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□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: January 13, 2025 (Monday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Cast member: Kim Jong-hyuk, Supreme Council member of the People's Power (phone)

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◆ PD Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): Yes, through the emergency committee system several times, new aspects and directions of the party need to be made. As the leadership stands and the leadership changes, the party is struggling. It's a situation of people's power. Now, we are facing another wave of special prosecutors in the National Assembly. How should we break through? Related news, Kim Jong-hyuk, the Supreme Council member of the People's Power, will be on the phone to talk. Hello, assistant minister. Yes, how are you? Yes, the special prosecutor's office is strongly attacking the opposition party, but recently, it has accepted the contents of the revised bill and the request from within the power of the people, but it is also protesting from within the power of the people. The tug-of-war continues over this special prosecutor, so please tell us first how you see this situation.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk, former member of the Supreme Council of People's Power (hereinafter referred to as Kim Jong-hyuk): First of all, the title of the special prosecutor brought from the Democratic Party is the independent prosecutor. However, the president, who claims that the contents of the emergency martial law are now a civil war, is confronting that it is not a civil war. So I think this will eventually be defined according to the results of the investigation and the results of the trial. However, I don't think it's very fair to say that the contents of the special prosecutor are not objective martial law special prosecutors called emergency martial law special prosecutors, because it already defines the character of the special prosecutor. That's the first one, and the second one is that the Democratic Party was supposed to appoint the special prosecutor they wanted, but now it's changing to a third-party special prosecutor, right? I think that's a very good thing.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I think the problem is that the contents of this special prosecutor's law could include the foreign exchange crime, but I think it's clearly wrong to include, for example, the dispatch of troops to Ukraine as a special prosecutor, or to make random raids and confidential requests for all the military units and police security agencies. I hope that the opposition party and the ruling party will consult and come up with a special investigation plan that can objectively identify the truth, not an independent investigation to find out the objective substance or facts. That's what I think.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, expressed his opinion that the subject of investigation is limited to around 6 hours of martial law and then the foreign exchange crime is deleted. What did you think of this opinion?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: The six-hour limit is too much for me to say, and there are various legal and order violations in all subsequent processes. So I think it's too much to limit it like that. As the chairman of our party's emergency committee said, I think there will be various concerns about the original plan, but I think the general public will think that it is possible to identify the reality by limiting it like that. So, we have to discuss this with each other, and the foreign exchange crime part means that the foreign exchange crime is trying to start a war in the end, or is it trying to draw local provocations from North Korea? But if that's true, it's a huge deal. However, since some of them came out during the soldiers' statements, I think the substance of the foreign exchange crime should be identified.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: But as the Democratic Party said now, this way that random raids and confidential demands are possible, that doesn't make sense.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: There are some people who wish that these things that former Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk is talking about would have been widely discussed within the party, but I think there was also a complaint from the party leadership about why each member makes a different choice in the vote. There was also talk of suggesting leaving the party.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Oh, as far as I know, at 3 p.m. today, the remarks of the special prosecutor for martial law are still different from each other, but I understand that the two parties are discussing that. And what the anchor said was that Kim Sang-woong and others went out last time, and Kim Gun-hee, the independent counsel for the first lady, and the independent counsel for the civil war, which the Democratic Party of Korea submitted, were now opposed to the party's theory. It's a criticism of these things. However, in the case of the United States, it is a country that has implemented the presidential system more than 200 years before us. But in the United States, there's nothing that the party decides on and forces lawmakers to do. So the vote is made entirely by the conscience and judgment of each member of Congress. So, in order for the president to pass the bill he wants, the opposition party, or the other party members, are invited to the White House to persuade them while eating.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: But in our country, we don't just recognize the will of each lawmaker or freedom of conscience in the name of party theory and push it unilaterally, but I think this is absurd. And if you look at the process of making this party theory, some of the leading people decided that the party leadership would do this. You have no objection, right? This is how you decide. Then, there is controversy over whether this is a party-line decision-making process that has gone through the right democratic process or whether party-line decisions are necessary, and whether the decision process is also going through democratic procedures. To sanction individual lawmakers for violating this kind of situation, I think this is a democratic development or not a good thing for a democratic society.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, it would be nice to communicate party opinions and decide through discussions, including lawmakers who make various judgments of various tendencies, but do you think there is a different background for desperate reasons? Now, lawmakers who have met Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon and many anti-communist youth groups in the party are also drawing attention. Is there any other background you're reading that focuses on the core logic of the core leadership rather than embracing it?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: This is the party's atmosphere. For example, party arguments are decided or parliamentary meetings are held, and we often make jokes like that. If the boss takes the employees to a Chinese restaurant to buy them something delicious, and the boss says, "I'm going to eat black bean noodles." But if everyone orders something delicious, no one can order it, right? Likewise, when the party's parliamentary meeting is held now, it is very difficult for others to object to it if some leadership drives it in a certain direction. In addition to that atmosphere, he is currently very selective in making such party decisions. For example, in the case of Representative Kim Sang-wook, they ask us to punish them because they are against our party's theory, or to defect from the party. For example, in the case of former Representative Kim Min, don't you think there are parts like this where we call people who sound like Baekgoldan to the National Assembly and arrange a press conference there? You're keeping your mouth shut about this again.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So if you start to apply something selectively like this, the legitimacy of it will inevitably be undermined.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Earlier, we are in the position of Democratic Party Rep. Park Soo-hyun. Although it is the opposition party's position, some analysts say that the appeal to the traditional core supporters was done based on their political life or advantages. How would you accept this analysis?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right, because according to the current polls, about 60 percent of the people's supporters say that the president's impeachment is wrong, and almost 80 percent of the people's power supporters say that it is wrong. So, lawmakers and the chairmen of the outside party cooperation committee cannot help but think of these things, such as the pressure from the active supporters of such party members. That's why, for example, going out to the official residence to protest or something like that, and you can understand that. Because politicians can't help but keep their supporters in mind. But at the same time, politicians also have to think about history.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: If you dance according to any pressure right now or the demands of voters or supporters, such public opinion can change at any time, so politicians think that it is a politician only when they keep in mind how history will evaluate me a year later, two years later, five years later, or 50 years later.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. Well, you said it in principle, but anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea's amendment proposal has been proposed. But the plan is still open, but the wings of the people's power should also join the solution to the political situation, so what strategies can you tell us?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: No. Now that I'm stepping down from the leadership, I don't think the current leadership will follow it because I'm saying something. But that's why the prosecution, the police, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the presidential office are in such a sharp conflict, and the only thing that can be solved is a special prosecutor at the National Assembly. However, the current party leadership is also in a very ambiguous and difficult position. It's because the strong supporters who are protesting at the official residence in Yongsan and the so-called Taegeukgi unit are talking about what kind of bowl door they are turning, and when they oust emergency committee chairman Kwon Young-se and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, let's drive them out. It's because whether these people are independent counsel for martial law or independent counsel for civil war, whatever the name is, they'll get that independent counsel. Since the president is proposing a proposal to have discussions, what did the president do wrong to make an independent counsel? This should be prevented. It's this kind of logic.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So I think this leadership is going to be in a very difficult position. In the end, however, the issue can only be resolved through the independent counsel agreed upon by the ruling and opposition parties to avoid disputes over fairness, and I think these conflicts and confrontations between public and private citizens on the streets can be resolved.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, we talked about the core supporters of the radical captain's party earlier, but there are people who are curious about whether the party's ethics committee will be disciplined in relation to the Baekgoldan event. How do you judge it?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I don't know how the leadership will decide. But as you know, Baekgoldan means political thugs under the Syngman Rhee administration in the 1,900s and 150s. And that's what happened in the 1980s to those martial officers who put down those protesters.
◆ [Kim Woo-sung] It's plain clothes arrest. Yes,

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: It was a plain clothes arrest system. But at that time, I used to wear the new Fiber on my head, so I called it the Baekgoldan, but it was a very scary and notorious organization. But now, in 2024, I'm going to call these young men in white Fiber to the National Assembly and call themselves the White Fiber and stop the police from coming to power. I'm going to block that execution. So I think it's very wrong to be able to make such a claim to counter the public authority in this way.

◆ Kim Woosung : in this situation

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk : I think we should take responsibility

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. In this situation, we introduced the outline of various indicators related to public opinion earlier, but also between the Democratic Party of Korea and the People's Power Party. Such public opinion is moving a little differently from the past eight years ago, and I sent a message through Yoon Suk Yeol's Facebook page, which was suspended, but this time, the government should support the LA wildfires following the Jeju Air disaster. What should I say? The job has been suspended, but he continues to send messages and shows his activities. How do you judge it?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Well, the duty has been suspended, but in fact, the LA disaster can actually express condolences and raise interest in the wildfires in LA or the Jeju Air disaster.
◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, that's right.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So I don't want to take issue with that itself. The president can also say that as a natural person. And even though he is still retired from his position, it is undeniable that he is still a sitting president. So I think there's no need to take issue with that itself.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, actually, I asked you earlier about public opinion polls or things related to public opinion, but the Supreme Council member also said this. The reason for Lee Jae-myung's existence is thanks to President Yoon. If President Yoon collapses, Chairman Lee Jae-myung will also collapse. In fact, there is a similar context to the current poll trend, so please tell me this question in more depth

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Yes, for example, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol actually heard Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, as the reason for emergency martial law. I can't do it because of the Democratic Party. President, I shouldn't leave this alone. So, I'll do emergency martial law, whether it's warning or anything. Of course, the logic itself is that there are civilians and legal professionals, and most of all, the argument loses its logical basis as soon as it is confirmed that he told him to arrest the representative of his party, Han Dong-hoon. Nevertheless, President Yoon actually said that he was doing emergency martial law because of Chairman Lee Jae-myung, and in response to that, the Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung have a considerable amount of irrationality.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: As if they became occupiers, for example, they will impeach all the members of the State Council, including Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, or impeach them all at once. Making this kind of argument and putting undue pressure on the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and making a phone call to the National Capital are very disappointing to the public's eyes, so the opposition to it is that our party's support, which initially fell to the bottom despite the emergency martial law of the president of our party, Yoon Suk Yeol, is going up again, not because our party is doing well, but because the Democratic Party is doing something wrong in this way, isn't the Democratic Party represented by Chairman Lee Jae-myung after all? That's why people in both extremes are now colliding with each other, such as President Yoon Suk Yeol's extreme actions and Representative Lee Jae-myung's extreme response to it, and only the people are dying as slang.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So I think that these two are continuing to have a mirror facing each other and a hostile symbiotic relationship.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. What's related is the same as the outline of the poll we introduced earlier. I think you can understand. Speaking of which, you brought up former CEO Han Dong-hoon for a moment. Since you started as a politician, you must continue to be in politics. Well, I'm saying no more about witness politics, but I think I have to tell you this because there is a unique witness. I've gained some weight, so I've gained some weight. There were expressions like, "You looked a little comfortable." It's just the sightings that come out just by looking at it, but CEO Han Dong-hoon led the team together. I wonder if you are communicating or how you are sharing various judgments about the current situation.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: The representative Han Dong-hoon has never quit politics. That's why he was kicked out of the party leader. Even though he was kicked out, he said, "Oh, that people, that politician should protect the people. The people don't need to protect politicians." That's why he's only stepping back for a while now, not quitting politics. So he'll come back in any way. As far as I know, I met with many people to discuss and analyze the current political situation, and how the Republic of Korea can break away from the conflict and hostile symbiotic relationship between the ruling and opposition parties and achieve political development in the future.

◆ Kim Woosung: You also communicate with former Supreme Council member Kim often, right?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Yes, we're communicating.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Is there a part where you put your heads together about the time or timing of the official activities?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: It's totally up to you. The situation across the country is changing so rapidly that it is impossible to predict an inch ahead, not a day, and there are many changes, so I think it's up to you to decide how to respond to these issues.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, this is the situation, but first of all, it's the survey we talked about earlier in Gallup Korea. This survey is a telephone surveyor interview method, and detailed results can be found on the website of the Central Election Public Opinion Survey Review Committee and the Gallup Korea website. In a survey conducted from the 7th to the 9th, it is a survey of presidential candidates, and of course, while representative Lee Jae-myung continues to lead at 32%, Employment and Labor Minister Kim Moon-soo is currently being investigated the most by the people's power, conservative party, or ruling party. In fact, I think former CEO Han Dong-hoon cannot help but care about this situation. What do you think of this phenomenon?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Didn't the representative Han Dong-won get kicked out while leading the way? So, in fact, the votes supporting our party were going back and forth. At one point, he went to the representative of Hong Joon Pyo, and then he flocked to Mayor Oh Se-hoon, and then again, he must have a lot of complaints about the two. As a result, support for the Minister of Labor Kim Moon-soo, who has been the toughest voice and was closest to President Yoon Suk Yeol, is now rising. I think all of these things are temporary.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, sir. That's all for today. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, Kim Jong-hyuk was a member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power.