the chief of security who went out first went out, so is there a need to go out to the deputy chief to explain the process? Because the head of the security service was responsible for all the responsibilities and all the commands, the head of the security service probably went out and explained in detail what circumstances and what grounds prevented the execution of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If that's the case, I wonder if I needed to go to the deputy director and explain it more. Also, in the case of Kim Sung-hoon, the deputy head of security, we were in the middle of a relationship where we went to college together 18 years ago.

What kind of style this person usually is that he has a strong view of the state. As I said earlier, since I first started my social life as a presidential bodyguard, I've grown all the way to the deputy bodyguard. So every time the administration changes, I've invited presidents from various camps, but I've been guarding security factors under the Security Service Act, and then guarding the security area, so I think Kim Sung-hoon will be able to respond more tightly to the security guards and protect the factors under the Security Service Act than when there is a security chief.

[Anchor]
You evaluated me as a very strong person. Then, will the security guard's ironclad defense continue this time?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
Of course. Looking at the current atmosphere, even though former Chief Park Jong-joon tried to make a relatively reasonable and alternative, I think that the fact that he failed to play his role there and came out like this will lead to a strong attitude, as many critics say. According to other reports and other reports, Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon has grown from a security office to a public recruitment.Ma is not a bodyguard specialist. So, as a security expert, I'm not a person who has the ability to control the entire security service.

When the president of Yoon Suk Yeol came in this time, didn't he move the presidential office to Yongsan? In the process, this person is an expert in computer and communication, and he seems to have played a lot of roles in that area. In the process, the relationship with Deputy Director Kim Yong-hyun also became stronger, and at the same time, the so-called Kim Gun-hee line. I think that's what's being said. But now that Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon has come down and is going to the acting system, wasn't there another head of the headquarters present? Looking at such a situation, there is no one to confront even though he is not a professional workforce. I think that's the actual reality of the security service.

[Anchor]
Earlier, we also sent an official letter of request for identification to 26 officials of the Security Service who interfered with the execution of the first warrant. Wouldn't the security guard feel burdened in this area?

[Lee Junwoo] It's not ∀. The same goes for the bodyguard. The security office also requested a list of about 150 people, including police personnel who came in at the time. Because they requested it, it became a situation where each other could execute each other's obstruction of the execution of special public affairs, which could lead to each other's arrest. So right now, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot be considered advantageous. Another thing, I think you just mentioned Lee Jin-ha's attendance, but Lee Jin-ha is the head of the security and safety division. The reason why this person was present is because it's a little absurd, but he wasn't there that day. The police asked him to appear even though he wasn't there when the first arrest warrant was executed. So what does that mean? In other words, he didn't call Lee Jin-ha with evidence or objective evidence. Since the list is on the command, I will just call him and shake him up somehow or weaken him, so why did Director Lee Jin-ha proudly call me, who was not on the scene? It becomes a situation where you can argue like this. That's why I think the police just randomly asked the security service personnel to attend without evidence or evidence.

[Cho Dae-hyun]
He's commonly referred to as a four-member bodyguard. If you were not at the scene as you said and there were no charges, you should have attended when the first request for attendance was made. And I just talked about the request for identification of 26 people, but this is actually a very big problem. It's the bodyguard's own manpower. Professional manpower is a member of the bodyguard, so the bodyguard can order and mobilize it for security, but isn't it said that a large part of the troops and those who do mandatory service were mobilized on this day? In that sense, I think I asked for identification of these people because I have young friends who are believed to be those people.

If you have no choice but to mobilize soldiers serving in the military and personnel serving in the mission here, this is bound to cause great concern. Aren't parents also worried about sending their children to the military? And according to some media reports, low-level employees, especially young employees, are experiencing a lot of human anguish in the security personnel. Those stories are coming out, and I think it's an echo of that. Therefore, if the arrest is carried out in the second round later, it should never mobilize personnel who serve compulsory service. I also understand that that is the policy of the military authorities.

[Anchor]
You told me that human anguish is happening in the working group. In the Democratic Party of Korea, two of the four members of the security service leadership attended the police, and there is a crack in the security service. They say this, too. Do you agree on this part?

[Lee Junwoo]
I'm afraid not. As I just said, in the case of Director Lee Jin-ha, he is absurdly asked to attend, so why do I have to go out and come here? I wasn't even on the spot. I went out to explain that strongly. In the case of the security chief, as I said earlier, the part where he tried to mediate. And it wasn't accepted. And because of the reason why the security personnel can unite more faithfully and perform their duties under the Security Service Act due to his resignation, it is not possible to see any agitation from the command of the security service, but rather respond more actively to the second round.

And maybe when the second round of execution comes in, things like that the security service hasn't shown so far may come out. For example, there are strategies, tactics, or portable weapons that have not been disclosed at this time. Something like that could come out, too. However, you shouldn't be in a situation where you can use such a thing, but if the police go too far and use nearly 1,000 people to drill it with tactics, wouldn't it be possible? Rather, if you try to do so, you will only have to create a justification for the bodyguard to respond more strongly. If such bloodshed occurs, the responsibility for the bloodshed lies with the Minister of Public Offenses.

[Anchor]
Psychological agitation of the security service, how do you see Chief Cho?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
As I have said many times, the personnel of the security service are proud of the security service's original duty to protect the president and its role. He takes care of his body so much that he is unrivalled in protecting his body in Korea, and he has very professional expertise. So, not only do you train physically, but you also have a very strong mental power, judge the situation, and understand the situation of the situation, and I understand that you have a very high level of intellectual ability. There is no justification and value for the security personnel who have such pride. And a warrant that the other side, or the police or the Airborne, wants to execute is a legitimate warrant.

And courts in Korea and various organizations have already said that this is legal. There's no way that the personnel who are guarding such things don't know. In that state, I can't help but follow this situation because it's an order. People who have long been trained to abide by orders thoroughly and who have been trained to do so will not be able to break them easily. However, the human anguish felt there has been confirmed a lot by the departure of the director, the attendance of the director, and other news. So, what I really want to ask the president to do now is not to sacrifice these young people if it is the last conscience and the last consideration, but to walk out on your own. I think this is the last time we can do it.

[Anchor]
It is no exaggeration to say that all eyes of the Republic of Korea are on the execution of presidential warrants. This time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not give an exact expiration date for the second arrest warrant, nor does it give an expiration date unlike the first. He's very careful.

[Lee Junwoo]
I think we have to wait and see whether this is being cautious or trying to make another irrational move. There are many stories about whether the warrant is two weeks old or three weeks old.
The reason I received this long is because my first hearing at the Constitutional Court next Tuesday is next Tuesday. I think he was aiming for that day. So, if the president appears at the Constitutional Court on the first day of his/her argument, he/she can have three possibilities in mind: attempting to arrest him/her when he/she arrives at the Constitutional Court and walks in, or arrest him/her when he/she goes out to the Constitutional Court and pleads in person, and if he/she has those possibilities in mind, it could lead to even greater bloodshed. Isn't there a huge crowd of supporters there?

There are many people gathered around the Constitutional Court, including the official residence, and the possibility of clashes between supporters, and the security agency is likely to build a more solid security personnel at that time, but the possibility of clashes with those security personnel. A method that can be used then. How would you respond to the tactics? It may be possible to use a weapon. in order to cope with the tactics of the cause If such bloodshed comes, it will be broadcast live all over the world. Perhaps North Korean leader Kim Jong-un should also think about whether it is right for South Korea to show the president to cross his arms by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in his office.

[Anchor]
I wonder what kind of strategy the police will use as long as the validity of the warrant is extended. This time, the National Police Agency ordered more than 1,000 detectives in the Seoul metropolitan area specializing in violent crime and arrest. I guess you have a different will this time?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
First of all, when the first airborne organization executes it, the airborne organization is really inexperienced. Also, the people were disappointed and criticized for their weak will, right? On the other hand, the atmosphere within the police I know is very responsible for being criticized by the public. In particular, aren't the police chief and the Seoul Metropolitan Government chief, who are the best heads of the police, under investigation and arrest to the extent that they are major mission workers? In this regard, the police are feeling these things better than anyone else, the stinging gaze from the people they are receiving. In fact, the police are especially arrested. For various examples mentioned now, such as security investigations and criminal mobilization teams, aren't they all specialized in arresting? It's not that hard when you decide to arrest him.

Now, Commissioner Lee Joon-woo has talked about the use of such a special weapon, but in fact, such an expression does not seem appropriate. Since he is a professional manpower, he can be arrested if he decides to arrest him. I think the police are doing it with those wills this time. In particular, I understand that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is making a new resolution while being criticized by the public for showing such a wrong appearance in the first round, and that was confirmed once again by the appearance of Director Oh Dong-woon at the National Assembly to answer. Through this opportunity, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should perform its original role well again.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, controversy is raging ahead of the execution of arrest warrants by political circles. In the ruling party, it undermines national dignity. I'm protesting like this. The opposition needs to execute the warrant quickly. This is the position. We'll continue after listening to the recording.

[Kwon Young-se / People's Power Emergency Management Committee Chairman: We should avoid the president's handcuffing and being dragged out of his home as it degrades the dignity and national dignity of the country.... ]

[Kim Young-jin / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (SBS Radio 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): Hiding in his official residence and sending out a message saying 'Fight the people' for a month itself is an act of dividing the public opinion and continuing to reduce the competitiveness of the Republic of Korea to the lowest point.... ]

[Anchor]
Controversy over national qualification, I'm curious how you two heard it. First, committee member Lee.

[Lee Junwoo]
People have personalities. There is a national character in a country. Now, in this unprecedented situation, this emergency martial law, and as a result of the national opinion being divided, we are calmly showing what the order of democracy is. That's why the world is praising Korea's democracy resilience. In addition, it is evaluated as having excellent self-sustainability to find order in confusion. Under these circumstances, it is controversial whether all procedures are qualified to investigate allegations of rebellion, rather than just executing them according to the law. And the Western District Court issued is also not legal. Forced to follow despite the controversy at each of these steps. They show that they are forcibly mobilized to arrest the president. Rather, it is not the President but the Minjoo Party and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that are undermining the national prestige. I'd like to point that out.

[Anchor]
How did you like it?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
The whole nation is now recognizing and admiring it. The one at the core who has dropped national prestige since that day on December 3rd. That's the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Rather, don't people take to the streets and really say we're Kisses? The people who were wearing aluminum and crying out for impeachment as they endured the snow, and the people who were calling out for arrest, the citizens raised their national prestige and restored it. You keep talking about handcuffs and things like that, but you didn't tell the president that you would handcuff and arrest him from the beginning, right? Making an arrest is a pre-arrest step because I have already asked to appear several times, more than twice, and I have refused to comply with that attendance. I'm asking you to be investigated first. The main culprit of this case, which is now the main culprit, who overturned this huge country and gained global attention, is the accessory or accomplice, and the main mission workers are being arrested and many are being investigated, but he has not responded to the investigation and cannot leave now because he is handcuffed. If you say this, then you can just walk out now. Without doing such a thing, our police or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit tries to handcuff him even though he has no intention of his own. If citizens say that they are trying to drag them out, I think it will be an act of degrading national dignity once again.

[Anchor]
Will ruling party lawmakers go to their official residence again this time in the process of executing the second arrest warrant? I'm curious about this, too.

[Lee Junwoo]
There is a good chance that lawmakers will go. I think a lot of outside chairmen will also go. However, some Democrats have immunity from arrest. Maybe he made a scrum there by using the immunity from arrest. I heard they talk about that, too. I don't think it's appropriate to express such concern about something that hasn't happened. According to the National Assembly Advancement Act, it is not possible to collide in this way even within the National Assembly. But why would lawmakers go to the scene now?

If you look at various polls, you will find a lot of very meaningful poll results. There are situations like the party's approval rating is similar and the president's approval rating is much higher than before the emergency martial law. In this situation, lawmakers elected by the will of the people do not go out to the charter and join the voices of the citizens who support it, which is also problematic. So I don't think there's a problem at all with the lawmakers and the chairman of the outside committee going out and representing their voices.

[Anchor]
45 people went in the 1st round, will it increase this time?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think it's going to increase further. I think it's going to increase further. As far as I know, there will be more than 70 people going out of the office. I think that maybe 70 to 80 members of the National Assembly will go out.

[Anchor]
What do you think of this part of the ruling party lawmakers' official residence?

[Cho Dae-hyun]
Even if I'm mistaken, I think I'm very mistaken. I think this is an act of being conscious of the election three years from now. Leaving that photo as a record there would be something you want to use as data in the process of winning a nomination in the parliamentary election in three years. So, not only these people but also the chairman of the outside committee are coming out, because they are all preparing for the election in three years. Or there will be people preparing for local elections next year. Then these are acts that are thoroughly conscious of the election. Even Samcheok Dongja knows this. Seeing this makes me feel unhappy, and I want President Yoon Suk Yeol to come to his senses. These people are not people who want to share their fate with President Yoon Suk Yeol. They throw a big bait called Yoon Seok-yeol, and this bait is supposed to be taken anyway, but they are just such actions that we need to get a lot of things because we threw this big bait. From that point of view, I was criticized by a lot of people after that photo, which was blocked by two and forty people, came out. Mainly, lawmakers with areas with strong people's power formed the main structure. And proportional representation. Since proportional representatives also have to select their own regions, they will mainly go to areas with strong people's power in Yeongnam and calculate to win nominations. So I want President Yoon Suk Yeol to reflect on himself. I hope you realize that these politicians who only think about their elections now are the big bait.

[Lee Junwoo]
Whenever Representative Lee Jae-myung goes out for trial, don't you have the lawmakers who accompanied him? I think the Democratic Party of Korea is criticizing this, considering that they take all the pictures and share everything, such as which member came and which member did not come.

[Anchor]
I'll cut it short here.

So far, I have talked with Lee Joon-woo, a member of the Special Committee on People's Power Media, and Cho Dae-hyun, former head of the civil affairs office of the Prime Minister's Office.

Thank you both for your comments.