Security Service post 'illegal to block warrants' recovered in one day...signs of internal cracking

■ Host: Na Kyung-chul anchor
■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Bae Jong-ho, professor of Seha University

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[Anchor]
It was reported that it was recovered a day after it was deleted under the direction of Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon after an article was posted on the internal bulletin board of the Presidential Security Service saying it was illegal to prevent the execution of an arrest warrant. While signs of cracks are being detected inside the security office, various observations are being made about the timing and method of the second warrant execution. Let's look at the controversy over the second execution of the presidential arrest warrant and political issues such as the impeachment trial, which will begin on the 14th. Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor of Seha University, came out. Please come in. It's two days from now, so it's the first hearing of President Yoon's impeachment trial scheduled for the 14th, and the president says the president will not attend. Lawyer Yoon Gap-geun recently said that the president will attend at an appropriate time and there is no limit on the number of times, so I think there will be an analysis that this part is related to the execution of arrest warrants.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. Attendance has been announced for a long time. And he also said that he would step up on his own as the president is a legal professional, and that he could step up. You must also have thought that stepping up on your own would be quite helpful in creating issues. The president is going to focus on why he declared martial law, and he will create a new issue on the impact of the hearing, the Constitutional Court's pleading hearing, which is going on right now. I think this was the strategy. But there's a variable. Which variable? There are media reports that the second round of execution will be about next week as the summons continues and an arrest warrant is now requested. If you run into the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which is trying to execute you after leaving your residence without a definite answer, isn't it against the purpose you have taken so far: to continue the constitutional hearing and trial process without detention? Does it not conflict with the purpose? So I think the president's office and the president's lawyers are now thinking that they can't come forward in the current uncertain state.

[Anchor]
Then, if the president appears at the Constitutional Court, can he be arrested in the process of doing so?

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. As far as I know, the arrest warrant is until just before Lunar New Year's Day. There are about two weeks left, but it can be executed at any time for two weeks. It was reported in the media that they were waiting in the bus. Employees who meet the arrest enforcement requirements so that they can be executed at any time are probably waiting on the bus. Because the Miranda Principles, which can be enforced immediately under any circumstances, should and should not be revealed? I understand that you always wait for those processes in a state where you can.

[Anchor]
As you said, the Constitutional Court has already designated five hearing dates because it is connected to the execution of arrest warrants. How do you predict whether the president will be able to attend the hearing?

[Bae Jong Ho]
In my opinion, it is expected that he will not attend. You said the reason for that prediction, but isn't President Yoon Suk Yeol the subject of the execution of an arrest warrant? President Yoon Suk Yeol was the subject of the execution of the arrest warrant by himself. There is no problem if you voluntarily attended, but you refuse to attend five times, so the investigative agency and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit requested an arrest warrant and issued it in court through due process. That's why I'm always subject to arrest. So, in my opinion, I will not attend the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court. Secondly, in the case of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol from the beginning, he had no intention of attending.
So why did President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyers talk as if they were going to attend? In short, it's a justification for public opinion. You are refusing to comply with the execution of arrest warrants and you have been neglecting the impeachment trial, haven't you? But if he does not attend the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court, public opinion will be very bad, right? That's why I'm in attendance. I'm asking you to create an environment where you can attend. Then, if you ask me to create an environment where I can attend, I'm asking you not to arrest me. I'm asking you to investigate without detention as you said. So the basic strategy of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol now is the strategy of delay. He continues to reject the impeachment trial through a delay strategy, effectively neutralizing it and eventually dismissing it, and in the case of an investigation, it is an investigation of rebellion, which should be done after the impeachment trial. So if the impeachment trial is dismissed, can't you return to the presidency? If that happens, I think that I can defend the investigation enough, but in a word, it's delusional. Because the military mobilized emergency martial law in violation of constitutional procedures, which is the perfect reason for impeachment. On top of that, he is even accused of making a civil war, and he is refusing an arrest warrant, but I think he is building up the reasons for impeachment one by one.

[Anchor]
Today, President Yoon's lawyers submitted a senior appointment to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. In fact, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the rebellion, repeating this claim, but what do you think is the reason for the sudden announcement today?

[Bae Jong Ho]
In a word, it should be considered as justification for public opinion, and another delayed operation. So a few days ago, we fought as if we were going to get a senior appointment, but we didn't, right? So I delayed it for a few days. As you said, aren't you saying that the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an illegal investigation from their point of view? The reason is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the authority to investigate. However, he requested an arrest warrant. Therefore, the arrest warrant issued is also an illegal warrant. That's why I claimed it was invalid. Then you shouldn't give a senior appointment. Because giving a senior appointment means acknowledging the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, right? So it's a situation that doesn't add up. The court has already clearly arranged this part. have the power to investigate And jurisdiction is no problem at all. And even though the search target has no problem, and the court administration chief and the acting justice minister said that it is a legitimate arrest warrant, it is obligatory for all citizens to follow it, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyers continue to reject it with the logic that it is illegal.

[Anchor]
There is also an analysis that this is also part of a delay strategy for today's senior proposal. What do you think about this?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, I don't think there's a further delay in paying the seniority late. So anyway, the arrest warrant is going according to his schedule at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Whether or not to issue a senior appointment, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit continues to maintain its schedule. However, there is a high possibility that the public opinion will be adversely affected by going uncooperative without giving too much seniority. Also, when I went on the 8th last time, I tried to give a senior appointment. But I asked for an interview, not just a senior. But he didn't listen to the interview, so he didn't give a senior appointment. In fact, I asked for an exemption this time, but he didn't listen. As the professor said earlier, I think asking for an interview is actually a public opinion battle. For example, after the interview, you can have a press conference again. We talked about this and that, but now the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has answered like this, it can be another news item. So, for example, we can remind you of something like this. In 2021, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was highly criticized for summoning the emperor. Lee Sung-yoon, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, was summoned at that time, and the way he did it was to bring an official car to a nearby area. For example, comparing such things, I asked why the summoning is so comparable this time, but the answer was not right, and if there is a press conference after the interview, isn't it trying to have the effect of preoccupying a single public opinion?

[Anchor]
Now, when will the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit execute the second arrest warrant? There is a lot of attention on this part, but in the end, I think what I'm thinking about is how much the security agency's resistance is neutralized. So, we requested an arrest warrant for Kim Sung-hoon, deputy chief of security, and we also notified Kim Shin, head of the family, of attendance. How do you think this police strategy will be effective?

[Bae Jong Ho]
Rather than describing it as a strategy, the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are preparing for the second execution of arrest warrants with the principle that the law is executed according to the law, in short, without exception. That's what I thought. Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol's security line has already collapsed, I see it like this. The first reason for the collapse was that the head of the security department was resigned, right? So, he attended the police and was investigated, and the head of the headquarters was also investigated, and the person who is actually left now is the deputy chief of the acting security office, who is classified as Kang Sung. It is classified as the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, the Kim Gun-hee line, or the Kim Yong-hyun line. According to a report by Hankyoreh alone today, a security officer revealed that President Yoon Suk Yeol was ordering the execution of the second arrest warrant to consider the use of force. So yesterday, we talked about that with the executives at a meeting where we were acting on behalf of the executives, and the executives from within said that they were completely opposed. Therefore, if the second arrest warrant is executed, I don't think the security office will actually block the execution of the arrest warrant. And only a few people centered on the acting president. In particular, as internal executives are agitated, general security agents are more likely to be agitated. Because you immediately become a criminal. And if you become a criminal, you lose your job. And you won't be able to get your pension again. It's going to be very difficult. So it's actually collapsed now, and the most important thing is when it's executed, isn't it? In my opinion, as early as this week. Since there is a possibility of a serious mishap as supporters of both camps flock to each other on weekends, I think the execution will take place as early as this week or next week at the latest, and if the second arrest warrant is executed, the second arrest warrant is likely to be easily carried out.

[Anchor]
Professor Bae's internal resistance and internal resistance to the security office were visible, and one of the parts that were visible was that it could be illegal to prevent the execution of a warrant on the internal bulletin board of the security office, but it was deleted and restored in a day. Of course, it's been restored, but the fact that there was an attempt to block these voices from the top doesn't seem to change now, what do you think about the cracks inside the bodyguard?

[Lee Jong-geun]
The reason why I feel that the internal cracks of the bodyguard are now certain is that the voice inside the bodyguard is being exposed to the media. The security service is said to be a place that demands more secrecy than the National Intelligence Service. When the security service is open, the secret pledge is strictly required to make a secret pledge. Why? All information about the president and his family members is bound to be exposed to security officials. It can also be related to the safety and security of the country. That's why it hasn't been revealed until now that there are certain positions within the security service and some people in that position. For example, the NIS only has up to the third deputy chief of staff to be known. After that, it's not known at all who the director is and who the overseas headquarters are. But the security service is actually the same. The security service, but actually, now we know that the security service has a security manager, a head of the security and safety headquarters, a facility management team, and so on.

[Anchor]
I also knew for the first time that there was a head of the family.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. The head of the family is the kind of person who guards the family under the security headquarters, the closest family of the president. All of these things were exposed, but moreover, something went in and out of the bulletin board that only employees read, deleted, and there was an executive meeting like Hankyoreh alone earlier. How is the story at the executive meeting exposed to the media? Isn't a senior executive a position that requires more secrecy? Then, leaving this position and being exposed to the media in this way, we can tell that internal agitation is being detected right now.

[Anchor]
He said that it is now proving to be exposed to the media that it is already cracking. Among the contents reported by YTN alone, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is reviewing the right to compensate for damages and indemnify the security service. And if there is human and material damage during the execution process, we will charge this part of the cost afterwards, but we will take care of our employees, so that we will not be punished later even if we refuse to comply with the orders from our superiors, giving them a feeling like a conciliatory measure. Staff inside the security service, of course, won't they have no choice but to be agitated?

[Bae Jong Ho]
It's bound to be agitated. I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are conducting a two-sided operation. If you break the law and block the execution of an arrest warrant, you will be severely punished for obstructing the execution of special public affairs. However, if we cooperate, we will take care of it. In addition to criminal punishment, I will claim damages civilly and claim the right to indemnify. Then, general security personnel are bound to be very burdensome. Personally, I thought about what the security agents suffer the most, and they throw themselves when a bullet hits the president or the security target to protect them even if they die. But these people have suddenly become criminals who break the national law to protect the suspect. So some people said, "Is it a rebellion guard?" and now the former security chief, who resigned, asked me not to call us a rebellion guard. I think he must be agonizing a lot about this. However, the dilemma is that if you refuse the security guard's order, you can be punished for dereliction of duty, and at the same time, if you block the execution of an arrest warrant, you'll be obstructing the execution of special public affairs. In this regard, I don't think it's a crime. Didn't Park Jung-hoon, the former head of the Marine Corps investigation team, recently be found not guilty in the first trial? The reason for this was that refusing such an unjustified order would not constitute a crime of protest, so there is no possibility that security agents will be punished if they refuse the order to stop the execution of the second arrest warrant even if they throw themselves. Another interesting thing happened in this regard was that a judge-turned-lawyer named Oh offered to plead for free if he was in such danger. However, there are two parts of the message that I am very interested in, one of which is that President Yoon Suk Yeol will be punished. Why, whether it is a civil war or a military rebellion, it must be punished as one of the two crimes because he committed this crime. And President Yoon Suk Yeol is a historical sinner who has paralysed the functioning of the state for more than a month. I think the best solution is to attend voluntarily for everyone and for the country and the people, as President Yoon Suk Yeol took this part painfully.

[Anchor]
He said that then there should be a clear judgment from the security service staff as to whether the order is an illegal order or not. Now, even within the power of the people, so the use of force you just mentioned was also mentioned, but isn't there the biggest concern about bloodshed? Therefore, even within the power of the people, there is an opinion that the president should voluntarily appear to prevent this. Don't you think that's a possibility at all?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, Representative Ahn Cheol Soo made such a statement, as you said, the president, who is supposed to protect the constitutional rule of law, is refusing to comply with a legitimate warrant, causing the people to suffer and tremble. And he said that voluntary appearance is desirable. I understand that not only Ahn Cheol Soo, but also some of the Members who have these opinions, do not continue to speak out, but share them within themselves. Despite these voices, I told you about the president's position and strategy earlier, but I think this is what I'm most worried about and worried about. I want to have a proper hearing at the Constitutional Court, but if I wear a suit and go to the Constitutional Court, for example, I have no choice but to be a prediction. If it's done at the same time. Former President Park Geun Hye's case is slightly different, but just as the judicial process took place after the Constitutional Court hearing, there must be a situation in which he cannot properly argue his issues at the Constitutional Court by doing it at the same time. As a president, you are a legal professional, so would there have been no review of the constitution or the law? However, despite such criticism from some parties, the biggest reason for sticking to his strategy is up to the Constitutional Court. I think it's because I think I should focus on the Constitution.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are fully preparing now, so after the second arrest warrant is issued, they don't execute it immediately and have a little more careful time, but if the second warrant execution fails, what do you expect the repercussions will be in the future?

[Bae Jong Ho]
If even the second arrest warrant fails, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will have to close. Would the people tolerate that? First of all, why did the execution of the first arrest warrant fail? The first one was lack of will, ability, and strategy. So, President Yoon Suk Yeol and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit were suspected, but we failed again even though we were fully prepared. Then I don't think there will be any people who can tolerate this. Therefore, there is a growing voice for the abolition of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and there is a possibility that the opposition party will actually start to abolish the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which is more serious than the existence of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Because isn't Korea a developed country right now? Isn't it a country where the rule of law has collapsed when it is ranked as the 10th largest economy in the world? Then, what kind of overseas tourists would come to see this country where lawlessness prevails? And what will be the national credibility? In short, he refused to execute an arrest warrant in such a situation that a person named the president violated the law, was impeached for violating the constitution, and his duty was suspended. Then this isn't even a country. It completely undermines national dignity. President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyers should investigate President Yoon Suk Yeol without detention in the name of national prestige. He says he should not be arrested, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol commits rebellion and the arrest warrant is not executed even after two arrest warrants are issued, this is truly a national dignity. In fact, the head of the court administration also expressed such concern that if that happens, the national dignity will be shaken, so I would like to say that President Yoon Suk Yeol should stop acting illegally.

[Anchor]
I also think that one of the people who is most concerned about the national credibility you just mentioned is acting President Choi Sang-mok. By the way, the current stance of Acting President Choi Sang-mok is being criticized in many aspects, what do you think?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Is acting Choi bound to be criticized by both sides? This is the situation. Regardless of which one you take, one side has no choice but to criticize. Acting authority Choi is trying to mediate. But it's too late. You should have led this from the beginning. Although the acting authority is said to be an acting authority that only exercises passive authority, as I said, the national credibility is falling now. As a result, he had no choice but to act as an agent. And didn't you convince the members of the State Council that you had no choice but to appoint two constitutional judges? Then, this issue should have come up with a convincing, appealing arbitration proposal for both sides much more strongly to mediate from the beginning, rather than taking such a stance of continuing to be in limbo. However, when the security chief belatedly told reporters, "I asked acting chief Choi Sang-mok to act as an arbitrator, but there was no answer," he offered an arbitration proposal while accepting his resignation. This is very late, and I think it was an arbitration proposal by the acting authority that only showed its powerlessness when the arbitration proposal was not listened to by anyone or either side.

[Anchor]
You pointed out that it was inappropriate timing. And the ruling party, or about 40 incumbent lawmakers, or almost half of them, gathered in front of the presidential residence, or in front of the Hannam-dong residence, and spoke out against the execution of the warrant. Oh Dong-woon, the head of the Airborne Division, said in the National Assembly that they can also be arrested in the red, but we will continue to listen to it and talk about it.

[Park Joo-min / Democratic Party member (9th): If a warrant is executed, lawmakers go to the majority to scramble and block it, does it constitute obstruction of justice? ]

[Dongwoon Oh / Senior Civil Servant Crime Investigation Director (9th): If it interferes with our warrant execution work, it applies equally to obstructing the execution of public affairs. ]

[Park Joo-min / Democratic Party member (9th): Can lawmakers also be arrested on the spot? ]

[Dongwoon Oh / Senior Civil Servant Crime Investigation Director (9th): There is no theory that if you commit the same crime, you will be arrested. ]

[Anchor]
Members have immunity from arrest. So there was a prospect that if a member of the National Assembly blocks it again, there would be another barrier here, but the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit talked about the possibility of arresting the current criminal. What do you think about the possibility of MPs regrouping if there is a second round of execution?

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think there's a pretty good chance of getting back together. The reason is that as conservative supporters have recently gathered, the public's support rate for power has been rising, hasn't it? At the same time, the gap with the Democratic Party has narrowed very much. So, I think those hard-line lawmakers will judge that we're on the right track. So let's work harder, I think they'll judge like this. Doing so is the way for us to go along with conservative and hard-line supporters and, in the long run, win nominations next time and become lawmakers. I think you'll think like this, but I think it's a big illusion. If it continues like that, eventually the power of the people will be reduced to the Yeongnam Liberal Democratic Union, and the far-right party will be abandoned by the people. Even inside, lawmaker Cho Jung-hoon said the right thing for the first time in a long time. In the case of the power of the people, isn't it that they are in the frame of Yeongnam, Gangnam, and vested interests? So, in order to reform into the future, we need to squeeze pus, but I would like to say that the power of the people is in a very dangerous state. And as you said earlier, lawmakers have the privilege of non-arrest, but there are exceptions. If you are a red-handed offender, you are subject to arrest. But the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit clearly said it. He's a very gentle person, but he said it firmly. He said that if he interfered with the execution of the second arrest warrant, he would also arrest him as a red-handed offender. Then, he professed it, and he believes that there is no way not to comply with it because it is a violation of the positive law, and if he actually stops the arrest warrant, he will be arrested. So I can come and protest, but I don't think I can actually block the execution of the arrest warrant. I think history will record in the distant future. These are the kind of people who have been with the rebellion. Wouldn't he be judged to be the kind of person who justifies and defends civil war? So, we talked about Representative Ahn Cheol Soo earlier, but I think Representative Ahn Cheol Soo made the right choice this time and received a lot of points from the people. Since there are people like Ahn Cheol Soo, Kim Ye-ji, and these, isn't there some sound of conscience left in the power of the people? And this will be a significant asset for Ahn Cheol Soo's future when he is running for conservative president. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
As Professor Bae said, there were many opinions within the ruling party about the gathering of members of the People's Power in front of Hannam-dong's official residence. How did the critic see this scene?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, Director of Public Offenses Oh Dong-woon's words are half right, and I think I'm half different. The half is that the current criminal part explained well in relation to Article 44 of the Constitution. That part is agreed, but the latter part, which can be arrested for obstructing the execution of official duties. In fact, this is a part where obstruction of justice simply stands, and people who are scrumming cannot be arrested. It's clearly written like this. assault and intimidation It's like this because it interferes with the execution of public affairs through assault and intimidation. Then, Rep. Park Joo-min is standing on the scrum, can he be arrested? This is because whether it's scrumming or doing anything, the problem is assault or verbal abuse, and non-violence, that is, lying down without using violence. So, last time, for example, Kim Min-seok, a senior member of the Supreme Council, hid at the company in the past and lasted for 30 days. At that time, the party members made a scrum. I couldn't arrest it for obstruction of justice. So, if you happen to go, you might say you'll do it nonviolently and just give an exit, but is this actually appropriate? I don't think it's appropriate. As you said earlier, if I add to that, I think the current Jungkook is a temporary Jungkook. The problem is that if the president is actually tried or done, and even if the president is not actually tried, if the trial of key mission workers such as former Minister Kim Yong-hyun is held, the commanders will testify. If a huge number of situations at that time, other than some of the charges announced so far, are testified and they are immediately reported, public opinion may enter a different phase than before.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's talk about this. If a Democratic Party lawmaker Jeon Yong-gi spreads fake news through KakaoTalk, he will accuse him of inciting rebellion. What do you think of this issue when you have predicted a legal response, saying that it is a threat to the people in the power of the people? It's freedom of expression, no.

[Bae Jong Ho]
Freedom of expression is not unlimited freedom. It's free within the positive law. If you damage others and break the law again, that's the subject of punishment. But isn't Korea in a very critical situation right now? In particular, the Democratic Party is saying that a civil war is underway, and if you promote or incite a civil war through fake news, it can be criminalized. Regarding this, people say, "Do you censor it?" The dictionary term for censorship is to see it in advance and control it. What lawmaker Jeon Yong-gi is saying now is that spreading fake news through Kakao Talk constitutes propaganda and incitement, and that he will file criminal charges. In this regard, it is questionable whether this is a law. However, what I want to say to the Democratic Party of Korea is that since the political situation is very confusing, it is necessary to refrain from making such remarks that stimulate public sentiment. I don't think there's any negative public opinion about the Democratic Party recently. As a result, the gap between the Democratic Party and the people's power seems to have narrowed due to the fact that conservative supporters are gathering plus alpha, but the Democratic Party is now targeting the ruling party. If so, the people are anxious in this situation where emergency martial law and civil war are underway. Then, I would like to say that it is time to think about what it is that can give people a sense of stability and trust that can be really authorized.

[Anchor]
How did the critic see this issue?

[Lee Jong-geun]
censorship. It is said that there are 45 million people who use KakaoTalk in 2024 and 2023. Almost everyone in the country is using it. But look at it. The Democratic Party of Korea expresses it as fake news such as "It's not a civil war" and "Martial law is not a civil war." But now there are some constitutional scholars who argue that declaring martial law is not a civil war, and there are many supporters who spread it. Then, according to lawmaker Jeon Yong-ki's expression, martial law is not a civil war with academic conscience. I do not agree with that.Nevertheless, it's a crime of accusing it and inciting rebellion. It's simply Nazi Goebbels' kind of censorship to do this. Even such opinions spread out, so I'll define them as fake news and look at all 45 million comments, which are very, very, very right, and now it's a rebellion. Is there any stealth soldiers on the streets now that this is a civil war? Soldiers in transparent clothes are walking by and are the tanks stealth tanks? I've changed all the command. The police chief has also changed. Then there can't be a rebellion. The National Assembly has already issued a request for lifting it legally. Martial law is already over. But just don't say anything while maintaining the dangerous situation of civil war. I think it is also necessary to reflect on the fact that the Democratic Party's approval rating is falling because it shows an internal rebellion in a way that says, "Don't even bring up an internal rebellion."

[Anchor]
Since we don't have much time, I'll ask you two questions at once on two issues. What do you think about the two things, former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun's application for retirement benefits and President Yoon Suk Yeol's annual salary increase?

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, you can apply for retirement benefits for former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun. But you've done something incredible. So, isn't it a situation where you were urgently arrested on charges of being an important mission worker and now arrested and put on trial? Even in such a situation, would he have thought of applying for retirement benefits? Then, what did the former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun and the former security chief live for in their lives? I have a lot of doubts about whether I lived for the public good or for my private interest. As a result, I think that it has led to this deviant criminal act. And in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, the annual salary has increased by 3% this year, so it is 262 million won. Then, it may be said that this part was automatically raised by the system, but the charge of causing civil war and the charge of causing emergency martial law. How sad would it be for the public to hear such news at a time when they are blocking the second execution arrest warrant? In particular, even though the job has been suspended, this part is raised and paid as it is, so I would like to take this opportunity to change the laws, systems and regulations.

[Anchor]
I'll listen to it briefly, critic.

[Lee Jong-geun]
I agree that there are no legal issues. Former Minister Kim Yong-hyun resigned. It happened after he resigned. Regarding the second president, this is it. The problem is not the increase, but the salary should be no labor and no wage, but former President Roh Moo Hyun and former President Park Geun Hye also received the same. Because there is no regulation in the law. What I agreed with you is that there should be a revision of the law. During impeachment, the salary must be frozen during the suspension of duty. Payment should be suspended. Payments should be suspended, not frozen. For example, when it was dismissed, a law was proposed that it should be suspended even if it is received again, but it was all discarded. I think the system should be proposed and passed at this opportunity.

[Anchor]
I see. We'll stop listening to your opinions today. Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor at Seha University, joined us.