■ Host: Anchor Park Seok-won, Anchor Um Ji-min
■ Starring: Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Cha Jae-won, special professor at Busan Catholic University, lawyer Seo Jeong-bin
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[Anchor]
Following the news regarding the execution of the second arrest warrant for President Yoon, the studio will tell you. Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University. The execution is continuing right now. The advance team seems to be checking the security-related preparations at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building. Why is it taking so long?
[Borrowing]
First of all, I think it's a kind of mission of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to execute an arrest warrant against the president, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is strongly insisting on the arrest of the president. Regarding this, the president will voluntarily attend the meeting even now. Whether it's arrest or voluntary attendance, I think he's having a pretty kind of scuffle with President Yoon's lawyers.
The investigation of President Yoon itself is inevitably very different depending on whether he is arrested or voluntarily launched. If it is a situation that is executed by an arrest warrant, first of all, if President Yoon is secured, he can investigate while in custody for 48 hours. However, if you voluntarily attend, it will be difficult to conduct a late-night survey because you came on your own, and if you can't do a late-night survey, you have to send it back.
Then, if we have no choice but to go back to our official residence, if we ask him to appear next time, there will be considerable friction if he doesn't come out like this, so I think President Yoon is thinking that he will not conduct a late-night investigation in the form of voluntary attendance and do it in the way of commuting.
However, in the case of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there have been no cases of voluntary attendance after receiving an arrest warrant once. That's why if we accept this, there will inevitably be a preferential dispute against President Yoon. That's why I think it's taking a lot of time to coordinate these parts.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said its goal is to execute the warrant without considering the form of voluntary attendance, so it seems that they are also discussing this security method now that the principle is to get President Yoon Suk Yeol on a convoy. So what's the difference between taking a bodyguard vehicle and taking a convoy of airmen?
[Jang Sung Ho]
From the president's point of view and from the point of view of the security agency, aren't some of the security agencies going to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for security inspection? Considering those things, we are discussing in detail about the security method, the security environment, and the way of investigating the site, so don't you think there is another way to treat the president of Yoon Suk Yeol because he hasn't been seen yet?
As a sitting president, I don't think there will be such a big disagreement on this part. Is it a convoy or a presidential car? So, rather than this, isn't there a lot of details about how to go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the investigation method, and a lot of other things to check about security?
Therefore, it is quite likely that such a part will take a lot of time, and whether an arrest warrant is executed or voluntary attendance is made here. That part is also really different from both sides. That's why, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we're running out of time within 48 hours by executing the arrest warrant quickly, right? When an arrest warrant is requested within 48 hours, this is likely to be accompanied by a large part of the president for 48 hours, of course by a lawyer, but there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to remain silent.
Normally, I did it on a constitutional basis and at the level of a commander-in-chief. And the rest is whether I can secure something like an arrest warrant for 48 hours with this, when I said it all in the media and in the public declaration. And for example, an arrest warrant request is the same as an arrest warrant, but shouldn't there be a fear of escape or destruction of evidence? I think both sides are quite complicated right now about how these things can be proven and certain things can be brought to the court by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
This is the screen showing the front door of the presidential office. If President Yoon comes out after the security discussion is over, there is the highest probability of him coming out of this screen, so we continue to show him the screen now. As you said, Professor Jang may exercise his right to remain silent. There is a high possibility that the investigation will not proceed smoothly within 48 hours, so does Professor Cha agree?
[Borrowing]
I think there is a 99.9% chance that President Yoon will exercise his right to remain silent if he goes to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, whether arrested or voluntarily launched. Because on the part of President Yoon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the rebellion. That's why they think that a warrant requested and issued by an agency that doesn't have the right to investigate is illegal. That's why I think it's almost zero chance to respond to it because I think it doesn't make sense for an illegal agency to investigate civil war.
Even so, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the exercise of the right to remain silent is the level of the suspect's right to defend himself, so he cannot do anything about it. If so, if it were to be an arrest now, I would ask a number of questions in my own way while holding a person for 48 hours. I heard that you prepared hundreds of questions, but if you exercise your right to remain silent on all questions, what would you do after that? In my opinion, I think that I will issue an arrest warrant.
If so, in the case of an arrest warrant, the court will judge the matter through a warrant review. But now, President Lee Yoon is suspected of being the head of a civil war, and all important mission workers are arrested. In such a situation, no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, I think that no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, there will be no problem proving the charges.
And although there is a high possibility that an arrest warrant will not be issued because there is no fear of escape or destruction of evidence, in a way, there is not much concern that incumbent soldiers will flee even if their subordinates are caught now, right? And while there is a concern of destroying evidence, in the case of President Yoon, the concern of destroying evidence is rather high in the court. Because they refused to comply with the summons to the extent that an arrest warrant was issued, and this is quite the charge of destroying evidence, and most importantly, the severity of the matter.
The allegation that the incumbent president attempted to wage a civil war is so severe that I think a warrant is likely to be issued by the court. Another reason for this is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit received an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. If so, why doesn't President Yoon's side go to the Seoul Central District Court if he claims an arrest warrant for consistency? I think there's a high possibility of controversy because of this.Ma, however, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the Western District Court issued an arrest warrant for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon.
That's why I think it's quite likely that the Airborne Department will also request an arrest warrant from the Western Court, and that's what I think about earlier when it comes to vehicle movement. If it becomes a voluntary appearance, there is a high possibility that it will come out in a security service vehicle, and if you are arrested, you will have no choice but to ride a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If the suspect simply says it now, whether he or she will go to his car or the vehicle appealed by the investigative agency, this means that the characteristics will inevitably differ depending on whether he or she is voluntarily running or arrested. If he or she makes an arrest and moves in a security guard vehicle because of the security problem of the incumbent president, there will be another dispute over preferential treatment. If, for example, investigators and prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot ride together in the security guard vehicle, there will be a problem in escorting him or not. That's why I think it's going to be decided which vehicle to ride depending on the arrest or voluntary departure.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the situation in front of the official residence. People are constantly seen entering and leaving the official residence. We will deliver it as soon as we catch the movement. How did you move to the previous presidents when you went to investigate whether you are transferring to a security car or a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Borrowing]
There's never been an incumbent president to be investigated. That's why this is the first time ever. That is why I remember that the only case that we can refer to is December 3, 1995, which is incomparable to the previous case. At that time, 5. According to the 18th Special Act, former President Chun Doo-hwan, then a former president, fled to Hapcheon. The next day, when the alley explanation was announced early in the morning, the prosecution applied for a preliminary arrest warrant and got it issued at night. After receiving the order, he went to Hapcheon immediately and arrested former President Chun Doo-hwan in his birthplace, and there was a question of how to escort then-President Chun Doo-hwan. At that time, seven years after President Chun Doo-hwan left office, he was being guarded by the police.
However, at that time, the police chief instructed the security team in advance to disarm them, and you should not be allowed to drive your vehicle. So I escorted them into the vehicle that the prosecution investigators took. I transferred from Hapcheon to Anyang Prison at that time, and I took a rest and escorted him for about 3 hours and a half, almost non-stop. In the case of former President Chun Doo-hwan at the time, investigators put their arms on both sides when he was arrested, so what former President Chun Doo-hwan said at the time was, "I'm the president, so don't cross my arms." So the investigators don't cross their arms, but when escorting, we're familiar with the scene, but I don't know because they were escorted in such a way that they sat in the middle of the back seat of the car and investigators sat on both sides.
If we do that again, I think the vehicle is a sitting president.Ma is a suspect, so maybe that way, two investigators will sit on both sides and President Yoon will sit in the middle. In the case of convoy by airlift vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
But like gun rope and handcuffs, if the law is the same, shouldn't it be filled if it's equal? However, if you look at the court's opinion on these things, you can give me some human rights aspects and courtesy, so I'm a guarded, incumbent president, right? It's the first time in history. Therefore, from the standpoint of the incumbent president, if an investigator sits next to him in a car of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the bodyguards should be outside, and there is a high possibility that the bodyguards who protect the president's personal safety should also be considered, so I think there is a possibility that it will be a way to follow the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in a car dedicated to the president.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen right now. The screen on the right shows you at the door of the official residence and the front door of the official residence. If President Yoon shows up, it is expected to come out through that door, so we will have to keep watching. And then the vehicles on the right are the security vehicles waiting at the gate of the official residence. Security guards are on board with some cars on the line. I'm getting off and off, so I think I'm getting ready to move right away.
So far, we have been discussing various security issues, but President Yoon is likely to appear and move as soon as the discussion is over, including the advance party. Aren't you saying that the advance team will first move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building in Gwacheon to discuss various safety issues and organize what's in the field? It is said that they have already prepared an investigation room, a rest facility, and a recording investigation to investigate video, so what security issues should be considered?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not a single building. So, as far as I know, it's in the Gwacheon Government Complex. So when I sent a request for attendance to President Yoon in the first place, I asked him to come on holidays, not weekdays. The reason is that there are other public officials, so there is a possibility of mixing with the general public, and because of that, I told them to appear on holidays due to security issues, but they didn't come out.
If that's the case, today is a weekday even if we're escorting them now. Then, there are people working in other offices, so there are quite a few harmful factors in terms of security. If so, from the perspective of the security agents, go ahead and investigate in which room of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and then introduce various surrounding buildings with harmful factors or all such Gwacheon Office. I think we need to do those kinds of checks. Another thing to keep in mind is that if it is in the form of an arrest, the president's personal life can be avoided for 48 hours.
In that case, what I'm saying now is that he's likely to be imprisoned in a detention center. However, it is the first time in history that an incumbent president is imprisoned in a Seoul detention center. Even in this case, how will you protect him? If so, in the case of Seoul Detention Center, then make a specific area a security space. In my opinion, when I talk to lawyers, if they arrest them, where will they be held for 48 hours? If that's the case, then if it's the Seoul Detention Center, I think I'm talking about how to protect them.
[Anchor]
According to what we're getting from within, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has decided to attend today. I think we need to know exactly whether this is a form of voluntary attendance or attendance by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It's coming out right now. A little while ago, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun announced that Yoon Suk Yeol's president has decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today. I just heard that the security guard will leave for the airborne office as soon as he is ready. It took quite a long time in the process of discussing now.
There was nothing about the phrase that excludes the application of Articles 110 and 111 in this warrant. So the security service also protested, and today the People's Power lawmakers took issue with this. I guess that's why the confrontation took a long time with this?
[Jang Sung Ho]
At dawn, if you cross the crosswalk and the overpass at exit 2 of Hangangjin Station, you will find your official residence. In front of the official residence, the KCTU and pro-impeachment people demonstrated, and up there, far away from there, there are quite a lot of anti-impeachment forces on the Han River, I think about 10,000 people came today. That's how I was holding a rally, and in this situation, I started to control it from 4 o'clock, so I came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 4 a.m.
Didn't you start blocking access at 4 o'clock and then start execution at 5 o'clock, so you went in sequentially now? In such a situation, the president said that he would go and be reviewed if he really requested an arrest warrant, but that's not easy, is it?
And since there is a possibility that the security guards who are protecting them will be legally punished for various legal abuse of authority or such, I think they have decided to appear today with the intention that they will go to the scene and be investigated and reveal their unfairness.
[Anchor]
However, if you listen to the president's position from the scene, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police will withdraw from the official residence first, and then leave for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the security is ready to move. Then, around the time of departure for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the president said that he will directly tell the people by fostering them. If the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdraw from the official residence first, is this not an execution but a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
It has to look like a voluntary attendance. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun uses the expression "attendance." So that's what I'm saying, we're willing to do it voluntarily, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not in an environment where they can release their position in real time right now. That's why we have no choice but to listen to President Yoon's story unilaterally.
[Anchor]
I'll have to hear about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for sure.
[Borrowing]
So the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit probably won't try to deny entry. As mentioned earlier, from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the purpose is to execute an arrest warrant. Then, as lawyer Seok Dong-hyun talks now, we will attend and attend, so President Yoon will make a public statement and all these things, so back down from the airborne department and the police who came to arrest you. If it becomes such a situation, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, in a way, it is inevitable that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make concessions on this part because it is a situation where there will be considerable criticism. That's why I think the scuffle is getting quite long.
[Anchor]
As you said, we don't know the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit yet. The position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be delivered when it comes in, but lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that he will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the transfer is ready, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police withdraw first, they will prepare for the transfer of security and depart. And the attendance time will probably take another hour or two, and it is expected to arrive at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit within this morning, he said. And as I went out, the president said that he will speak to the people himself. What should I say?
[Jang Sung Ho]
If you sign a gentleman's agreement and have respect as an incumbent president, doesn't it mean that the president will go on his own if the police leave his official residence for now? We'll see later how this relates to executing an arrest warrant. In that situation, didn't the president say he would announce his position before departing from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? I'll do it confidently. And haven't you had two or three public statements in a while? It's in the same context as that. Anyway, the reason is that I'm sorry to have caused such inconvenience to the whole people from dawn, I think they would say that.
[Anchor]
Given the position that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously come out, it does not consider voluntary attendance. Since he said that the goal is to execute the warrant, it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is continuing the process with a firm will to execute the warrant rather than attending voluntarily. Also, according to the news from the field, it seems that it takes time for the president to talk about meeting with lawmakers. How do I watch this?
[Borrowing]
So now lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said, "We have plans to appear." Then, when the security or airlift department steps down, we will leave as soon as we are ready. We are cooperating in law enforcement in our own way. That's what really highlights the image. I think I'm kind of fighting a public opinion war. In the meantime, what image is given is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police continue to create an image of excessive law enforcement to show off the presence of their institutions. At the same time, he talks like this without respecting the incumbent president, and eventually, I think it's kind of a message to unite the supporters.
So, as a sitting president, we are willing to participate in law enforcement and cooperate in our own way, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are reckless, so what should you do? I feel like I'm sending a message about that story. And in particular, as I said earlier, members of the People's Power came. Members of the People's Power, come in, I want to meet some. If you say it that way, why are the People's Power MPs here now? It means that the arrest warrant should be prevented because it is illegal. I'm talking about the same logic as him. Let's talk together, for example, each lawmaker is a constitutional institution now, so listen to the people about what constitutional institutions come and talk about. I think I'm doing a kind of psychological warfare with public opinion, and the problem is that there is no way for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police to explain and convey their situation in real time.
I think there's going to be a position from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police on these things soon.First of all, only President Yoon's unilateral message is coming out now, and I think this is a public opinion contest to gather supporters.
[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol said that he made the decision inevitably because he was concerned about physical conflict because of the news that citizens were injured and the strong will of the security officials to prevent the execution of the arrest. However, from what has been said since dawn, and from the screen we saw, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not have any staff from the security service preventing entry into the official residence, and there was no physical conflict in the process of entering the official residence. And there were a lot of analyses that the backlash was not as great as we expected during the first round of execution. I think this situation and the presentation are a bit confronting. How do you see it?
[Jang Sung Ho]
It's quite strategic and press play, both. Didn't we see a lot of reports to respond fairly hard to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the enforcement team, and the security team? However, in the case of Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, Director Lee Kwang-woo, and Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, they were just arrested. Aren't you arrested? So I was put in a convoy and went. As our professor just said, strategic things that focus on public opinion are quite strong, and likewise, it is illegal for the arrest warrant to do this as much as possible, and it is illegal for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to investigate rebellion. Nevertheless, since you are issuing an arrest warrant like this, didn't the security office prevent it as much as possible and the presidential lawyers responded strongly to this? By doing so, enough about this to the people, enough about the supporters. And when Kim Ki-hyun spoke with 30 lawmakers in front of his residence this morning, the arrest warrant is illegal, and the rule of law has retreated, which is a trick, expedient and unjustified. Don't fight while talking like this. So put your back on the former lawmakers and the chairman of the committee because of the possibility of obstruction of justice.
[Anchor]
If you look at the screen on the right, you're seeing a number of people going outside through the iron door in front of the official residence. If you look at the screen on the left, it's covered by a tree.Ma is waiting for the vehicle now, and there are a little more people and a lot of movement on both sides, which are a little busier than the previous time. Doors are also being opened frequently. What you hear on the spot is that the president sends a message to the nation before attending? It seems that such preparations are being discussed or negotiated several times. The people inside have come out several times, and it's getting busier than the time before. If you're going to send a message to the nation, where will the president go and where and with what lawmakers?
[Borrowing]
That's what I'm saying. I'm also quite curious. Even if I send a message in front of my official residence, it's not a situation where the camera or microphone can follow me. If so, the investigation authorities who actually execute the arrest warrant cannot allow whether they will walk down and stand in front of the camera in front of the residence. Following the news regarding the execution of the second arrest warrant for President [Anchor]
Yoon, I will tell you from the studio. Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University. The execution is continuing right now. The advance team seems to be checking the security-related preparations at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building. Why is it taking so long?
[Borrowing]
First of all, I think it's a kind of mission of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to execute an arrest warrant against the president, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is strongly insisting on the arrest of the president. Regarding this, the president will voluntarily attend the meeting even now. Whether it's arrest or voluntary attendance, I think he's having a pretty kind of scuffle with President Yoon's lawyers.
The investigation of President Yoon itself is inevitably very different depending on whether he is arrested or voluntarily launched. If it is a situation that is executed by an arrest warrant, first of all, if President Yoon is secured, he can investigate while in custody for 48 hours. However, if you voluntarily attend, it will be difficult to conduct a late-night survey because you came on your own, and if you can't do a late-night survey, you have to send it back.
Then, if we have no choice but to go back to our official residence, if we ask him to appear next time, there will be considerable friction if he doesn't come out like this, so I think President Yoon is thinking that he will not conduct a late-night investigation in the form of voluntary attendance and do it in the way of commuting.
However, in the case of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there have been no cases of voluntary attendance after receiving an arrest warrant once. That's why if we accept this, there will inevitably be a preferential dispute against President Yoon. That's why I think it's taking a lot of time to coordinate these parts.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said its goal is to execute the warrant without considering the form of voluntary attendance, so it seems that they are also discussing this security method now that the principle is to get President Yoon Suk Yeol on a convoy. So what's the difference between taking a bodyguard vehicle and taking a convoy of airmen?
[Jang Sung Ho]
From the president's point of view and from the point of view of the security agency, aren't some of the security agencies going to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for security inspection? Considering those things, we are discussing in detail about the security method, the security environment, and the way of investigating the site, so don't you think there is another way to treat the president of Yoon Suk Yeol because he hasn't been seen yet?
As a sitting president, I don't think there will be such a big disagreement on this part. Is it a convoy or a presidential car? So, rather than this, isn't there a lot of details about how to go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the investigation method, and a lot of other things to check about security?
Therefore, it is quite likely that such a part will take a lot of time, and whether an arrest warrant is executed or voluntary attendance is made here. That part is also really different from both sides. That's why, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we're running out of time within 48 hours by executing the arrest warrant quickly, right? When an arrest warrant is requested within 48 hours, this is likely to be accompanied by a large part of the president for 48 hours, of course by a lawyer, but there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to remain silent.
Normally, I did it on a constitutional basis and at the level of a commander-in-chief. And the rest is whether I can secure something like an arrest warrant for 48 hours with this, when I said it all in the media and in the public declaration. And for example, an arrest warrant request is the same as an arrest warrant, but shouldn't there be a fear of escape or destruction of evidence? I think both sides are quite complicated right now about how these things can be proven and certain things can be brought to the court by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
This is the screen showing the front door of the presidential office. If President Yoon comes out after the security discussion is over, there is the highest probability of him coming out of this screen, so we continue to show him the screen now. As you said, Professor Jang may exercise his right to remain silent. There is a high possibility that the investigation will not proceed smoothly within 48 hours, so does Professor Cha agree?
[Borrowing]
I think there is a 99.9% chance that President Yoon will exercise his right to remain silent if he goes to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, whether arrested or voluntarily launched. Because on the part of President Yoon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the rebellion. That's why they think that a warrant requested and issued by an agency that doesn't have the right to investigate is illegal. That's why I think it's almost zero chance to respond to it because I think it doesn't make sense for an illegal agency to investigate civil war.
Even so, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the exercise of the right to remain silent is the level of the suspect's right to defend himself, so he cannot do anything about it. If so, if it were to be an arrest now, I would ask a number of questions in my own way while holding a person for 48 hours. I heard that you prepared hundreds of questions, but if you exercise your right to remain silent on all questions, what would you do after that? In my opinion, I think that I will issue an arrest warrant.
If so, in the case of an arrest warrant, the court will judge the matter through a warrant review. But now, President Lee Yoon is suspected of being the head of a civil war, and all important mission workers are arrested. In such a situation, no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, I think that no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, there will be no problem proving the charges.
And although there is a high possibility that an arrest warrant will not be issued because there is no fear of escape or destruction of evidence, in a way, there is not much concern that incumbent soldiers will flee even if their subordinates are caught now, right? And while there is a concern of destroying evidence, in the case of President Yoon, the concern of destroying evidence is rather high in the court. Because they refused to comply with the summons to the extent that an arrest warrant was issued, and this is quite the charge of destroying evidence, and most importantly, the severity of the matter.
The allegation that the incumbent president attempted to wage a civil war is so severe that I think a warrant is likely to be issued by the court. Another reason for this is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit received an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. If so, why doesn't President Yoon's side go to the Seoul Central District Court if he claims an arrest warrant for consistency? I think there's a high possibility of controversy because of this.Ma, however, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the Western District Court issued an arrest warrant for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon.
That's why I think it's quite likely that the Airborne Department will also request an arrest warrant from the Western Court, and that's what I think about earlier when it comes to vehicle movement. If it becomes a voluntary appearance, there is a high possibility that it will come out in a security service vehicle, and if you are arrested, you will have no choice but to ride a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If the suspect simply says it now, whether he or she will go to his car or the vehicle appealed by the investigative agency, this means that the characteristics will inevitably differ depending on whether he or she is voluntarily running or arrested. If he or she makes an arrest and moves in a security guard vehicle because of the security problem of the incumbent president, there will be another dispute over preferential treatment. If, for example, investigators and prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot ride together in the security guard vehicle, there will be a problem in escorting him or not. That's why I think it's going to be decided which vehicle to ride depending on the arrest or voluntary departure.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the situation in front of the official residence. People are constantly seen entering and leaving the official residence. We will deliver it as soon as we catch the movement. How did you move to the previous presidents when you went to investigate whether you are transferring to a security car or a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Borrowing]
There's never been an incumbent president to be investigated. That's why this is the first time ever. That is why I remember that the only case that we can refer to is December 3, 1995, which is incomparable to the previous case. According to the May 18 Special Act at the time, former President Chun Doo-hwan, then a former president, fled to Hapcheon. The next day, when the alley explanation was announced early in the morning, the prosecution applied for a preliminary arrest warrant and got it issued at night. After receiving the order, he went to Hapcheon immediately and arrested former President Chun Doo-hwan in his birthplace, and there was a question of how to escort then-President Chun Doo-hwan. At that time, seven years after President Chun Doo-hwan left office, he was being guarded by the police.
However, at that time, the police chief instructed the security team in advance to disarm them, and you should not be allowed to drive your vehicle. So I escorted them into the vehicle that the prosecution investigators took. I transferred from Hapcheon to Anyang Prison at that time, and I took a rest and escorted him for about 3 hours and a half, almost non-stop. In the case of former President Chun Doo-hwan at the time, investigators put their arms on both sides when he was arrested, so what former President Chun Doo-hwan said at the time was, "I'm the president, so don't cross my arms." So the investigators don't cross their arms, but when escorting, we're familiar with the scene, but I don't know because they were escorted in such a way that they sat in the middle of the back seat of the car and investigators sat on both sides.
If we do that again, I think the vehicle is a sitting president.Ma is a suspect, so maybe that way, two investigators will sit on both sides and President Yoon will sit in the middle. In the case of convoy by airlift vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
But like gun rope and handcuffs, if the law is the same, shouldn't it be filled if it's equal? However, if you look at the court's opinion on these things, you can give me some human rights aspects and courtesy, so I'm a guarded, incumbent president, right? It's the first time in history. Therefore, from the standpoint of the incumbent president, if an investigator sits next to him in a car of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the bodyguards should be outside, and there is a high possibility that the bodyguards who protect the president's personal safety should also be considered, so I think there is a possibility that it will be a way to follow the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in a car dedicated to the president.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen right now. The screen on the right shows you at the door of the official residence and the front door of the official residence. If President Yoon shows up, it is expected to come out through that door, so we will have to keep watching. And then the vehicles on the right are the security vehicles waiting at the gate of the official residence. Security guards are on board with some cars on the line. I'm getting off and off, so I think I'm getting ready to move right away.
So far, we have been discussing various security issues, but President Yoon is likely to appear and move as soon as the discussion is over, including the advance party. Aren't you saying that the advance team will first move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building in Gwacheon to discuss various safety issues and organize what's in the field? It is said that they have already prepared an investigation room, a rest facility, and a recording investigation to investigate video, so what security issues should be considered?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not a single building. So, as far as I know, it's in the Gwacheon Government Complex. So when I sent a request for attendance to President Yoon in the first place, I asked him to come on holidays, not weekdays. The reason is that there are other public officials, so there is a possibility of mixing with the general public, and because of that, I told them to appear on holidays due to security issues, but they didn't come out.
If that's the case, today is a weekday even if we're escorting them now. Then, there are people working in other offices, so there are quite a few harmful factors in terms of security. If so, from the perspective of the security agents, go ahead and investigate in which room of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and then introduce various surrounding buildings with harmful factors or all such Gwacheon Office. I think we need to do those kinds of checks. Another thing to keep in mind is that if it is in the form of an arrest, the president's personal life can be avoided for 48 hours.
In that case, what I'm saying now is that he's likely to be imprisoned in a detention center. However, it is the first time in history that an incumbent president is imprisoned in a Seoul detention center. Even in this case, how will you protect him? If so, in the case of Seoul Detention Center, then make a specific area a security space. In my opinion, when I talk to lawyers, if they arrest them, where will they be held for 48 hours? If that's the case, then if it's the Seoul Detention Center, I think I'm talking about how to protect them.
[Anchor]
According to what we're getting from within, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has decided to attend today. I think we need to know exactly whether this is a form of voluntary attendance or attendance by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It's coming out right now. A little while ago, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun announced that Yoon Suk Yeol's president has decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today. I just heard that the security guard will leave for the airborne office as soon as he is ready. It took quite a long time in the process of discussing now.
There was nothing about the phrase that excludes the application of Articles 110 and 111 in this warrant. So the security service also protested, and today the People's Power lawmakers took issue with this. I guess that's why the confrontation took a long time with this?
[Jang Sung Ho]
At dawn, if you cross the crosswalk and the overpass at exit 2 of Hangangjin Station, you will find your official residence. In front of the official residence, the KCTU and pro-impeachment people demonstrated, and up there, far away from there, there are quite a lot of anti-impeachment forces on the Han River, I think about 10,000 people came today. That's how I was holding a rally, and in this situation, I started to control it from 4 o'clock, so I came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 4 a.m.
Didn't you start blocking access at 4 o'clock and then start execution at 5 o'clock, so you went in sequentially now? In such a situation, the president said that he would go and be reviewed if he really requested an arrest warrant, but that's not easy, is it?
And since there is a possibility that the security guards who are protecting them will be legally punished for various legal abuse of authority or such, I think they have decided to appear today with the intention that they will go to the scene and be investigated and reveal their unfairness.
[Anchor]
However, if you listen to the president's position from the scene, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police will withdraw from the official residence first, and then leave for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the security is ready to move. Then, around the time of departure for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the president said that he will directly tell the people by fostering them. If the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdraw from the official residence first, is this not an execution but a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
It has to look like a voluntary attendance. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun uses the expression "attendance." So that's what I'm saying, we're willing to do it voluntarily, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not in an environment where they can release their position in real time right now. That's why we have no choice but to listen to President Yoon's story unilaterally.
[Anchor]
I'll have to hear about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for sure.
[Borrowing]
So the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit probably won't try to deny entry. As mentioned earlier, from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the purpose is to execute an arrest warrant. Then, as lawyer Seok Dong-hyun talks now, we will attend and attend, so President Yoon will make a public statement and all these things, so back down from the airborne department and the police who came to arrest you. If it becomes such a situation, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, in a way, it is inevitable that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make concessions on this part because it is a situation where there will be considerable criticism. That's why I think the scuffle is getting quite long.
[Anchor]
As you said, we don't know the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit yet. The position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be delivered when it comes in, but lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that he will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the transfer is ready, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police withdraw first, they will prepare for the transfer of security and depart. And the attendance time will probably take another hour or two, and it is expected to arrive at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit within this morning, he said. And as I went out, the president said that he will speak to the people himself. What should I say?
[Jang Sung Ho]
If you sign a gentleman's agreement and have respect as an incumbent president, doesn't it mean that the president will go on his own if the police leave his official residence for now? We'll see later how this relates to executing an arrest warrant. In that situation, didn't the president say he would announce his position before departing from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? I'll do it confidently. And haven't you had two or three public statements in a while? It's in the same context as that. Anyway, the reason is that I'm sorry to have caused such inconvenience to the whole people from dawn, I think they would say that.
[Anchor]
Given the position that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously come out, it does not consider voluntary attendance. Since he said that the goal is to execute the warrant, it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is continuing the process with a firm will to execute the warrant rather than attending voluntarily. Also, according to the news from the field, it seems that it takes time for the president to talk about meeting with lawmakers. How do I watch this?
[Borrowing]
So now lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said, "We have plans to appear." Then, when the security or airlift department steps down, we will leave as soon as we are ready. We are cooperating in law enforcement in our own way. That's what really highlights the image. I think I'm kind of fighting a public opinion war. In the meantime, what image is given is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police continue to create an image of excessive law enforcement to show off the presence of their institutions. At the same time, he talks like this without respecting the incumbent president, and eventually, I think it's kind of a message to unite the supporters.
So, as a sitting president, we are willing to participate in law enforcement and cooperate in our own way, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are reckless, so what should you do? I feel like I'm sending a message about that story. And in particular, as I said earlier, members of the People's Power came. Members of the People's Power, come in, I want to meet some. If you say it that way, why are the People's Power MPs here now? It means that the arrest warrant should be prevented because it is illegal. I'm talking about the same logic as him. Let's talk together, for example, each lawmaker is a constitutional institution now, so listen to the people about what constitutional institutions come and talk about. I think I'm doing a kind of psychological warfare with public opinion, and the problem is that there is no way for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police to explain and convey their situation in real time.
I think there's going to be a position from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police on these things soon.First of all, only President Yoon's unilateral message is coming out now, and I think this is a public opinion contest to gather supporters.
[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol said that he made the decision inevitably because he was concerned about physical conflict because of the news that citizens were injured and the strong will of the security officials to prevent the execution of the arrest. However, from what has been said since dawn, and from the screen we saw, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not have any staff from the security service preventing entry into the official residence, and there was no physical conflict in the process of entering the official residence. And there were a lot of analyses that the backlash was not as great as we expected during the first round of execution. I think this situation and the presentation are a bit confronting. How do you see it?
[Jang Sung Ho]
It's quite strategic and press play, both. Didn't we see a lot of reports to respond fairly hard to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the enforcement team, and the security team? However, in the case of Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, Director Lee Kwang-woo, and Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, they were just arrested. Aren't you arrested? So I was put in a convoy and went. As our professor just said, strategic things that focus on public opinion are quite strong, and likewise, it is illegal for the arrest warrant to do this as much as possible, and it is illegal for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to investigate rebellion. Nevertheless, since you are issuing an arrest warrant like this, didn't the security office prevent it as much as possible and the presidential lawyers responded strongly to this? By doing so, enough about this to the people, enough about the supporters. And when Kim Ki-hyun spoke with 30 lawmakers in front of his residence this morning, the arrest warrant is illegal, and the rule of law has retreated, which is a trick, expedient and unjustified. Don't fight while talking like this. So put your back on the former lawmakers and the chairman of the committee because of the possibility of obstruction of justice.
[Anchor]
If you look at the screen on the right, you're seeing a number of people going outside through the iron door in front of the official residence. If you look at the screen on the left, it's covered by a tree.Ma is waiting for the vehicle now, and there are a little more people and a lot of movement on both sides, which are a little busier than the previous time. Doors are also being opened frequently. What you hear on the spot is that the president sends a message to the nation before attending? It seems that such preparations are being discussed or negotiated several times. The people inside have come out several times, and it's getting busier than the time before. If you're going to send a message to the nation, where will the president go and where and with what lawmakers?
[Borrowing]
That's what I'm saying. I'm also quite curious. Even if I send a message in front of my official residence, it's not a situation where the camera or microphone can follow me. If so, the investigation authorities who actually execute the arrest warrant cannot allow whether they will walk down and stand in front of the camera in front of the residence. That's why if you're sending a message, you don't have to stand in front of the camera directly by voice, but rather a written message, or another message, or someone else to convey my meaning to you. But the problem is that if it is a voluntary appearance, you can come down in front of your residence and come to a place with cameras and microphones and do it yourself, but if it's not the scene where you're arrested, I think it's probably not easy for the president to deliver a message directly through voice.
[Anchor]
Several people went inside the iron gate of the official residence. We can't confirm if it's the deputies.Ma was hoping to have an audience with MPs. A number of people went in. It is confirmed on the spot that lawmakers have entered. Through the iron door in front of the official residence, lawmakers have now entered the official residence, and in a moment, the image of the lawmakers entering the official residence is expected to be captured on the left screen. Should I look at it a bit bigger? As you can see, the door is open, and many people are now called lawmakers. You're seeing lawmakers entering the presidential residence to meet the president. What are we going to talk about in the official residence?
[Borrowing]
But in my opinion, I wonder whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police, which are currently executing arrest warrants, will allow lawmakers to enter the official residence. Because a third party is involved in the scene where the arrest warrant is being executed. If I tell you one thing about the past, a warrant was issued for the arrest of Rep. Jeong Hyeong-geun of the Grand National Party in the past. But when the investigators who came to execute came to his house and came in with an arrest warrant, he said he would go to the main room and change his clothes, so he locked the door in the main room and turned the bowl to all the GNP members. So at that time, GNP lawmakers, including President Lee Hoi-chang, went to the living room of lawmaker Jeong Hyeong-geun and eventually blocked it there.
From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, if lawmakers go in and hit a human wall in the living room like that, it can be quite difficult. However, since we don't know whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is controlling the entrance and exit of the official residence, or who is controlling it, the police have penetrated the physical wall of the official residence. If so, the police are likely to control what I think can come and go now, but from the police's point of view, if lawmakers go in and build a human barrier in the living room by saying, "You can't surround President Yoon," it is likely to be the case of lawmaker Jeong Hyeong-geun I mentioned earlier. Actually, I couldn't execute it at the end of the day.
There's a case like that. There are cases like that, so if the execution of the arrest warrant takes all of those situations into account, I think if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police have the authority to control the flow in and out, I don't think they will allow it.
[Anchor]
There are still some such variables before the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit secures President Yoon Suk Yeol's whereabouts. Earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police said that lawmakers and incumbent lawmakers could be arrested if they block the execution of the arrest warrant. Then, in that situation today, do you think if there is a situation where lawmakers are blocking the execution of arrest warrants like that, they will issue arrest warrants?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Wasn't there a situation like that? And when Rep. Kim Ki-hyun and Rep. Na Kyung-won talk about declarative things in the morning, this is the key issue of the arrest warrant being illegal and the regression of the rule of law. And because this is an unjustified airlift. And the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an investigative agency that is not qualified here, but it comes in and does it. While strongly insisting on such a situation, first of all, the obstruction of public affairs begins with a physical fight, rather than words. So, I saw it on the spot, but the lawmakers come out, asking the police several times, but they still don't come out, so they catch and move.
[Anchor]
Did you see it on the spot?
[Jang Sung Ho]
I saw it myself.
[Anchor]
Is this what it looks like this morning?
[Jang Sung Ho]
This is what it looks like this morning. And the chairmen of the outside committee are also not active members, so they bring it up quite strongly, like this. Isn't there a way for police to do so-called enforcement? That's why you can get caught in obstruction of the execution of public affairs, and even a member of the National Assembly can be arrested as a current offender if this happens on the spot, if it's the execution of public affairs. That's why I'm very careful about it. Rather, 30 MPs who went this morning talk behind their backs. When the police come, even if they hold it with their hands, it interferes with the execution of official duties, so when we play soccer, don't goal pickers take a rest and kick the ball in the penalty area? Because of the handling foul. Like that, he's very careful about physical fights.
And from what I've heard from the person holding the microphone on the other side of the impeachment, never follow the law and don't touch the fence and fence set up by the police. Never touch on this and it's safety and we're in violation of the law. In that way, the organizers of the meeting and the organizers of the meeting are paying considerable attention to this. Of course, about 15 people from the opposite side of impeachment were lying down in front of the residence last night on a cold day. I lied down for a long time and protested, so the police came and said they had no choice but to pull it out. That's why if you look at this now, the lawmakers go in and do this, is the decision made in the form of voluntary attendance? That's what I think.
And first of all, even if you want to go to the bathroom, for example at the main gate, you have to take the ticket with you, because there is no bathroom itself. But didn't the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd just open it? From this point of view, don't you think the president has confidence? But why didn't you go out in the first place? I didn't go out because it was illegal. Isn't this what the president's lawyer says? Nevertheless, if I go out and do it, I am confident that I will receive it in court and in the Constitutional Court that this is not an accusation of rebellion, even if I am arrested. That's how I see it, so today's images are to prevent the least amount of mishaps. However, I think that this is not a civil war against the Constitutional Court, but it is not a civil war, but a number of ways to argue that this is a criticism without strong attendance.
[Anchor]
While you're talking, the door to the official residence has opened and several people are going back and forth into the official residence. Now, the door has opened again and some people have come out. Professor Jang, didn't you go to the scene earlier and see the lawmakers and outsiders? What are those lawmakers going to say to the president now in their official residence?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Why don't you do the same? Stand up because the arrest warrant is illegal. The President knows, I'll do that. That's how we comfort each other and worry about each other. Isn't this the time when we block the law with our bodies? I don't think it's that dimension.
[Anchor]
If there are any notable movements on the spot, we will deliver them right away. President Yoon Suk Yeol said that he will move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit this morning. Then you'll be investigated right away, the presidential investigation, who will be in charge today?
[Borrowing]
First of all, is the senior prosecutor Cha Jung-hyun the head prosecutor at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? He is known to be in charge of it. Usually, when former presidents appear in the prosecution in the past, once they enter the prosecution first, a deputy prosecutor, for example, will come to the top of the prosecutor in charge and take a seat to honor them. I don't know because it's a form of investigation under the presence of the senior prosecutor in charge after chattering, but I think if President Yoon is secured in any way, whether he is voluntarily present or arrested at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, he will probably have a chat at the senior prosecutor's office and then lead the investigation immediately.
[Anchor]
As you can see on the screen, this is the entrance to the official residence. I think I can only see the silhouette of Yoon Gap-geun, including Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok. Looking at the red scarf in the back, didn't lawmaker Kim Ki-hyun go to the scene wearing a red scarf? Based on the color of the scarf alone, you can assume that it's Rep. Kim Ki-hyun.
[Jang Sung Ho]
Representative Yoon Sang-hyun also seems to be wearing a red scarf.
[Anchor]
Now, lawyers, including lawmakers, have come to the front of the official residence. Since it came out, it is possible to assume that the interview will be completed within the situation where it has already been organized to some extent rather than any more interviews. We didn't get caught on the screen.Ma is towards Hangangjin Station, and some of the lawyers were also captured on other cameras moving toward the side of the car wall. Then, should we say that legal consultations and discussions are over in the official residence now?
[Borrower]
is not. I think it will probably take a considerable amount of time. President Yoon is talking about voluntary attendance and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is talking about the execution of arrest warrants, so it is not easy for this discussion to be unified. Because we're in different positions. So, how will these parts be compromised? In fact, President Yoon's voluntary appearance itself has already given him three opportunities to appear voluntarily, and when he executed the arrest warrant last time, he eventually refused. What is the situation now after all?
In fact, the fact that President Yoon's voluntary attendance is a level of sincerity in a way because the security agency broke down the barrier. And from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police, they have no choice but to face the criticism that this kind of law enforcement is worse than the situation where no arrest warrant has been issued at all, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police will not easily back down, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdrew in five and a half hours when the first arrest warrant was executed.
There was a lot of criticism about it. Because of such a situation, even after the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police mobilized such a huge number of people, they eventually failed to arrest President Yoon and President Yoon voluntarily appeared, so I don't know the truth. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it is a kind of situation where we talk about the existence of the organization, the crisis, and so on, so I think there is little room for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to step back. From the police's point of view, it would not be easy for President Yoon to respond to a compromise in such a way in this current situation, and that's why President Yoon's lawyer is talking to the end. In the end, from lawyer Seok Dong-hyun's point of view, as I said earlier, we are cooperating in our own way, but I think they are talking about that to convey the image that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are holding out on this level of organizational selfishness.
[Anchor]
It seems that more people are gathered in front of the official residence. We haven't moved or seen anything like that yet. However, many people inside the official residence have come out and are waiting at the site. What you said earlier was analyzed that there is not much room to back down at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, what do you think Professor Jang?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Nevertheless, isn't it the first time in history that you're a sitting president? That's why there are many things to consider, and everything has to be done according to practice, but there's no practice. Therefore, there is a high possibility that the two sides will have a long quarrel, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit would think it most reasonable to deal with it according to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Act, but from the president's point of view, don't you think there are many things, including security for the president?
That's why it takes a lot of time to coordinate that between the two sides.
Nevertheless, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the morning, so I wonder if there has been a big agreement. Isn't it quite likely that the national conflict now, if you go and request an arrest warrant and then resolve it rationally rather than in extreme situations? I don't think this is the end, it's the beginning again. In this situation, it is impossible to fathom how far this division of opinion will go, but in that situation, you don't know where the public's public sentiment will go right now, right? Now is the time for criticism of the president. Looking at the recent public trends in conservative and progressive opinion, hasn't it changed? In such a situation, I think the law should be followed, but it should be sought as a way to heal and minimize national conflicts.
[Anchor]
As we continue to zoom in on the on-site screen, there are areas where the focus is a little blurry or a little blurry. I want to ask our viewers to understand about this. At the scene, some people who seem to be members of the People's Power are waiting outside and some people seem to be going inside. It's understood that it's been interviewed several times, but I think I need to check that. If the arrest warrant is executed today, isn't it 48 hours after the convoy? If you voluntarily attend, you won't even get that countdown, right?
[Borrowing]
That's right. There's no countdown. So the reason why President Yoon talks about voluntary attendance is that if the suspect refuses, he cannot even conduct a late-night investigation. Then, for example, at around 7 or 8 o'clock, if you exercise your right to remain silent after the investigation is over, there is no reason to read the record. Actually, I didn't tell you anything. Then, it becomes a situation where you can go back to your official residence at around 7 or 8, so I think the president is sticking to the voluntary attendance format. If it is possible to execute an arrest warrant, President Yoon can detain people for 48 hours, so in that case, he will be transferred to the Seoul Detention Center as reported.
In that case, another new history is created in Korea, which is not a good history, but a really dark history. If an incumbent president is detained in a detention facility, this is a situation where he has no choice but to become a real big person in the image of the Republic of Korea, so it doesn't seem so desirable to anyone.In a way, President Yoon himself caused all this situation. In fact, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit voluntarily participated in the investigation, it would not have gone to this situation. However, after making this situation, I think that the absolute majority of public opinion will turn very critically on these parts, asking me to be in the form of voluntary attendance now.
[Anchor]
As the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit states, there is no precedent for voluntary attendance when an arrest warrant is issued and execution is carried out. Then, if you move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the form of voluntary attendance today, you don't need to request an arrest warrant within 48 hours, so how will it proceed?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Wouldn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit be able to secure enough time? In the same way, this is said because he is an incumbent president. Don't you usually get off work at 6 o'clock? upon investigation Then, at 6 o'clock, I ask the investigator. If the investigator tells the suspect, would you like to proceed with the night investigation from now on? Then, if you don't agree, you can't do it, in terms of human rights. Therefore, from the president's point of view, there is nothing to answer even if he keeps silent, so even if he keeps silent, then he comes back to his official residence and appears again, and from the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, isn't it the purpose of President Yoon Suk Yeol to request an arrest warrant in the end? As such, the president wants to do it, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit wants to execute it, detain it for 48 hours, and take judicial action through it. Anyway, it seems that there are some clues to a big framework of resolution and compromise between the two sides in the morning. Nevertheless, everything is new, so I think there are a lot of things to worry about.
[Anchor]
After the first round of execution failures, lawmakers, didn't you go to the front of your official residence and participate in the rally? At that time, when President Yoon, who was in the official residence, asked me to eat together, I didn't respond. I drew some lines there, but today, we're having an interview, and as you can see, a lot of lawmakers are gathered, as you can see on the left screen. What kind of situation has changed from then on, so did the lawmakers respond to the interview today? The car just came in, shall we take a look? The vehicle was originally at the front gate of the residence, and it seems that the deputies have also been moving since the vehicle was moved. Let's take a look at the screen on the left. Since it looks a little different from now, the lawmakers were out after the interview, and several vehicles are moving through the iron door in front of the official residence. As you can see on the right. And on the left, we continue to track and show the moving images of the lawmakers at the front door of the official residence.
If you look at the screen on the right again, it's a minivan. The minivan is on the move and the majority of the other people are going back outside. If President Yoon comes out, I wanted to show him coming out of the main gate of the official residence on the left screen and moving back to the iron door on the right screen, but it has not been caught yet. Since we're continuing to show you different screens right now, we'd like to ask our viewers to understand that the screens we're showing are a little shaky or disconnected. Some vehicles and security vehicles in front of the iron gate of the official residence also moved. Let's take a look at it a little more. The security vehicle was originally at the iron door in front of the official residence, but it moved. Shall we zoom in a bit?
As you can see, the security vehicles are moving through the path in front of the residence where the cordon of the residence was located, but it has not been confirmed yet whether President Yoon was on board.Considering that several vehicles are moving, it is presumed that President Yoon's movement is imminent. I think we need to keep looking at the on-site screen now. There are quite a lot of people gathered toward the iron gate of the official residence. I'm moving to the official residence, but if you show me the iron door of the official residence in installments, I'll show you the iron door of the official residence. All the vehicles are now moving toward the iron gate of the official residence. Considering that the average president's moving vehicles are moving all the way, there is a possibility that the president is imminent or inside, right?
[Borrowing]
I think the president is on the move now. I've been a Cheong Wa Dae reporter for about two and a half years, so I've been to a lot of presidential events. Looking at the line of vehicles being escorted now, I can see the president moving. The situation on the ground is not known exactly yet, but there are so many vehicles moving together, right? If that's the case, I carefully observe the possibility that the president got on there.
[Anchor]
Since we're showing you the on-site screen, the screen is a little disconnected. I would like to ask the viewers to understand that once again. If you look at the screen now, you'll see Professor Jang before coming out of his official residence. You can see the road with a car wall near Han River Jin Station after coming out of your official residence, right? Let me look at the screen a little bit.
[Jang Sung Ho]
The wall was built up to the triple car wall in the morning, and now I think the president is riding there. I think it's a presidential vehicle, but didn't the lawmakers come down from inside the official residence and wave their hands a little while ago? He appeared to wave at the president. And then the president starts, and then the lawmakers walk down and come down to the official residence, and there's the Han Riverjin Public Parking Lot. The president now appears to be getting in and moving in a presidential car because lawmakers' cars are parked there.
[Anchor]
But that vehicle is a security vehicle right now. It's important whether the president is in a convoy or a security vehicle. [Cha Jae-won] I think there will be a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in that group of cars, but the problem is that we don't know which car the president is in right now. But there's a sika in front of you right now. Saikas are now controlling traffic.
Since we are in traffic control, I think there is almost a 90% chance that it is a vehicle that the president is in. In this situation, the distance is only about 15km, so if I control it like that, I think I'll arrive in Gwacheon in 15 minutes. If I get off, there are cameras in front of the airborne office in Gwacheon, so I think I can know exactly from there. And I think we can probably find out whether the president got in and what kind of vehicle the president got in by looking at the scene when he arrived. Looking at the moving scene, I think it's the president's vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
In the case of the minivan in the back, I saw the car that arrived in front of the official residence at 4 a.m. inside...
[Anchor]
Is this an airlift?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Were the investigators of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit on board at the time? That's why investigators don't move together, I think so.
[Anchor]
The screen we're showing you now, as you can see, the police Saika controlled the road to some extent in front of us. After that, the number of presidential security vehicles decreased and moved. The vehicles believed to have been carried by President Yoon Suk Yeol appear to be moving out of the official residence and to the airlift, but if it is not blocked because it is 17-18km away, President Yoon Suk Yeol will arrive at the airlift within 30 minutes even if it takes about 20 minutes to control it like that. Earlier, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that President Yoon Suk Yeol would send a message through voice, but that hasn't come out yet.
[Borrowing]
They say they met with lawmakers in the morning. I think they'll probably send a message through the MPs, and they'll come down to the front of the residence and meet the journalists. I think there is a high possibility that they will meet and convey the president's position now. The question is whether it is an arrest or a voluntary appearance, and I wonder how the compromise was reached.
[Anchor]
If you look at it, it comes out toward Hangangjin Station and the screen you see is the entrance to the Gyeongbu Expressway. If you pass the Gyeongbu Expressway and go to Gwacheon Government Complex, it will be about 17 kilometers, and if traffic control is carried out in advance, you will be able to go there in less than 20 minutes or 15 minutes, as Professor Cha said earlier, but the key here is that the president is riding a security vehicle, and there is no presidential vehicle. I can't see the convoy. Even if you travel in a security vehicle, can you accept it as a warrant execution, that is, a convoy? Or should I see it as a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
In my opinion, if it's the level of warrant execution now, of course, you have to ride a convoy. If the president is in the form of a voluntary appearance, he has to ride a security vehicle, but he can probably compromise like this. For example, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit makes an arrest, but in order to honor the president, we will allow the security vehicle to that extent. I will make concessions. We cannot rule out the possibility that such a compromise has been reached. If that happens, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit gives preferential treatment, so we cannot be free from such criticism.
[Jang Sung Ho]
And isn't there a possibility that the president's opinion to the public, because there are a lot of reporters in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Anchor]
Do you think it's possible that the president will show up? Before we go in...
[Jang Sung-ho]
From the president's point of view, aren't you confident about this? Because I'm confident, I'm in a position to have that opportunity on purpose. Isn't it necessary for the president to gather supporters as well? Therefore, I think there is a possibility of expressing an opinion in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
The Joint Investigation Headquarters has come in now. I said I would let you know because I had a lot of inquiries, but it was about 10:33 or 9 minutes ago. About nine minutes ago, he announced that he had executed an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol. We talked about these two forms, voluntary attendance or arrest, and according to the Joint Investigation Headquarters, an arrest warrant was executed for President Yoon Suk Yeol at 10:33.
[Borrowing]
If this happens, the identity of President Yoon becomes clear. Then, if you say execution of an arrest warrant, you can be detained for 48 hours. If such a situation occurs, the investigation will be conducted properly as we previously said, and if the investigation is completed today, it is highly likely that the president's recruits will go to the Seoul Detention Center rather than to the residence. Since it becomes another completely new dimension and another dimension to this situation, how much will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit prepare for these parts and how will the security office secure the security space for the Seoul Detention Center as mentioned earlier? I think work on these areas should be done quickly.
And in most cases, in the case of the appearance of these very important suspects, you create a photo line. Maybe you don't know, but I think the media companies in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit have created a photo line. Then, whether President Yoon will stand on the photo line, stand and talk about his position, or just go in, that's one thing to watch.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen. I'm showing President Yoon's movement. It is predicted that vehicles will appear at the Public Offices Office building in Gwacheon Government Complex in a little while. Since our reporters are waiting inside the airborne office, we will show you the scene once again when we enter the airborne office. Then, what will happen to the future procedures? What if we arrive at the airlift?
[Jang Sung Ho]
As you just said, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should come out to greet you briefly and have a cup of tea, otherwise wouldn't the deputy prosecutor come out to greet the president and immediately start investigating? Starting with Cha Jung-hyun, don't you think there are about 200 pages of two prosecutors prepared for the president? After investigating it, President Yoon Suk Yeol will also have the president and one presidential lawyer present to investigate it, and there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to silence other than confirming his identity at first.
[Anchor]
There are so many questionnaires prepared by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that there are more than 200 pages, so can this amount be completed in one day today?
[Borrowing]
First of all, if President Yoon makes a statement about it one by one, and if the investigative prosecutor is fighting or asking additional questions, it would be less than 48 hours. However, if you exercise everything with the right to remain silent, I don't think the amount of 200 pages itself means much. Perhaps, as many have observed, President Yoon believes that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is exercising illegal investigation rights, so I think there is a very high possibility that he will not open his mouth to the investigation.
[Anchor]
But didn't the countdown of 48 hours go in? Now, didn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit talk about the part that needs to be used with the prosecution for 48 hours?
[Cha Jae-won]
Regarding the prosecution part, the joint investigation headquarters is related to the police and the prosecution is excluded now, so it is likely that they will not cooperate with the prosecution. The problem is that the prosecution has the right to prosecute President Yoon. Therefore, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit thinks strategically in this sense, there is a possibility that the prosecution may consider something that can be involved in the investigation process.Ma, however, I don't think it will give much room for the investigative agency's actions.
[Anchor]
At this time, we're showing the airlift to the right. Various vehicles are entering National Security The president's security vehicles that you've seen so far have not yet been revealed. Considering the departure time, it seems that the presidential security vehicles of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will appear within 5 to 10 minutes. President Yoon's statement or his message is expected to come out in a little while, and we'll deliver that as soon as the discourse comes in from the field. Then, you have now predicted that you will exercise the right to remain silent other than the discourse, so what will be included in the discourse?
[Jang Sung Ho]
First of all, he said he was sorry to the public, but he said he would do such a thing and confidently investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but he said that it was illegal because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no right to investigate, so he expressed that this unfair law enforcement, the judicial system that can correct it, is shaking, not only through lawyers but also through lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. Since I am aware of the situation, I think I have no choice but to talk about the principle of going to the court and arguing about what the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has raised so far, using this collapsing judicial system as an opportunity to correct it.
[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has expressed his position several times, and in his statement, he initially sent a message to the people, but later expressed it as a patriotic citizen. If I make a statement this time, would it be a message to the people or a message to patriotic citizens?
[Borrowing]
Last time, he used the expression "patriotic citizen," so he faced criticism for dividing the people considerably. From that point of view, I think I would probably make a public statement like this. First of all, if you say you're going to speak today, why did I have no choice but to respond to the arrest or these parts, and those parts should probably avoid bloodshed now. So I think I'll probably say that I had no choice but to respond on a grand scale. Nevertheless, since the investigation right of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself is illegal, I will exercise my right to defend my right. I think that's how much I'll talk about it. On the other hand, I think that the part to be included in the message to the people will eventually emphasize the legitimacy of martial law once again.
[Anchor]
I'm showing you the re-execution screen of the arrest warrant. The air conditioner started moving from 4:30 a.m. today. Since the first cordon was passed at around 7:30 and the arrest warrant was presented at 5:30, the execution of the arrest warrant was completed in about 5 hours after the arrest warrant was presented, and President Yoon's side is now considered to be moving to the airlift office along with the security vehicle. On the right, you're looking at the correspondent's screen waiting for the president's security vehicles at this time. On the left, you see the president's vehicles moving around at this time. In a moment, the presidential security car... I see it now. If you look at the airlift on the right, you can see Sika right now, right? It seems that the presidential security vehicle is coming in. Police personnel are controlling the vehicles earlier. You're looking at the airlift at this time. You are watching the presidential security vehicles coming into the airlift in real time.
[Anchor]
While we're talking, lawyer Seo Jeong-bin will also appear. At 10:33, the Joint Investigation Headquarters said they executed an arrest warrant for the president. And there's a 48-hour deadline. However, since it is the first time that an incumbent president has been arrested and investigated, I think there will be unexpected variables. What are the parts?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Likewise, it is expected that all basic procedures will be carried out, as in the previous investigation of suspects. However, considering the claims made by President Yoon during the investigation process, especially the claims that such procedures should be carried out in accordance with the president's courtesy, there seems to be a good possibility that he will eventually refuse to make statements while pointing out the issue of investigative rights during the investigation process, and such statements can be conducted, such as refusing to make overall statements. So, in this regard, compared to other such cases, it can be expected that there will be delays in the investigation or difficulties in smooth progress.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the screen right now. Some of the security vehicles parked in front of the Public Offices Office building in Gwacheon Government Complex and security personnel got out of the car. I got off the train. I should say it's Bon University now. I think I'm waiting for the vehicle with the president to come in. Looking at you going into the parking lot, you don't seem to be standing in the photo line, do you? [CHA JAE WON] I see that aspect. I don't know exactly where we are right now.Ma first of all, the parts that prevent the president's appearance from being exposed, and since he is an incumbent president from the perspective of the security office, I think he probably escorted him to the cover-up facility in that way to block such harmful factors in advance.
[Anchor]
Some lawmakers also seem to have come together, as I can see Yoon Sang-hyun. I could see it in the front.I think I need to watch it again. I think the president's statement will come in a little while. If the conversation comes in, we'll show you right away. What you see is in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I could see some of the president getting off and going in.
[Anchor]
I just saw a figure who is believed to be the president of Yoon Suk Yeol entering from behind. It seems that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol covered it like this and made him enter so as not to expose himself entering.
[Anchor]
The parking vehicle has entered the parking lot now, but some security vehicles have not turned the vehicle diagonally outside? So, the oblique vehicle seems to be a measure taken by the security service to cover the appearance of President Yoon entering. As the security service covered President Yoon's entry with some vehicles, it seems that President Yoon's appearance was only slightly seen from the back. I think the contents of the presidential statement have just come in. I think I recorded it in advance and came in, so I'll take a look.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
My fellow citizens, how have you been? Thank you so much for supporting me and giving me a lot of support.
Unfortunately, the law is all broken in this country. It is truly deplorable to see a warrant issued to an agency without investigation rights, a court without a warrant examination rights to issue arrest and search warrants, and to see an investigative agency forcefully proceed with this illegal illegal act of deceiving the people by issuing false official documents.
Even if I am disadvantaged like this, I really don't want this to happen when our people experience such criminal cases in the future. When I saw them break into the security area using fire equipment today, I decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, although it is an illegal investigation, to prevent unsavory bloodshed.
However, I do not admit to the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. As a president who must protect the constitution and legal system of the Republic of Korea, responding to these illegal and invalid procedures is not an acknowledgment of this, but a heart to prevent unsavory bloodshed.
Seeing the people, especially our young people, re-recognize the importance of liberal democracy and show their passion for it, I have come to think that the future of this country is hopeful even though the law is broken and it is a pitch-dark time.
My fellow citizens, please stay healthy and cheer up. Thank you.
[Anchor]
We listened to President Yoon's public statement twice in a row. The first thing is, unfortunately, the law is all broken in this country. This is the story. How did you hear President Yoon's first rant now?
[Borrowing]
I think you just said what I predicted earlier. So the reason I had no choice but to respond today was to prevent unsavoury bloodshed. Nevertheless, I will not admit the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has requested an illegal warrant and it is not a warrant issued by a competent court. That's why, as we mentioned earlier, I think we said we would exercise the right to remain silent even if it were to happen today. He also said that he decided to comply with the attendance of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Perhaps the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit says it's an arrest, but I think President Yoon's side is quite likely to call it a voluntary attendance.
And on the other hand, I asked if I would talk about the patriotic citizens we talked about earlier today or the public opinion, but in terms of content, I talked about the people on the video, but I am literally focusing on the patriotic citizens who supported me. There are much more public opinion in favor of impeachment against President Yoon and want to execute an arrest warrant. However, I think it is quite regrettable that there was no single message to the general public.
[Anchor] [Chapter ∀] What did you think?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Nevertheless, hasn't the president expressed such a position, and the president has sent a message to the public several times? 12. 3 After martial law was invoked. I think it's in line with that. I will not admit the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit This is in line with the context of various members of the People's Power, including Rep. Kim Ki-hyun, in the morning. And haven't the president's approval rating and the people's approval rating been rising considerably recently?
So, in a way, I will nevertheless put a great deal of effort into reestablishing this crumbling judicial system. In order to do that, the people ask you to use your strength, and in this way, the message to the people is directed toward the support base, and isn't our society going to the extremes right now? Isn't it natural that politicians appeal to those who support the president in this situation?
So, no matter what kind of trial the Constitutional Court takes, regardless of whether it is seeking an arrest warrant in the law or proceeding with the trial, there will be quite a big clash between conservative and progressive supporters in front of the Constitutional Court. An ambulance came today and one person was carried away, and there was no special incident, but there is a high possibility of a much more confrontational incident in the Constitutional Court in the future, so isn't there such an illegal dispute if you don't do this reasonably within the legal framework?
Then I'll go back because the president voluntarily attended after work hours, what would the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit do if I did that? Isn't there no precedent because all of these things are in a position where you have to deal with this legally as a sitting president? That's the problem. The same goes for the Constitutional Court now. Wouldn't the president attend the Constitutional Court in this position? Then, I think the volatility of the president's remarks at the Constitutional Court is quite high because it spreads quickly through so-called KakaoTalk through the supporters.
[Anchor]
We are showing you several times that we have arrived at the Presidential Corruption Investigations Unit. Now that we are entering the front gate of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the main gate of the Gwacheon Government Complex, we are entering the main gate of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but I don't know if President Lee's vehicle is temporary. It is entering the parking lot, and the vehicle that follows is blocking the view of the president as he stops the vehicle horizontally to prevent reporters from filming. Let's take a look again. First of all, the vehicle with the president on board has entered the rear-end space like this. As soon as I entered, the vehicle that followed entered the street again, and I blocked the president from entering the scene to prevent him from being captured by the reporters' cameras.
It's going up so fast. Viewers... Let's watch it again. This is what it looks like. I went into President Yoon's Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and said that illegality is being committed illegally. In lawyer Seo's view, what are the illegal things that President Yoon said in his statement? President
[Seo Jung-bin]
Yoon has been mentioning that he has no right to investigate whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate, and the Western District Court, which issued the warrant, does not have the authority to review the warrant here either. And nevertheless, the warrant issued is of course illegal, and the process of executing the warrant is bound to be illegal. So we announced that these things are illegal and illegal in the end. Looking at the contents of the statement, President Yoon himself explained the contents that were previously released through the lawyers himself. If so, wouldn't he eventually make such a statement during today's investigation process that there are many illegal elements? Furthermore, it seems to be expected that this argument will be consistently asserted in the course of the trial that may proceed later.
[Anchor]
The Joint Investigation Headquarters executed an arrest warrant at 10:33. In the 53rd minute, President Yoon Suk Yeol arrived at the airlift. And now, we will be investigated on the third floor of the 5th building of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, so shall we start the investigation right away?
[Jeongbin Seo]
First of all, I expect it to take a little time. Before proceeding with the investigation, it seems that the necessary procedures will be checked a little more, but for example, whether or not to record the video now, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit seems to be saying that it will conduct a video investigation. However, it may be burdensome for President Yoon to leave such video evidence, especially when such video evidence is left, and the independent evidence capability of the trial is recognized, so it is not evaluated as evidence, but if the investigation is conducted for a long time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can analyze the recorded video once again and conduct more thorough investigations, so those parts may be a little burdensome for President Yoon. So, I can disagree on this, and I think that we will coordinate and proceed with such procedures before conducting any investigation.
[Anchor]
When I saw the statement, I said that it was deplorable to see a warrant issued to an agency that did not have the right to investigate and a court that did not have the right to examine the warrant issued a search warrant. Then, is it helpful to make a statement when I go in now? Should I say that I'm more likely to exercise the right to remain silent?
[Jeongbin Seo]
It is difficult to judge which one is more helpful, but given the contents so far, I think they will eventually exercise the right to remain silent. In fact, even if this right to refuse to make a statement is exercised, it is not used unfavorably in investigations or subsequent trials. Even if such information is revealed that he refused to make a statement at the trial, it is eventually evaluated through the evidence, so President Yoon is not burdened with exercising his right to refuse to make a statement, so I think he will refuse to make a statement in the end. On the other hand, in the current situation, we'll need to look at what's coming out of that trial, where the other trial is just beginning anyway, and the trials of those involved are starting. So, rather than making a statement at a little earlier, I think most of the statements will be rejected as previously stated through the lawyers.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol refuses to make a statement today, if he exercises his right to remain silent, what part of the 48-hour period will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit focus on?
[Jeongbin Seo]
In the end, we will ask specific questions about abuse of authority and allegations of rebellion for 48 hours, whether there is a statement or not. Even if you refuse to make a statement, you can continue to ask questions that have been prepared and write that you do not state them, so it seems that all the questions that have been prepared will be examined in this regard. In the end, the contents of those questions started from December 3rd to see if there were any circumstances prepared for such a declaration of martial law, whether there were any specific instructions to whom on that day, what direct instructions were given to the commanders in the military, what were the situations before the arrest warrant was eventually executed, and whether there were any special instructions regarding the security service. I think you've prepared these contents, so I think there will be a lot of questions about this.
[Anchor]
From the execution of the warrant to the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to the detention, there seems to be a lot of concerns because it is unprecedented in a way, but how is the detention done?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If you apply for a preliminary arrest warrant, it is expected that the Seoul Detention Center in Uiwang-si will hold detention for now until the trial. Specifically, I don't think I've been able to confirm what kind of preparations are being made at the Seoul Detention Center, but since I'm the president now, of course, I think I'll prepare a room where I can stay alone in this case and stay there until the warrant-related trial begins.
[Anchor]
If the suspect exercises the right to remain silent, what part of the court that will decide to issue a warrant looks at and makes a judgment?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If you apply for a pre-arrest warrant, the main reason for judging the warrant is that one is the significance of the charge, how serious the charge is, and the rest are feared to escape or destroy evidence. Of course, it is not always possible to conclude that there is a fear of escape or destruction of evidence in itself, but if the evidence presented to the warrant judge shows that the suspect refuses to make a statement despite the fact that the charges have been proven, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit may argue that there will be a risk of escape or destruction of evidence in the future if he is released or returned home compared to his previous attitude. Therefore, this point may be a little unfavorable to the judge if he refused to make a statement in issuing a warrant.
[Anchor]
Didn't the ruling party lawmakers interview the president before he headed to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? Based on the statements, the president probably talked to the ruling party members, but will the ruling party's offensive continue in the future?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the ruling party is saying that it will propose an emergency martial law independent counsel law in relation to the civil war. That's why, looking at the president's message today, hard-line lawmakers are asking the leadership to provide the special prosecution law on emergency martial law, which is quite high. In any case, from President Yoon's point of view, he appealed to the supporters who supported him once more, so from the point of view of the lawmakers who went to his residence, they are likely to take the lead in amplifying such voices. And as we mentioned earlier today, what vehicle will the president ride when he leaves his official residence and moves? I told you about that. But if you look at it now, the vehicle that the president is in is a vehicle with a flashlight. When I see that, I think I'm in a security guard vehicle. If so, it is highly likely that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made concessions to the extent that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not take the convoy prepared by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but rather in the process of arresting and executing it. In the case of those who think critically about these parts, they may say that they gave preferential treatment, but in my opinion, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit seems to have focused more on securing the president's whereabouts in some way, as they moved to the security agency's vehicle.
[Anchor]
As you just said, can we still make the issue legal for moving in a bodyguard vehicle?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Since the convoy method is not specifically stipulated by law, it seems a little difficult to question this based on legal grounds. Of course, as the story goes, compared to the parties to other issues, this is not a special treatment, and this is not equal in the end, but there is no specific regulation on this, and on the other hand, the execution of the arrest warrant is completed in the end, and I think it is meaningless to discuss this part because I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can partially understand and make concessions and proceed with the transfer in the process.
[Anchor]
Politically, if there is a controversy over preferential treatment, the opposition party is likely to take this as the opposition party and launch an offensive against the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Wouldn't the ruling party be heading to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as the ruling party is doing?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Of course, the confrontation between the ruling party and the opposition party is very important for Yoon Suk Yeol's political position in the future, regardless of the impeachment phase, right? Therefore, from a political association's point of view, these are very important from a politician's point of view because the current people's power and the Democratic Party's approval rating are almost close, and some predict that this could be golden cross. So, about 30 lawmakers came out to their official residence at 4 a.m. to argue that the arrest warrant is illegal, deceiving, expedient, and unjustified, is not irrelevant to the current indicator of public opinion. I don't know what will happen to the president's legal action if he goes out like this, but aside from that, I don't know what will happen to the president's judicial process, his arrest, and then the second arrest warrant.
Once this is done, where will this arrow go? There is a high possibility that it will go to the Democratic Party of Korea and Chairman Lee Jae-myung. That has been the case if you look at the history of our people and the history of Korean politics. If one side is completely judged or ended, the heat like this deterioration will then be directed to the other side, so there is a high possibility that it will become turbulent Korean politics in the future. Every corner of the country has these things of the incumbent president, so when politicians collude with their supporters, isn't there a big explosion when it's connected? So, politicians say that our system, the rule of law, politics, and constitutional order are the things that turn chaos into order. If the conflict deepens through the connection with the supporters like this, public opinion will be divided, and if that happens, the constitutional order will likely be in jeopardy again, so aren't politicians going in the opposite direction? Therefore, in the end, I think the damage will inevitably be lost to our people.
[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has moved to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and will start investigating soon, but he may be doing it. Let me go through the legal process. Is it highly likely that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will decide whether to request an arrest warrant or not within 48 hours, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will claim it for now?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Looking at the situation so far, I think there is a high possibility of claiming. First of all, I failed in the first warrant execution, and I think it's the last time I've executed the second arrest warrant, so it's a little hard to imagine that I'm going to investigate today or by tomorrow and go home right away. Also, isn't there a lot of external criticism of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? As a result, isn't there a high possibility of requesting an arrest warrant? In fact, if he returns home, additional investigations will be clearly needed from then on, but it is unclear whether President Yoon will voluntarily attend or not, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will conduct the investigation today on the premise of requesting a preliminary arrest warrant.
[Anchor]
Didn't President Yoon not appear on the first impeachment hearing date? If President Yoon's side is to be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit now, what will happen to the second hearing tomorrow?
[Seo Jung-bin]
The first round was closed in almost 4 minutes because he was absent, and in terms of content, several objections were dismissed and ended. However, even if President Yoon does not attend the impeachment trial tomorrow, if he does not attend, he can proceed without attendance from the next date. However, if he does, it would be a little difficult for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to hold him to attend the impeachment trial. If he clearly expresses his intention, he could actually attend the impeachment trial.
[Anchor]
The kind that comes back in after being present during the investigation...
[Jeongbin Seo]
I think that's a possibility.
[Anchor]
In the meantime, President Yoon Suk Yeol has repeatedly said that he will be judged by the Constitutional Court before the investigation. Then, how likely is there that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol in the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will say that I will go to the Constitutional Court tomorrow or attend?
[Borrowing]
I can't rule out the possibility of that. I think the possibility has increased relatively. From President Yoon's point of view, it is highly likely that he would rather go to the Constitutional Court to tell his story because he has continued to say that the impeachment trial should be conducted first, and he does not recognize the investigation right of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself. And another thing that I'm concerned about right now is what did you say earlier today? I told him that I decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. From his point of view, there is a high possibility that he will claim that he has voluntarily started. That's why I won't do a late-night survey after today's survey, then I'll go home. I'm going back to my official residence. I can't rule out the possibility of arguing like this at all. So, we can't rule out a situation where President Yoon could argue that we were in voluntary attendance, not responding to the arrest, and say that the car we just got in is why we were in the security service vehicle.
[Anchor]
But if you announce your intention to return home after doing so, can't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit exercise the force to execute the warrant?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Of course it is. Until now, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has been considering it as a warrant execution process and has actually moved, so this is the result of the warrant execution, not voluntary attendance, which is why we can investigate for 48 hours according to the law and therefore cannot arbitrarily return home.
[Anchor]
We continue to show President Yoon entering the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building on a still screen captured by the camera. If we announce our intention to attend the second hearing of the Constitutional Court tomorrow, wouldn't the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit go nowhere again? What do you think, Professor Chang?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Isn't the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit supposed to be idle anyway? I think there is a 100% chance of exercising the right to remain silent. And didn't the statement just now make it clear that we can't admit the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit investigation? So, I didn't respond because I made this expression illegally and illegally. However, as the professor said, we should go to the Constitutional Court as soon as possible. I wanted to go out on the first date last time, but I couldn't go out now because of the arrest warrant, right? So, I think there is a high possibility that he will go out and explain himself in the second hearing tomorrow.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol goes to the second hearing tomorrow, there were many predictions that the Constitutional Court would speed up quickly if the hearing date proceeds without a suspect, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol goes out and expresses his position, will the speed of the Constitutional Court change?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Personally, I don't think that's necessarily the case. They have already revealed specific details through lawyers and agents, and they are making very various claims. I've filed a number of objections. Therefore, regardless of whether President Yoon is present or not, wouldn't the referee be considerably longer through the delegation? I was expecting the opinion that it could be a little longer than expected, but even if President Yoon attends, I think he will use the defense logic revealed through the existing lawyers, so I don't think attending will delay the judgment.
[Anchor]
It seems that there have been several consultations during the execution of the warrant by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. According to the breaking news from the police, there were many rumors that the deputy bodyguard would execute an arrest warrant in the first place and that he did, but the police did not arrest the deputy bodyguard, Lee Kwang-woo, and Kim Sung-hoon. So, the deputy security chief and the head of the security headquarters accepted the claim because they insisted that President Yoon's security was a priority and did not arrest him immediately. In the end, the two deputy bodyguards, Kim Sung-hoon and Lee Kwang-woo, promised to attend, and now the news that they are guarding the president came through the police as a breaking news on the scene. There seem to have been various consultations, but it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has accepted it to some extent, right?
[Borrowing]
That's right. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, why do you want to execute the arrest warrant for the deputy chief of security and the head of security? In fact, I think it's very likely that the security agents resisted the orders of the deputy chief of security by psychological agitation because the primary purpose is to block the physical barriers of the security guards. So, in fact, if the security agents did not create a physical wall, there is no reason to worry about the arrest of the deputy chief of security and the head of the security headquarters from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Even so, the arrest warrant was not executed, but I don't think that they will be charged with violating the actual law in the future and obstructing the execution of public affairs. Even if it's discussed later, since everything is focused on the arrest of President Yoon now, if this is done, I think the secondary problem can be put off.
[Anchor]
Former Chief Park Jong-joon has already attended several times and has been investigated by the police. Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon and Director Lee Kwang-woo promised to attend, and several other executives at the security office were asked to attend. Then, other people are more likely to attend and be investigated in the future.
[Jeongbin Seo]
I think there's a good chance of that. In the end, investigations are being conducted from the top, and in the future, investigations are being conducted in a way that goes down from the top, such as Chief of Security Kim Sung-hoon or Chief of Security Lee Kwang-woo. Therefore, if an investigation is conducted on them, there seems to be a good chance that an investigation will be conducted on other commanders and other employees. Of course, that doesn't mean it's difficult to investigate even all front-line employees, so I think to some extent, the investigation will proceed within the command and stop there.
[Anchor]
The news from the presidential office was that an emergency senior meeting would be held at 2 p.m. today, presided over by Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok, was reported as a breaking news from the presidential office. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said that President Yoon responded to the arrest to prevent the people from getting hurt. Also, before leaving his official residence, Yoon's last story is that the most important thing for me at this moment is not to get hurt, and I will fight with the people until the end. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said this. What kind of intent is this supposed to be?
[Borrowing]
As the president said earlier, he thanked the people for supporting him. In particular, I am grateful for the reawareness of liberal democracy among young people. That's why you said the future is bright. The problem is this. Only those who support and support Yoon's illegal and unconstitutional emergency martial law are talking about what he is talking about, and those who are talking about the opposite idea are not paying attention to it at all. I'm quite sorry that these parts are close to the current president's status. President Yoon said that the future of the Republic of Korea is bright, but I think these parts cast a dark shadow over the future.
[Anchor]
What issues will be discussed here if an emergency senior meeting is held at 2 o'clock presided over by the chief of staff?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Well, I don't know if I'm going to disclose the contents of the meeting or not, but if it's private, didn't the president say that he will fight with the people until the end today, and that's illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal? We will also talk about the conversation, behind closed doors, and openly, the president is suspended from the standpoint of the presidential office, and let's work hard for the people and people's livelihoods without being shaken by the acting president. I think it'll be a place where you make a commitment.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon is investigated today and he will appear at the Constitutional Court tomorrow at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, is there any legal conditions for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to comply with that?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Actually, I've never seen anything like this before. I've never seen a arrested or detained suspect go outside while being investigated for external schedules, especially trials, and I'll have to look at it in detail, but I don't think there are any specific legal regulations on this. Therefore, it is believed that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should eventually determine whether to allow it or not. In the end, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not allow him to attend, especially President Yoon, if he is forced not to attend the impeachment trial, which will lead to criticism of the opposition again, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will consider that.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol attends the second hearing tomorrow, he will miss a few hours in the 48 hours given to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Then, can we extend it and proceed further?
[Jeongbin Seo]
You can't extend it like that, and in the end, you have to decide whether you want an arrest warrant or release it within 48 hours of your arrest.
[Anchor]
Earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit saw that there is a high possibility of a claim, and the court will decide, but if the court issues it, it pointed out earlier what requirements to issue it, such as the seriousness of the charges and the fear of escape. But if I dismiss it, what will be the case?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If I dismiss it, I think the president's status will eventually act as a very important judgment factor. After all, there is no fear of escape. So, as a president, there is clearly a risk of escape compared to ordinary people, and I think it is very important that there is no fear of such escape because he has been staying in his official residence until now. Another point to consider is that the guarantee of defense rights will also be considered considerably. The right to exercise the right to defend not only as a president but also as a party is relatively important not only in the criminal investigation process but also in the impeachment trial that is actually going on in parallel. So, if the court dismisses it, there is relatively little or no such fear of escape. And I think the decision will be made in consideration of the aspect of the need to guarantee defense rights.
[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here.
So far, I have been with Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University, and lawyer Seo Jeong-bin. Thank you.
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[Anchor]
Following the news regarding the execution of the second arrest warrant for President Yoon, the studio will tell you. Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University. The execution is continuing right now. The advance team seems to be checking the security-related preparations at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building. Why is it taking so long?
[Borrowing]
First of all, I think it's a kind of mission of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to execute an arrest warrant against the president, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is strongly insisting on the arrest of the president. Regarding this, the president will voluntarily attend the meeting even now. Whether it's arrest or voluntary attendance, I think he's having a pretty kind of scuffle with President Yoon's lawyers.
The investigation of President Yoon itself is inevitably very different depending on whether he is arrested or voluntarily launched. If it is a situation that is executed by an arrest warrant, first of all, if President Yoon is secured, he can investigate while in custody for 48 hours. However, if you voluntarily attend, it will be difficult to conduct a late-night survey because you came on your own, and if you can't do a late-night survey, you have to send it back.
Then, if we have no choice but to go back to our official residence, if we ask him to appear next time, there will be considerable friction if he doesn't come out like this, so I think President Yoon is thinking that he will not conduct a late-night investigation in the form of voluntary attendance and do it in the way of commuting.
However, in the case of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there have been no cases of voluntary attendance after receiving an arrest warrant once. That's why if we accept this, there will inevitably be a preferential dispute against President Yoon. That's why I think it's taking a lot of time to coordinate these parts.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said its goal is to execute the warrant without considering the form of voluntary attendance, so it seems that they are also discussing this security method now that the principle is to get President Yoon Suk Yeol on a convoy. So what's the difference between taking a bodyguard vehicle and taking a convoy of airmen?
[Jang Sung Ho]
From the president's point of view and from the point of view of the security agency, aren't some of the security agencies going to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for security inspection? Considering those things, we are discussing in detail about the security method, the security environment, and the way of investigating the site, so don't you think there is another way to treat the president of Yoon Suk Yeol because he hasn't been seen yet?
As a sitting president, I don't think there will be such a big disagreement on this part. Is it a convoy or a presidential car? So, rather than this, isn't there a lot of details about how to go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the investigation method, and a lot of other things to check about security?
Therefore, it is quite likely that such a part will take a lot of time, and whether an arrest warrant is executed or voluntary attendance is made here. That part is also really different from both sides. That's why, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we're running out of time within 48 hours by executing the arrest warrant quickly, right? When an arrest warrant is requested within 48 hours, this is likely to be accompanied by a large part of the president for 48 hours, of course by a lawyer, but there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to remain silent.
Normally, I did it on a constitutional basis and at the level of a commander-in-chief. And the rest is whether I can secure something like an arrest warrant for 48 hours with this, when I said it all in the media and in the public declaration. And for example, an arrest warrant request is the same as an arrest warrant, but shouldn't there be a fear of escape or destruction of evidence? I think both sides are quite complicated right now about how these things can be proven and certain things can be brought to the court by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
This is the screen showing the front door of the presidential office. If President Yoon comes out after the security discussion is over, there is the highest probability of him coming out of this screen, so we continue to show him the screen now. As you said, Professor Jang may exercise his right to remain silent. There is a high possibility that the investigation will not proceed smoothly within 48 hours, so does Professor Cha agree?
[Borrowing]
I think there is a 99.9% chance that President Yoon will exercise his right to remain silent if he goes to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, whether arrested or voluntarily launched. Because on the part of President Yoon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the rebellion. That's why they think that a warrant requested and issued by an agency that doesn't have the right to investigate is illegal. That's why I think it's almost zero chance to respond to it because I think it doesn't make sense for an illegal agency to investigate civil war.
Even so, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the exercise of the right to remain silent is the level of the suspect's right to defend himself, so he cannot do anything about it. If so, if it were to be an arrest now, I would ask a number of questions in my own way while holding a person for 48 hours. I heard that you prepared hundreds of questions, but if you exercise your right to remain silent on all questions, what would you do after that? In my opinion, I think that I will issue an arrest warrant.
If so, in the case of an arrest warrant, the court will judge the matter through a warrant review. But now, President Lee Yoon is suspected of being the head of a civil war, and all important mission workers are arrested. In such a situation, no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, I think that no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, there will be no problem proving the charges.
And although there is a high possibility that an arrest warrant will not be issued because there is no fear of escape or destruction of evidence, in a way, there is not much concern that incumbent soldiers will flee even if their subordinates are caught now, right? And while there is a concern of destroying evidence, in the case of President Yoon, the concern of destroying evidence is rather high in the court. Because they refused to comply with the summons to the extent that an arrest warrant was issued, and this is quite the charge of destroying evidence, and most importantly, the severity of the matter.
The allegation that the incumbent president attempted to wage a civil war is so severe that I think a warrant is likely to be issued by the court. Another reason for this is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit received an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. If so, why doesn't President Yoon's side go to the Seoul Central District Court if he claims an arrest warrant for consistency? I think there's a high possibility of controversy because of this.Ma, however, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the Western District Court issued an arrest warrant for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon.
That's why I think it's quite likely that the Airborne Department will also request an arrest warrant from the Western Court, and that's what I think about earlier when it comes to vehicle movement. If it becomes a voluntary appearance, there is a high possibility that it will come out in a security service vehicle, and if you are arrested, you will have no choice but to ride a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If the suspect simply says it now, whether he or she will go to his car or the vehicle appealed by the investigative agency, this means that the characteristics will inevitably differ depending on whether he or she is voluntarily running or arrested. If he or she makes an arrest and moves in a security guard vehicle because of the security problem of the incumbent president, there will be another dispute over preferential treatment. If, for example, investigators and prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot ride together in the security guard vehicle, there will be a problem in escorting him or not. That's why I think it's going to be decided which vehicle to ride depending on the arrest or voluntary departure.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the situation in front of the official residence. People are constantly seen entering and leaving the official residence. We will deliver it as soon as we catch the movement. How did you move to the previous presidents when you went to investigate whether you are transferring to a security car or a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Borrowing]
There's never been an incumbent president to be investigated. That's why this is the first time ever. That is why I remember that the only case that we can refer to is December 3, 1995, which is incomparable to the previous case. At that time, 5. According to the 18th Special Act, former President Chun Doo-hwan, then a former president, fled to Hapcheon. The next day, when the alley explanation was announced early in the morning, the prosecution applied for a preliminary arrest warrant and got it issued at night. After receiving the order, he went to Hapcheon immediately and arrested former President Chun Doo-hwan in his birthplace, and there was a question of how to escort then-President Chun Doo-hwan. At that time, seven years after President Chun Doo-hwan left office, he was being guarded by the police.
However, at that time, the police chief instructed the security team in advance to disarm them, and you should not be allowed to drive your vehicle. So I escorted them into the vehicle that the prosecution investigators took. I transferred from Hapcheon to Anyang Prison at that time, and I took a rest and escorted him for about 3 hours and a half, almost non-stop. In the case of former President Chun Doo-hwan at the time, investigators put their arms on both sides when he was arrested, so what former President Chun Doo-hwan said at the time was, "I'm the president, so don't cross my arms." So the investigators don't cross their arms, but when escorting, we're familiar with the scene, but I don't know because they were escorted in such a way that they sat in the middle of the back seat of the car and investigators sat on both sides.
If we do that again, I think the vehicle is a sitting president.Ma is a suspect, so maybe that way, two investigators will sit on both sides and President Yoon will sit in the middle. In the case of convoy by airlift vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
But like gun rope and handcuffs, if the law is the same, shouldn't it be filled if it's equal? However, if you look at the court's opinion on these things, you can give me some human rights aspects and courtesy, so I'm a guarded, incumbent president, right? It's the first time in history. Therefore, from the standpoint of the incumbent president, if an investigator sits next to him in a car of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the bodyguards should be outside, and there is a high possibility that the bodyguards who protect the president's personal safety should also be considered, so I think there is a possibility that it will be a way to follow the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in a car dedicated to the president.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen right now. The screen on the right shows you at the door of the official residence and the front door of the official residence. If President Yoon shows up, it is expected to come out through that door, so we will have to keep watching. And then the vehicles on the right are the security vehicles waiting at the gate of the official residence. Security guards are on board with some cars on the line. I'm getting off and off, so I think I'm getting ready to move right away.
So far, we have been discussing various security issues, but President Yoon is likely to appear and move as soon as the discussion is over, including the advance party. Aren't you saying that the advance team will first move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building in Gwacheon to discuss various safety issues and organize what's in the field? It is said that they have already prepared an investigation room, a rest facility, and a recording investigation to investigate video, so what security issues should be considered?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not a single building. So, as far as I know, it's in the Gwacheon Government Complex. So when I sent a request for attendance to President Yoon in the first place, I asked him to come on holidays, not weekdays. The reason is that there are other public officials, so there is a possibility of mixing with the general public, and because of that, I told them to appear on holidays due to security issues, but they didn't come out.
If that's the case, today is a weekday even if we're escorting them now. Then, there are people working in other offices, so there are quite a few harmful factors in terms of security. If so, from the perspective of the security agents, go ahead and investigate in which room of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and then introduce various surrounding buildings with harmful factors or all such Gwacheon Office. I think we need to do those kinds of checks. Another thing to keep in mind is that if it is in the form of an arrest, the president's personal life can be avoided for 48 hours.
In that case, what I'm saying now is that he's likely to be imprisoned in a detention center. However, it is the first time in history that an incumbent president is imprisoned in a Seoul detention center. Even in this case, how will you protect him? If so, in the case of Seoul Detention Center, then make a specific area a security space. In my opinion, when I talk to lawyers, if they arrest them, where will they be held for 48 hours? If that's the case, then if it's the Seoul Detention Center, I think I'm talking about how to protect them.
[Anchor]
According to what we're getting from within, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has decided to attend today. I think we need to know exactly whether this is a form of voluntary attendance or attendance by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It's coming out right now. A little while ago, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun announced that Yoon Suk Yeol's president has decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today. I just heard that the security guard will leave for the airborne office as soon as he is ready. It took quite a long time in the process of discussing now.
There was nothing about the phrase that excludes the application of Articles 110 and 111 in this warrant. So the security service also protested, and today the People's Power lawmakers took issue with this. I guess that's why the confrontation took a long time with this?
[Jang Sung Ho]
At dawn, if you cross the crosswalk and the overpass at exit 2 of Hangangjin Station, you will find your official residence. In front of the official residence, the KCTU and pro-impeachment people demonstrated, and up there, far away from there, there are quite a lot of anti-impeachment forces on the Han River, I think about 10,000 people came today. That's how I was holding a rally, and in this situation, I started to control it from 4 o'clock, so I came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 4 a.m.
Didn't you start blocking access at 4 o'clock and then start execution at 5 o'clock, so you went in sequentially now? In such a situation, the president said that he would go and be reviewed if he really requested an arrest warrant, but that's not easy, is it?
And since there is a possibility that the security guards who are protecting them will be legally punished for various legal abuse of authority or such, I think they have decided to appear today with the intention that they will go to the scene and be investigated and reveal their unfairness.
[Anchor]
However, if you listen to the president's position from the scene, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police will withdraw from the official residence first, and then leave for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the security is ready to move. Then, around the time of departure for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the president said that he will directly tell the people by fostering them. If the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdraw from the official residence first, is this not an execution but a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
It has to look like a voluntary attendance. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun uses the expression "attendance." So that's what I'm saying, we're willing to do it voluntarily, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not in an environment where they can release their position in real time right now. That's why we have no choice but to listen to President Yoon's story unilaterally.
[Anchor]
I'll have to hear about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for sure.
[Borrowing]
So the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit probably won't try to deny entry. As mentioned earlier, from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the purpose is to execute an arrest warrant. Then, as lawyer Seok Dong-hyun talks now, we will attend and attend, so President Yoon will make a public statement and all these things, so back down from the airborne department and the police who came to arrest you. If it becomes such a situation, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, in a way, it is inevitable that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make concessions on this part because it is a situation where there will be considerable criticism. That's why I think the scuffle is getting quite long.
[Anchor]
As you said, we don't know the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit yet. The position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be delivered when it comes in, but lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that he will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the transfer is ready, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police withdraw first, they will prepare for the transfer of security and depart. And the attendance time will probably take another hour or two, and it is expected to arrive at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit within this morning, he said. And as I went out, the president said that he will speak to the people himself. What should I say?
[Jang Sung Ho]
If you sign a gentleman's agreement and have respect as an incumbent president, doesn't it mean that the president will go on his own if the police leave his official residence for now? We'll see later how this relates to executing an arrest warrant. In that situation, didn't the president say he would announce his position before departing from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? I'll do it confidently. And haven't you had two or three public statements in a while? It's in the same context as that. Anyway, the reason is that I'm sorry to have caused such inconvenience to the whole people from dawn, I think they would say that.
[Anchor]
Given the position that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously come out, it does not consider voluntary attendance. Since he said that the goal is to execute the warrant, it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is continuing the process with a firm will to execute the warrant rather than attending voluntarily. Also, according to the news from the field, it seems that it takes time for the president to talk about meeting with lawmakers. How do I watch this?
[Borrowing]
So now lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said, "We have plans to appear." Then, when the security or airlift department steps down, we will leave as soon as we are ready. We are cooperating in law enforcement in our own way. That's what really highlights the image. I think I'm kind of fighting a public opinion war. In the meantime, what image is given is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police continue to create an image of excessive law enforcement to show off the presence of their institutions. At the same time, he talks like this without respecting the incumbent president, and eventually, I think it's kind of a message to unite the supporters.
So, as a sitting president, we are willing to participate in law enforcement and cooperate in our own way, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are reckless, so what should you do? I feel like I'm sending a message about that story. And in particular, as I said earlier, members of the People's Power came. Members of the People's Power, come in, I want to meet some. If you say it that way, why are the People's Power MPs here now? It means that the arrest warrant should be prevented because it is illegal. I'm talking about the same logic as him. Let's talk together, for example, each lawmaker is a constitutional institution now, so listen to the people about what constitutional institutions come and talk about. I think I'm doing a kind of psychological warfare with public opinion, and the problem is that there is no way for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police to explain and convey their situation in real time.
I think there's going to be a position from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police on these things soon.First of all, only President Yoon's unilateral message is coming out now, and I think this is a public opinion contest to gather supporters.
[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol said that he made the decision inevitably because he was concerned about physical conflict because of the news that citizens were injured and the strong will of the security officials to prevent the execution of the arrest. However, from what has been said since dawn, and from the screen we saw, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not have any staff from the security service preventing entry into the official residence, and there was no physical conflict in the process of entering the official residence. And there were a lot of analyses that the backlash was not as great as we expected during the first round of execution. I think this situation and the presentation are a bit confronting. How do you see it?
[Jang Sung Ho]
It's quite strategic and press play, both. Didn't we see a lot of reports to respond fairly hard to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the enforcement team, and the security team? However, in the case of Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, Director Lee Kwang-woo, and Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, they were just arrested. Aren't you arrested? So I was put in a convoy and went. As our professor just said, strategic things that focus on public opinion are quite strong, and likewise, it is illegal for the arrest warrant to do this as much as possible, and it is illegal for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to investigate rebellion. Nevertheless, since you are issuing an arrest warrant like this, didn't the security office prevent it as much as possible and the presidential lawyers responded strongly to this? By doing so, enough about this to the people, enough about the supporters. And when Kim Ki-hyun spoke with 30 lawmakers in front of his residence this morning, the arrest warrant is illegal, and the rule of law has retreated, which is a trick, expedient and unjustified. Don't fight while talking like this. So put your back on the former lawmakers and the chairman of the committee because of the possibility of obstruction of justice.
[Anchor]
If you look at the screen on the right, you're seeing a number of people going outside through the iron door in front of the official residence. If you look at the screen on the left, it's covered by a tree.Ma is waiting for the vehicle now, and there are a little more people and a lot of movement on both sides, which are a little busier than the previous time. Doors are also being opened frequently. What you hear on the spot is that the president sends a message to the nation before attending? It seems that such preparations are being discussed or negotiated several times. The people inside have come out several times, and it's getting busier than the time before. If you're going to send a message to the nation, where will the president go and where and with what lawmakers?
[Borrowing]
That's what I'm saying. I'm also quite curious. Even if I send a message in front of my official residence, it's not a situation where the camera or microphone can follow me. If so, the investigation authorities who actually execute the arrest warrant cannot allow whether they will walk down and stand in front of the camera in front of the residence. Following the news regarding the execution of the second arrest warrant for President [Anchor]
Yoon, I will tell you from the studio. Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University. The execution is continuing right now. The advance team seems to be checking the security-related preparations at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building. Why is it taking so long?
[Borrowing]
First of all, I think it's a kind of mission of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to execute an arrest warrant against the president, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is strongly insisting on the arrest of the president. Regarding this, the president will voluntarily attend the meeting even now. Whether it's arrest or voluntary attendance, I think he's having a pretty kind of scuffle with President Yoon's lawyers.
The investigation of President Yoon itself is inevitably very different depending on whether he is arrested or voluntarily launched. If it is a situation that is executed by an arrest warrant, first of all, if President Yoon is secured, he can investigate while in custody for 48 hours. However, if you voluntarily attend, it will be difficult to conduct a late-night survey because you came on your own, and if you can't do a late-night survey, you have to send it back.
Then, if we have no choice but to go back to our official residence, if we ask him to appear next time, there will be considerable friction if he doesn't come out like this, so I think President Yoon is thinking that he will not conduct a late-night investigation in the form of voluntary attendance and do it in the way of commuting.
However, in the case of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there have been no cases of voluntary attendance after receiving an arrest warrant once. That's why if we accept this, there will inevitably be a preferential dispute against President Yoon. That's why I think it's taking a lot of time to coordinate these parts.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said its goal is to execute the warrant without considering the form of voluntary attendance, so it seems that they are also discussing this security method now that the principle is to get President Yoon Suk Yeol on a convoy. So what's the difference between taking a bodyguard vehicle and taking a convoy of airmen?
[Jang Sung Ho]
From the president's point of view and from the point of view of the security agency, aren't some of the security agencies going to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for security inspection? Considering those things, we are discussing in detail about the security method, the security environment, and the way of investigating the site, so don't you think there is another way to treat the president of Yoon Suk Yeol because he hasn't been seen yet?
As a sitting president, I don't think there will be such a big disagreement on this part. Is it a convoy or a presidential car? So, rather than this, isn't there a lot of details about how to go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the investigation method, and a lot of other things to check about security?
Therefore, it is quite likely that such a part will take a lot of time, and whether an arrest warrant is executed or voluntary attendance is made here. That part is also really different from both sides. That's why, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we're running out of time within 48 hours by executing the arrest warrant quickly, right? When an arrest warrant is requested within 48 hours, this is likely to be accompanied by a large part of the president for 48 hours, of course by a lawyer, but there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to remain silent.
Normally, I did it on a constitutional basis and at the level of a commander-in-chief. And the rest is whether I can secure something like an arrest warrant for 48 hours with this, when I said it all in the media and in the public declaration. And for example, an arrest warrant request is the same as an arrest warrant, but shouldn't there be a fear of escape or destruction of evidence? I think both sides are quite complicated right now about how these things can be proven and certain things can be brought to the court by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
This is the screen showing the front door of the presidential office. If President Yoon comes out after the security discussion is over, there is the highest probability of him coming out of this screen, so we continue to show him the screen now. As you said, Professor Jang may exercise his right to remain silent. There is a high possibility that the investigation will not proceed smoothly within 48 hours, so does Professor Cha agree?
[Borrowing]
I think there is a 99.9% chance that President Yoon will exercise his right to remain silent if he goes to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, whether arrested or voluntarily launched. Because on the part of President Yoon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the rebellion. That's why they think that a warrant requested and issued by an agency that doesn't have the right to investigate is illegal. That's why I think it's almost zero chance to respond to it because I think it doesn't make sense for an illegal agency to investigate civil war.
Even so, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the exercise of the right to remain silent is the level of the suspect's right to defend himself, so he cannot do anything about it. If so, if it were to be an arrest now, I would ask a number of questions in my own way while holding a person for 48 hours. I heard that you prepared hundreds of questions, but if you exercise your right to remain silent on all questions, what would you do after that? In my opinion, I think that I will issue an arrest warrant.
If so, in the case of an arrest warrant, the court will judge the matter through a warrant review. But now, President Lee Yoon is suspected of being the head of a civil war, and all important mission workers are arrested. In such a situation, no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, I think that no matter how much President Yoon exercises his right to remain silent, there will be no problem proving the charges.
And although there is a high possibility that an arrest warrant will not be issued because there is no fear of escape or destruction of evidence, in a way, there is not much concern that incumbent soldiers will flee even if their subordinates are caught now, right? And while there is a concern of destroying evidence, in the case of President Yoon, the concern of destroying evidence is rather high in the court. Because they refused to comply with the summons to the extent that an arrest warrant was issued, and this is quite the charge of destroying evidence, and most importantly, the severity of the matter.
The allegation that the incumbent president attempted to wage a civil war is so severe that I think a warrant is likely to be issued by the court. Another reason for this is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit received an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. If so, why doesn't President Yoon's side go to the Seoul Central District Court if he claims an arrest warrant for consistency? I think there's a high possibility of controversy because of this.Ma, however, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the Western District Court issued an arrest warrant for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon.
That's why I think it's quite likely that the Airborne Department will also request an arrest warrant from the Western Court, and that's what I think about earlier when it comes to vehicle movement. If it becomes a voluntary appearance, there is a high possibility that it will come out in a security service vehicle, and if you are arrested, you will have no choice but to ride a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If the suspect simply says it now, whether he or she will go to his car or the vehicle appealed by the investigative agency, this means that the characteristics will inevitably differ depending on whether he or she is voluntarily running or arrested. If he or she makes an arrest and moves in a security guard vehicle because of the security problem of the incumbent president, there will be another dispute over preferential treatment. If, for example, investigators and prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot ride together in the security guard vehicle, there will be a problem in escorting him or not. That's why I think it's going to be decided which vehicle to ride depending on the arrest or voluntary departure.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the situation in front of the official residence. People are constantly seen entering and leaving the official residence. We will deliver it as soon as we catch the movement. How did you move to the previous presidents when you went to investigate whether you are transferring to a security car or a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Borrowing]
There's never been an incumbent president to be investigated. That's why this is the first time ever. That is why I remember that the only case that we can refer to is December 3, 1995, which is incomparable to the previous case. According to the May 18 Special Act at the time, former President Chun Doo-hwan, then a former president, fled to Hapcheon. The next day, when the alley explanation was announced early in the morning, the prosecution applied for a preliminary arrest warrant and got it issued at night. After receiving the order, he went to Hapcheon immediately and arrested former President Chun Doo-hwan in his birthplace, and there was a question of how to escort then-President Chun Doo-hwan. At that time, seven years after President Chun Doo-hwan left office, he was being guarded by the police.
However, at that time, the police chief instructed the security team in advance to disarm them, and you should not be allowed to drive your vehicle. So I escorted them into the vehicle that the prosecution investigators took. I transferred from Hapcheon to Anyang Prison at that time, and I took a rest and escorted him for about 3 hours and a half, almost non-stop. In the case of former President Chun Doo-hwan at the time, investigators put their arms on both sides when he was arrested, so what former President Chun Doo-hwan said at the time was, "I'm the president, so don't cross my arms." So the investigators don't cross their arms, but when escorting, we're familiar with the scene, but I don't know because they were escorted in such a way that they sat in the middle of the back seat of the car and investigators sat on both sides.
If we do that again, I think the vehicle is a sitting president.Ma is a suspect, so maybe that way, two investigators will sit on both sides and President Yoon will sit in the middle. In the case of convoy by airlift vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
But like gun rope and handcuffs, if the law is the same, shouldn't it be filled if it's equal? However, if you look at the court's opinion on these things, you can give me some human rights aspects and courtesy, so I'm a guarded, incumbent president, right? It's the first time in history. Therefore, from the standpoint of the incumbent president, if an investigator sits next to him in a car of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the bodyguards should be outside, and there is a high possibility that the bodyguards who protect the president's personal safety should also be considered, so I think there is a possibility that it will be a way to follow the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in a car dedicated to the president.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen right now. The screen on the right shows you at the door of the official residence and the front door of the official residence. If President Yoon shows up, it is expected to come out through that door, so we will have to keep watching. And then the vehicles on the right are the security vehicles waiting at the gate of the official residence. Security guards are on board with some cars on the line. I'm getting off and off, so I think I'm getting ready to move right away.
So far, we have been discussing various security issues, but President Yoon is likely to appear and move as soon as the discussion is over, including the advance party. Aren't you saying that the advance team will first move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building in Gwacheon to discuss various safety issues and organize what's in the field? It is said that they have already prepared an investigation room, a rest facility, and a recording investigation to investigate video, so what security issues should be considered?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not a single building. So, as far as I know, it's in the Gwacheon Government Complex. So when I sent a request for attendance to President Yoon in the first place, I asked him to come on holidays, not weekdays. The reason is that there are other public officials, so there is a possibility of mixing with the general public, and because of that, I told them to appear on holidays due to security issues, but they didn't come out.
If that's the case, today is a weekday even if we're escorting them now. Then, there are people working in other offices, so there are quite a few harmful factors in terms of security. If so, from the perspective of the security agents, go ahead and investigate in which room of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and then introduce various surrounding buildings with harmful factors or all such Gwacheon Office. I think we need to do those kinds of checks. Another thing to keep in mind is that if it is in the form of an arrest, the president's personal life can be avoided for 48 hours.
In that case, what I'm saying now is that he's likely to be imprisoned in a detention center. However, it is the first time in history that an incumbent president is imprisoned in a Seoul detention center. Even in this case, how will you protect him? If so, in the case of Seoul Detention Center, then make a specific area a security space. In my opinion, when I talk to lawyers, if they arrest them, where will they be held for 48 hours? If that's the case, then if it's the Seoul Detention Center, I think I'm talking about how to protect them.
[Anchor]
According to what we're getting from within, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has decided to attend today. I think we need to know exactly whether this is a form of voluntary attendance or attendance by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It's coming out right now. A little while ago, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun announced that Yoon Suk Yeol's president has decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today. I just heard that the security guard will leave for the airborne office as soon as he is ready. It took quite a long time in the process of discussing now.
There was nothing about the phrase that excludes the application of Articles 110 and 111 in this warrant. So the security service also protested, and today the People's Power lawmakers took issue with this. I guess that's why the confrontation took a long time with this?
[Jang Sung Ho]
At dawn, if you cross the crosswalk and the overpass at exit 2 of Hangangjin Station, you will find your official residence. In front of the official residence, the KCTU and pro-impeachment people demonstrated, and up there, far away from there, there are quite a lot of anti-impeachment forces on the Han River, I think about 10,000 people came today. That's how I was holding a rally, and in this situation, I started to control it from 4 o'clock, so I came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 4 a.m.
Didn't you start blocking access at 4 o'clock and then start execution at 5 o'clock, so you went in sequentially now? In such a situation, the president said that he would go and be reviewed if he really requested an arrest warrant, but that's not easy, is it?
And since there is a possibility that the security guards who are protecting them will be legally punished for various legal abuse of authority or such, I think they have decided to appear today with the intention that they will go to the scene and be investigated and reveal their unfairness.
[Anchor]
However, if you listen to the president's position from the scene, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police will withdraw from the official residence first, and then leave for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the security is ready to move. Then, around the time of departure for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the president said that he will directly tell the people by fostering them. If the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdraw from the official residence first, is this not an execution but a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
It has to look like a voluntary attendance. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun uses the expression "attendance." So that's what I'm saying, we're willing to do it voluntarily, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not in an environment where they can release their position in real time right now. That's why we have no choice but to listen to President Yoon's story unilaterally.
[Anchor]
I'll have to hear about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for sure.
[Borrowing]
So the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit probably won't try to deny entry. As mentioned earlier, from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the purpose is to execute an arrest warrant. Then, as lawyer Seok Dong-hyun talks now, we will attend and attend, so President Yoon will make a public statement and all these things, so back down from the airborne department and the police who came to arrest you. If it becomes such a situation, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, in a way, it is inevitable that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make concessions on this part because it is a situation where there will be considerable criticism. That's why I think the scuffle is getting quite long.
[Anchor]
As you said, we don't know the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit yet. The position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be delivered when it comes in, but lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that he will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as soon as the transfer is ready, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police withdraw first, they will prepare for the transfer of security and depart. And the attendance time will probably take another hour or two, and it is expected to arrive at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit within this morning, he said. And as I went out, the president said that he will speak to the people himself. What should I say?
[Jang Sung Ho]
If you sign a gentleman's agreement and have respect as an incumbent president, doesn't it mean that the president will go on his own if the police leave his official residence for now? We'll see later how this relates to executing an arrest warrant. In that situation, didn't the president say he would announce his position before departing from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? I'll do it confidently. And haven't you had two or three public statements in a while? It's in the same context as that. Anyway, the reason is that I'm sorry to have caused such inconvenience to the whole people from dawn, I think they would say that.
[Anchor]
Given the position that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously come out, it does not consider voluntary attendance. Since he said that the goal is to execute the warrant, it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is continuing the process with a firm will to execute the warrant rather than attending voluntarily. Also, according to the news from the field, it seems that it takes time for the president to talk about meeting with lawmakers. How do I watch this?
[Borrowing]
So now lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said, "We have plans to appear." Then, when the security or airlift department steps down, we will leave as soon as we are ready. We are cooperating in law enforcement in our own way. That's what really highlights the image. I think I'm kind of fighting a public opinion war. In the meantime, what image is given is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police continue to create an image of excessive law enforcement to show off the presence of their institutions. At the same time, he talks like this without respecting the incumbent president, and eventually, I think it's kind of a message to unite the supporters.
So, as a sitting president, we are willing to participate in law enforcement and cooperate in our own way, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are reckless, so what should you do? I feel like I'm sending a message about that story. And in particular, as I said earlier, members of the People's Power came. Members of the People's Power, come in, I want to meet some. If you say it that way, why are the People's Power MPs here now? It means that the arrest warrant should be prevented because it is illegal. I'm talking about the same logic as him. Let's talk together, for example, each lawmaker is a constitutional institution now, so listen to the people about what constitutional institutions come and talk about. I think I'm doing a kind of psychological warfare with public opinion, and the problem is that there is no way for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police to explain and convey their situation in real time.
I think there's going to be a position from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police on these things soon.First of all, only President Yoon's unilateral message is coming out now, and I think this is a public opinion contest to gather supporters.
[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol said that he made the decision inevitably because he was concerned about physical conflict because of the news that citizens were injured and the strong will of the security officials to prevent the execution of the arrest. However, from what has been said since dawn, and from the screen we saw, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not have any staff from the security service preventing entry into the official residence, and there was no physical conflict in the process of entering the official residence. And there were a lot of analyses that the backlash was not as great as we expected during the first round of execution. I think this situation and the presentation are a bit confronting. How do you see it?
[Jang Sung Ho]
It's quite strategic and press play, both. Didn't we see a lot of reports to respond fairly hard to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the enforcement team, and the security team? However, in the case of Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, Director Lee Kwang-woo, and Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon, they were just arrested. Aren't you arrested? So I was put in a convoy and went. As our professor just said, strategic things that focus on public opinion are quite strong, and likewise, it is illegal for the arrest warrant to do this as much as possible, and it is illegal for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to investigate rebellion. Nevertheless, since you are issuing an arrest warrant like this, didn't the security office prevent it as much as possible and the presidential lawyers responded strongly to this? By doing so, enough about this to the people, enough about the supporters. And when Kim Ki-hyun spoke with 30 lawmakers in front of his residence this morning, the arrest warrant is illegal, and the rule of law has retreated, which is a trick, expedient and unjustified. Don't fight while talking like this. So put your back on the former lawmakers and the chairman of the committee because of the possibility of obstruction of justice.
[Anchor]
If you look at the screen on the right, you're seeing a number of people going outside through the iron door in front of the official residence. If you look at the screen on the left, it's covered by a tree.Ma is waiting for the vehicle now, and there are a little more people and a lot of movement on both sides, which are a little busier than the previous time. Doors are also being opened frequently. What you hear on the spot is that the president sends a message to the nation before attending? It seems that such preparations are being discussed or negotiated several times. The people inside have come out several times, and it's getting busier than the time before. If you're going to send a message to the nation, where will the president go and where and with what lawmakers?
[Borrowing]
That's what I'm saying. I'm also quite curious. Even if I send a message in front of my official residence, it's not a situation where the camera or microphone can follow me. If so, the investigation authorities who actually execute the arrest warrant cannot allow whether they will walk down and stand in front of the camera in front of the residence. That's why if you're sending a message, you don't have to stand in front of the camera directly by voice, but rather a written message, or another message, or someone else to convey my meaning to you. But the problem is that if it is a voluntary appearance, you can come down in front of your residence and come to a place with cameras and microphones and do it yourself, but if it's not the scene where you're arrested, I think it's probably not easy for the president to deliver a message directly through voice.
[Anchor]
Several people went inside the iron gate of the official residence. We can't confirm if it's the deputies.Ma was hoping to have an audience with MPs. A number of people went in. It is confirmed on the spot that lawmakers have entered. Through the iron door in front of the official residence, lawmakers have now entered the official residence, and in a moment, the image of the lawmakers entering the official residence is expected to be captured on the left screen. Should I look at it a bit bigger? As you can see, the door is open, and many people are now called lawmakers. You're seeing lawmakers entering the presidential residence to meet the president. What are we going to talk about in the official residence?
[Borrowing]
But in my opinion, I wonder whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police, which are currently executing arrest warrants, will allow lawmakers to enter the official residence. Because a third party is involved in the scene where the arrest warrant is being executed. If I tell you one thing about the past, a warrant was issued for the arrest of Rep. Jeong Hyeong-geun of the Grand National Party in the past. But when the investigators who came to execute came to his house and came in with an arrest warrant, he said he would go to the main room and change his clothes, so he locked the door in the main room and turned the bowl to all the GNP members. So at that time, GNP lawmakers, including President Lee Hoi-chang, went to the living room of lawmaker Jeong Hyeong-geun and eventually blocked it there.
From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, if lawmakers go in and hit a human wall in the living room like that, it can be quite difficult. However, since we don't know whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is controlling the entrance and exit of the official residence, or who is controlling it, the police have penetrated the physical wall of the official residence. If so, the police are likely to control what I think can come and go now, but from the police's point of view, if lawmakers go in and build a human barrier in the living room by saying, "You can't surround President Yoon," it is likely to be the case of lawmaker Jeong Hyeong-geun I mentioned earlier. Actually, I couldn't execute it at the end of the day.
There's a case like that. There are cases like that, so if the execution of the arrest warrant takes all of those situations into account, I think if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police have the authority to control the flow in and out, I don't think they will allow it.
[Anchor]
There are still some such variables before the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit secures President Yoon Suk Yeol's whereabouts. Earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police said that lawmakers and incumbent lawmakers could be arrested if they block the execution of the arrest warrant. Then, in that situation today, do you think if there is a situation where lawmakers are blocking the execution of arrest warrants like that, they will issue arrest warrants?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Wasn't there a situation like that? And when Rep. Kim Ki-hyun and Rep. Na Kyung-won talk about declarative things in the morning, this is the key issue of the arrest warrant being illegal and the regression of the rule of law. And because this is an unjustified airlift. And the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is an investigative agency that is not qualified here, but it comes in and does it. While strongly insisting on such a situation, first of all, the obstruction of public affairs begins with a physical fight, rather than words. So, I saw it on the spot, but the lawmakers come out, asking the police several times, but they still don't come out, so they catch and move.
[Anchor]
Did you see it on the spot?
[Jang Sung Ho]
I saw it myself.
[Anchor]
Is this what it looks like this morning?
[Jang Sung Ho]
This is what it looks like this morning. And the chairmen of the outside committee are also not active members, so they bring it up quite strongly, like this. Isn't there a way for police to do so-called enforcement? That's why you can get caught in obstruction of the execution of public affairs, and even a member of the National Assembly can be arrested as a current offender if this happens on the spot, if it's the execution of public affairs. That's why I'm very careful about it. Rather, 30 MPs who went this morning talk behind their backs. When the police come, even if they hold it with their hands, it interferes with the execution of official duties, so when we play soccer, don't goal pickers take a rest and kick the ball in the penalty area? Because of the handling foul. Like that, he's very careful about physical fights.
And from what I've heard from the person holding the microphone on the other side of the impeachment, never follow the law and don't touch the fence and fence set up by the police. Never touch on this and it's safety and we're in violation of the law. In that way, the organizers of the meeting and the organizers of the meeting are paying considerable attention to this. Of course, about 15 people from the opposite side of impeachment were lying down in front of the residence last night on a cold day. I lied down for a long time and protested, so the police came and said they had no choice but to pull it out. That's why if you look at this now, the lawmakers go in and do this, is the decision made in the form of voluntary attendance? That's what I think.
And first of all, even if you want to go to the bathroom, for example at the main gate, you have to take the ticket with you, because there is no bathroom itself. But didn't the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd just open it? From this point of view, don't you think the president has confidence? But why didn't you go out in the first place? I didn't go out because it was illegal. Isn't this what the president's lawyer says? Nevertheless, if I go out and do it, I am confident that I will receive it in court and in the Constitutional Court that this is not an accusation of rebellion, even if I am arrested. That's how I see it, so today's images are to prevent the least amount of mishaps. However, I think that this is not a civil war against the Constitutional Court, but it is not a civil war, but a number of ways to argue that this is a criticism without strong attendance.
[Anchor]
While you're talking, the door to the official residence has opened and several people are going back and forth into the official residence. Now, the door has opened again and some people have come out. Professor Jang, didn't you go to the scene earlier and see the lawmakers and outsiders? What are those lawmakers going to say to the president now in their official residence?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Why don't you do the same? Stand up because the arrest warrant is illegal. The President knows, I'll do that. That's how we comfort each other and worry about each other. Isn't this the time when we block the law with our bodies? I don't think it's that dimension.
[Anchor]
If there are any notable movements on the spot, we will deliver them right away. President Yoon Suk Yeol said that he will move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit this morning. Then you'll be investigated right away, the presidential investigation, who will be in charge today?
[Borrowing]
First of all, is the senior prosecutor Cha Jung-hyun the head prosecutor at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? He is known to be in charge of it. Usually, when former presidents appear in the prosecution in the past, once they enter the prosecution first, a deputy prosecutor, for example, will come to the top of the prosecutor in charge and take a seat to honor them. I don't know because it's a form of investigation under the presence of the senior prosecutor in charge after chattering, but I think if President Yoon is secured in any way, whether he is voluntarily present or arrested at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, he will probably have a chat at the senior prosecutor's office and then lead the investigation immediately.
[Anchor]
As you can see on the screen, this is the entrance to the official residence. I think I can only see the silhouette of Yoon Gap-geun, including Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok. Looking at the red scarf in the back, didn't lawmaker Kim Ki-hyun go to the scene wearing a red scarf? Based on the color of the scarf alone, you can assume that it's Rep. Kim Ki-hyun.
[Jang Sung Ho]
Representative Yoon Sang-hyun also seems to be wearing a red scarf.
[Anchor]
Now, lawyers, including lawmakers, have come to the front of the official residence. Since it came out, it is possible to assume that the interview will be completed within the situation where it has already been organized to some extent rather than any more interviews. We didn't get caught on the screen.Ma is towards Hangangjin Station, and some of the lawyers were also captured on other cameras moving toward the side of the car wall. Then, should we say that legal consultations and discussions are over in the official residence now?
[Borrower]
is not. I think it will probably take a considerable amount of time. President Yoon is talking about voluntary attendance and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is talking about the execution of arrest warrants, so it is not easy for this discussion to be unified. Because we're in different positions. So, how will these parts be compromised? In fact, President Yoon's voluntary appearance itself has already given him three opportunities to appear voluntarily, and when he executed the arrest warrant last time, he eventually refused. What is the situation now after all?
In fact, the fact that President Yoon's voluntary attendance is a level of sincerity in a way because the security agency broke down the barrier. And from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police, they have no choice but to face the criticism that this kind of law enforcement is worse than the situation where no arrest warrant has been issued at all, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police will not easily back down, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdrew in five and a half hours when the first arrest warrant was executed.
There was a lot of criticism about it. Because of such a situation, even after the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the police mobilized such a huge number of people, they eventually failed to arrest President Yoon and President Yoon voluntarily appeared, so I don't know the truth. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it is a kind of situation where we talk about the existence of the organization, the crisis, and so on, so I think there is little room for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to step back. From the police's point of view, it would not be easy for President Yoon to respond to a compromise in such a way in this current situation, and that's why President Yoon's lawyer is talking to the end. In the end, from lawyer Seok Dong-hyun's point of view, as I said earlier, we are cooperating in our own way, but I think they are talking about that to convey the image that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police are holding out on this level of organizational selfishness.
[Anchor]
It seems that more people are gathered in front of the official residence. We haven't moved or seen anything like that yet. However, many people inside the official residence have come out and are waiting at the site. What you said earlier was analyzed that there is not much room to back down at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, what do you think Professor Jang?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Nevertheless, isn't it the first time in history that you're a sitting president? That's why there are many things to consider, and everything has to be done according to practice, but there's no practice. Therefore, there is a high possibility that the two sides will have a long quarrel, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit would think it most reasonable to deal with it according to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Act, but from the president's point of view, don't you think there are many things, including security for the president?
That's why it takes a lot of time to coordinate that between the two sides.
Nevertheless, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun will depart for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the morning, so I wonder if there has been a big agreement. Isn't it quite likely that the national conflict now, if you go and request an arrest warrant and then resolve it rationally rather than in extreme situations? I don't think this is the end, it's the beginning again. In this situation, it is impossible to fathom how far this division of opinion will go, but in that situation, you don't know where the public's public sentiment will go right now, right? Now is the time for criticism of the president. Looking at the recent public trends in conservative and progressive opinion, hasn't it changed? In such a situation, I think the law should be followed, but it should be sought as a way to heal and minimize national conflicts.
[Anchor]
As we continue to zoom in on the on-site screen, there are areas where the focus is a little blurry or a little blurry. I want to ask our viewers to understand about this. At the scene, some people who seem to be members of the People's Power are waiting outside and some people seem to be going inside. It's understood that it's been interviewed several times, but I think I need to check that. If the arrest warrant is executed today, isn't it 48 hours after the convoy? If you voluntarily attend, you won't even get that countdown, right?
[Borrowing]
That's right. There's no countdown. So the reason why President Yoon talks about voluntary attendance is that if the suspect refuses, he cannot even conduct a late-night investigation. Then, for example, at around 7 or 8 o'clock, if you exercise your right to remain silent after the investigation is over, there is no reason to read the record. Actually, I didn't tell you anything. Then, it becomes a situation where you can go back to your official residence at around 7 or 8, so I think the president is sticking to the voluntary attendance format. If it is possible to execute an arrest warrant, President Yoon can detain people for 48 hours, so in that case, he will be transferred to the Seoul Detention Center as reported.
In that case, another new history is created in Korea, which is not a good history, but a really dark history. If an incumbent president is detained in a detention facility, this is a situation where he has no choice but to become a real big person in the image of the Republic of Korea, so it doesn't seem so desirable to anyone.In a way, President Yoon himself caused all this situation. In fact, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit voluntarily participated in the investigation, it would not have gone to this situation. However, after making this situation, I think that the absolute majority of public opinion will turn very critically on these parts, asking me to be in the form of voluntary attendance now.
[Anchor]
As the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit states, there is no precedent for voluntary attendance when an arrest warrant is issued and execution is carried out. Then, if you move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the form of voluntary attendance today, you don't need to request an arrest warrant within 48 hours, so how will it proceed?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Wouldn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit be able to secure enough time? In the same way, this is said because he is an incumbent president. Don't you usually get off work at 6 o'clock? upon investigation Then, at 6 o'clock, I ask the investigator. If the investigator tells the suspect, would you like to proceed with the night investigation from now on? Then, if you don't agree, you can't do it, in terms of human rights. Therefore, from the president's point of view, there is nothing to answer even if he keeps silent, so even if he keeps silent, then he comes back to his official residence and appears again, and from the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, isn't it the purpose of President Yoon Suk Yeol to request an arrest warrant in the end? As such, the president wants to do it, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit wants to execute it, detain it for 48 hours, and take judicial action through it. Anyway, it seems that there are some clues to a big framework of resolution and compromise between the two sides in the morning. Nevertheless, everything is new, so I think there are a lot of things to worry about.
[Anchor]
After the first round of execution failures, lawmakers, didn't you go to the front of your official residence and participate in the rally? At that time, when President Yoon, who was in the official residence, asked me to eat together, I didn't respond. I drew some lines there, but today, we're having an interview, and as you can see, a lot of lawmakers are gathered, as you can see on the left screen. What kind of situation has changed from then on, so did the lawmakers respond to the interview today? The car just came in, shall we take a look? The vehicle was originally at the front gate of the residence, and it seems that the deputies have also been moving since the vehicle was moved. Let's take a look at the screen on the left. Since it looks a little different from now, the lawmakers were out after the interview, and several vehicles are moving through the iron door in front of the official residence. As you can see on the right. And on the left, we continue to track and show the moving images of the lawmakers at the front door of the official residence.
If you look at the screen on the right again, it's a minivan. The minivan is on the move and the majority of the other people are going back outside. If President Yoon comes out, I wanted to show him coming out of the main gate of the official residence on the left screen and moving back to the iron door on the right screen, but it has not been caught yet. Since we're continuing to show you different screens right now, we'd like to ask our viewers to understand that the screens we're showing are a little shaky or disconnected. Some vehicles and security vehicles in front of the iron gate of the official residence also moved. Let's take a look at it a little more. The security vehicle was originally at the iron door in front of the official residence, but it moved. Shall we zoom in a bit?
As you can see, the security vehicles are moving through the path in front of the residence where the cordon of the residence was located, but it has not been confirmed yet whether President Yoon was on board.Considering that several vehicles are moving, it is presumed that President Yoon's movement is imminent. I think we need to keep looking at the on-site screen now. There are quite a lot of people gathered toward the iron gate of the official residence. I'm moving to the official residence, but if you show me the iron door of the official residence in installments, I'll show you the iron door of the official residence. All the vehicles are now moving toward the iron gate of the official residence. Considering that the average president's moving vehicles are moving all the way, there is a possibility that the president is imminent or inside, right?
[Borrowing]
I think the president is on the move now. I've been a Cheong Wa Dae reporter for about two and a half years, so I've been to a lot of presidential events. Looking at the line of vehicles being escorted now, I can see the president moving. The situation on the ground is not known exactly yet, but there are so many vehicles moving together, right? If that's the case, I carefully observe the possibility that the president got on there.
[Anchor]
Since we're showing you the on-site screen, the screen is a little disconnected. I would like to ask the viewers to understand that once again. If you look at the screen now, you'll see Professor Jang before coming out of his official residence. You can see the road with a car wall near Han River Jin Station after coming out of your official residence, right? Let me look at the screen a little bit.
[Jang Sung Ho]
The wall was built up to the triple car wall in the morning, and now I think the president is riding there. I think it's a presidential vehicle, but didn't the lawmakers come down from inside the official residence and wave their hands a little while ago? He appeared to wave at the president. And then the president starts, and then the lawmakers walk down and come down to the official residence, and there's the Han Riverjin Public Parking Lot. The president now appears to be getting in and moving in a presidential car because lawmakers' cars are parked there.
[Anchor]
But that vehicle is a security vehicle right now. It's important whether the president is in a convoy or a security vehicle. [Cha Jae-won] I think there will be a vehicle from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in that group of cars, but the problem is that we don't know which car the president is in right now. But there's a sika in front of you right now. Saikas are now controlling traffic.
Since we are in traffic control, I think there is almost a 90% chance that it is a vehicle that the president is in. In this situation, the distance is only about 15km, so if I control it like that, I think I'll arrive in Gwacheon in 15 minutes. If I get off, there are cameras in front of the airborne office in Gwacheon, so I think I can know exactly from there. And I think we can probably find out whether the president got in and what kind of vehicle the president got in by looking at the scene when he arrived. Looking at the moving scene, I think it's the president's vehicle.
[Jang Sung Ho]
In the case of the minivan in the back, I saw the car that arrived in front of the official residence at 4 a.m. inside...
[Anchor]
Is this an airlift?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Were the investigators of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit on board at the time? That's why investigators don't move together, I think so.
[Anchor]
The screen we're showing you now, as you can see, the police Saika controlled the road to some extent in front of us. After that, the number of presidential security vehicles decreased and moved. The vehicles believed to have been carried by President Yoon Suk Yeol appear to be moving out of the official residence and to the airlift, but if it is not blocked because it is 17-18km away, President Yoon Suk Yeol will arrive at the airlift within 30 minutes even if it takes about 20 minutes to control it like that. Earlier, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said that President Yoon Suk Yeol would send a message through voice, but that hasn't come out yet.
[Borrowing]
They say they met with lawmakers in the morning. I think they'll probably send a message through the MPs, and they'll come down to the front of the residence and meet the journalists. I think there is a high possibility that they will meet and convey the president's position now. The question is whether it is an arrest or a voluntary appearance, and I wonder how the compromise was reached.
[Anchor]
If you look at it, it comes out toward Hangangjin Station and the screen you see is the entrance to the Gyeongbu Expressway. If you pass the Gyeongbu Expressway and go to Gwacheon Government Complex, it will be about 17 kilometers, and if traffic control is carried out in advance, you will be able to go there in less than 20 minutes or 15 minutes, as Professor Cha said earlier, but the key here is that the president is riding a security vehicle, and there is no presidential vehicle. I can't see the convoy. Even if you travel in a security vehicle, can you accept it as a warrant execution, that is, a convoy? Or should I see it as a voluntary attendance?
[Borrowing]
In my opinion, if it's the level of warrant execution now, of course, you have to ride a convoy. If the president is in the form of a voluntary appearance, he has to ride a security vehicle, but he can probably compromise like this. For example, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit makes an arrest, but in order to honor the president, we will allow the security vehicle to that extent. I will make concessions. We cannot rule out the possibility that such a compromise has been reached. If that happens, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit gives preferential treatment, so we cannot be free from such criticism.
[Jang Sung Ho]
And isn't there a possibility that the president's opinion to the public, because there are a lot of reporters in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?
[Anchor]
Do you think it's possible that the president will show up? Before we go in...
[Jang Sung-ho]
From the president's point of view, aren't you confident about this? Because I'm confident, I'm in a position to have that opportunity on purpose. Isn't it necessary for the president to gather supporters as well? Therefore, I think there is a possibility of expressing an opinion in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
The Joint Investigation Headquarters has come in now. I said I would let you know because I had a lot of inquiries, but it was about 10:33 or 9 minutes ago. About nine minutes ago, he announced that he had executed an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol. We talked about these two forms, voluntary attendance or arrest, and according to the Joint Investigation Headquarters, an arrest warrant was executed for President Yoon Suk Yeol at 10:33.
[Borrowing]
If this happens, the identity of President Yoon becomes clear. Then, if you say execution of an arrest warrant, you can be detained for 48 hours. If such a situation occurs, the investigation will be conducted properly as we previously said, and if the investigation is completed today, it is highly likely that the president's recruits will go to the Seoul Detention Center rather than to the residence. Since it becomes another completely new dimension and another dimension to this situation, how much will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit prepare for these parts and how will the security office secure the security space for the Seoul Detention Center as mentioned earlier? I think work on these areas should be done quickly.
And in most cases, in the case of the appearance of these very important suspects, you create a photo line. Maybe you don't know, but I think the media companies in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit have created a photo line. Then, whether President Yoon will stand on the photo line, stand and talk about his position, or just go in, that's one thing to watch.
[Anchor]
I'm continuing to show you the screen. I'm showing President Yoon's movement. It is predicted that vehicles will appear at the Public Offices Office building in Gwacheon Government Complex in a little while. Since our reporters are waiting inside the airborne office, we will show you the scene once again when we enter the airborne office. Then, what will happen to the future procedures? What if we arrive at the airlift?
[Jang Sung Ho]
As you just said, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should come out to greet you briefly and have a cup of tea, otherwise wouldn't the deputy prosecutor come out to greet the president and immediately start investigating? Starting with Cha Jung-hyun, don't you think there are about 200 pages of two prosecutors prepared for the president? After investigating it, President Yoon Suk Yeol will also have the president and one presidential lawyer present to investigate it, and there is a high possibility that he will exercise his right to silence other than confirming his identity at first.
[Anchor]
There are so many questionnaires prepared by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that there are more than 200 pages, so can this amount be completed in one day today?
[Borrowing]
First of all, if President Yoon makes a statement about it one by one, and if the investigative prosecutor is fighting or asking additional questions, it would be less than 48 hours. However, if you exercise everything with the right to remain silent, I don't think the amount of 200 pages itself means much. Perhaps, as many have observed, President Yoon believes that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is exercising illegal investigation rights, so I think there is a very high possibility that he will not open his mouth to the investigation.
[Anchor]
But didn't the countdown of 48 hours go in? Now, didn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit talk about the part that needs to be used with the prosecution for 48 hours?
[Cha Jae-won]
Regarding the prosecution part, the joint investigation headquarters is related to the police and the prosecution is excluded now, so it is likely that they will not cooperate with the prosecution. The problem is that the prosecution has the right to prosecute President Yoon. Therefore, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit thinks strategically in this sense, there is a possibility that the prosecution may consider something that can be involved in the investigation process.Ma, however, I don't think it will give much room for the investigative agency's actions.
[Anchor]
At this time, we're showing the airlift to the right. Various vehicles are entering National Security The president's security vehicles that you've seen so far have not yet been revealed. Considering the departure time, it seems that the presidential security vehicles of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will appear within 5 to 10 minutes. President Yoon's statement or his message is expected to come out in a little while, and we'll deliver that as soon as the discourse comes in from the field. Then, you have now predicted that you will exercise the right to remain silent other than the discourse, so what will be included in the discourse?
[Jang Sung Ho]
First of all, he said he was sorry to the public, but he said he would do such a thing and confidently investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but he said that it was illegal because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no right to investigate, so he expressed that this unfair law enforcement, the judicial system that can correct it, is shaking, not only through lawyers but also through lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. Since I am aware of the situation, I think I have no choice but to talk about the principle of going to the court and arguing about what the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has raised so far, using this collapsing judicial system as an opportunity to correct it.
[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has expressed his position several times, and in his statement, he initially sent a message to the people, but later expressed it as a patriotic citizen. If I make a statement this time, would it be a message to the people or a message to patriotic citizens?
[Borrowing]
Last time, he used the expression "patriotic citizen," so he faced criticism for dividing the people considerably. From that point of view, I think I would probably make a public statement like this. First of all, if you say you're going to speak today, why did I have no choice but to respond to the arrest or these parts, and those parts should probably avoid bloodshed now. So I think I'll probably say that I had no choice but to respond on a grand scale. Nevertheless, since the investigation right of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself is illegal, I will exercise my right to defend my right. I think that's how much I'll talk about it. On the other hand, I think that the part to be included in the message to the people will eventually emphasize the legitimacy of martial law once again.
[Anchor]
I'm showing you the re-execution screen of the arrest warrant. The air conditioner started moving from 4:30 a.m. today. Since the first cordon was passed at around 7:30 and the arrest warrant was presented at 5:30, the execution of the arrest warrant was completed in about 5 hours after the arrest warrant was presented, and President Yoon's side is now considered to be moving to the airlift office along with the security vehicle. On the right, you're looking at the correspondent's screen waiting for the president's security vehicles at this time. On the left, you see the president's vehicles moving around at this time. In a moment, the presidential security car... I see it now. If you look at the airlift on the right, you can see Sika right now, right? It seems that the presidential security vehicle is coming in. Police personnel are controlling the vehicles earlier. You're looking at the airlift at this time. You are watching the presidential security vehicles coming into the airlift in real time.
[Anchor]
While we're talking, lawyer Seo Jeong-bin will also appear. At 10:33, the Joint Investigation Headquarters said they executed an arrest warrant for the president. And there's a 48-hour deadline. However, since it is the first time that an incumbent president has been arrested and investigated, I think there will be unexpected variables. What are the parts?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Likewise, it is expected that all basic procedures will be carried out, as in the previous investigation of suspects. However, considering the claims made by President Yoon during the investigation process, especially the claims that such procedures should be carried out in accordance with the president's courtesy, there seems to be a good possibility that he will eventually refuse to make statements while pointing out the issue of investigative rights during the investigation process, and such statements can be conducted, such as refusing to make overall statements. So, in this regard, compared to other such cases, it can be expected that there will be delays in the investigation or difficulties in smooth progress.
[Anchor]
We're continuing to show you the screen right now. Some of the security vehicles parked in front of the Public Offices Office building in Gwacheon Government Complex and security personnel got out of the car. I got off the train. I should say it's Bon University now. I think I'm waiting for the vehicle with the president to come in. Looking at you going into the parking lot, you don't seem to be standing in the photo line, do you? [CHA JAE WON] I see that aspect. I don't know exactly where we are right now.Ma first of all, the parts that prevent the president's appearance from being exposed, and since he is an incumbent president from the perspective of the security office, I think he probably escorted him to the cover-up facility in that way to block such harmful factors in advance.
[Anchor]
Some lawmakers also seem to have come together, as I can see Yoon Sang-hyun. I could see it in the front.I think I need to watch it again. I think the president's statement will come in a little while. If the conversation comes in, we'll show you right away. What you see is in front of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I could see some of the president getting off and going in.
[Anchor]
I just saw a figure who is believed to be the president of Yoon Suk Yeol entering from behind. It seems that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol covered it like this and made him enter so as not to expose himself entering.
[Anchor]
The parking vehicle has entered the parking lot now, but some security vehicles have not turned the vehicle diagonally outside? So, the oblique vehicle seems to be a measure taken by the security service to cover the appearance of President Yoon entering. As the security service covered President Yoon's entry with some vehicles, it seems that President Yoon's appearance was only slightly seen from the back. I think the contents of the presidential statement have just come in. I think I recorded it in advance and came in, so I'll take a look.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
My fellow citizens, how have you been? Thank you so much for supporting me and giving me a lot of support.
Unfortunately, the law is all broken in this country. It is truly deplorable to see a warrant issued to an agency without investigation rights, a court without a warrant examination rights to issue arrest and search warrants, and to see an investigative agency forcefully proceed with this illegal illegal act of deceiving the people by issuing false official documents.
Even if I am disadvantaged like this, I really don't want this to happen when our people experience such criminal cases in the future. When I saw them break into the security area using fire equipment today, I decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, although it is an illegal investigation, to prevent unsavory bloodshed.
However, I do not admit to the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. As a president who must protect the constitution and legal system of the Republic of Korea, responding to these illegal and invalid procedures is not an acknowledgment of this, but a heart to prevent unsavory bloodshed.
Seeing the people, especially our young people, re-recognize the importance of liberal democracy and show their passion for it, I have come to think that the future of this country is hopeful even though the law is broken and it is a pitch-dark time.
My fellow citizens, please stay healthy and cheer up. Thank you.
[Anchor]
We listened to President Yoon's public statement twice in a row. The first thing is, unfortunately, the law is all broken in this country. This is the story. How did you hear President Yoon's first rant now?
[Borrowing]
I think you just said what I predicted earlier. So the reason I had no choice but to respond today was to prevent unsavoury bloodshed. Nevertheless, I will not admit the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has requested an illegal warrant and it is not a warrant issued by a competent court. That's why, as we mentioned earlier, I think we said we would exercise the right to remain silent even if it were to happen today. He also said that he decided to comply with the attendance of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Perhaps the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit says it's an arrest, but I think President Yoon's side is quite likely to call it a voluntary attendance.
And on the other hand, I asked if I would talk about the patriotic citizens we talked about earlier today or the public opinion, but in terms of content, I talked about the people on the video, but I am literally focusing on the patriotic citizens who supported me. There are much more public opinion in favor of impeachment against President Yoon and want to execute an arrest warrant. However, I think it is quite regrettable that there was no single message to the general public.
[Anchor] [Chapter ∀] What did you think?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Nevertheless, hasn't the president expressed such a position, and the president has sent a message to the public several times? 12. 3 After martial law was invoked. I think it's in line with that. I will not admit the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit This is in line with the context of various members of the People's Power, including Rep. Kim Ki-hyun, in the morning. And haven't the president's approval rating and the people's approval rating been rising considerably recently?
So, in a way, I will nevertheless put a great deal of effort into reestablishing this crumbling judicial system. In order to do that, the people ask you to use your strength, and in this way, the message to the people is directed toward the support base, and isn't our society going to the extremes right now? Isn't it natural that politicians appeal to those who support the president in this situation?
So, no matter what kind of trial the Constitutional Court takes, regardless of whether it is seeking an arrest warrant in the law or proceeding with the trial, there will be quite a big clash between conservative and progressive supporters in front of the Constitutional Court. An ambulance came today and one person was carried away, and there was no special incident, but there is a high possibility of a much more confrontational incident in the Constitutional Court in the future, so isn't there such an illegal dispute if you don't do this reasonably within the legal framework?
Then I'll go back because the president voluntarily attended after work hours, what would the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit do if I did that? Isn't there no precedent because all of these things are in a position where you have to deal with this legally as a sitting president? That's the problem. The same goes for the Constitutional Court now. Wouldn't the president attend the Constitutional Court in this position? Then, I think the volatility of the president's remarks at the Constitutional Court is quite high because it spreads quickly through so-called KakaoTalk through the supporters.
[Anchor]
We are showing you several times that we have arrived at the Presidential Corruption Investigations Unit. Now that we are entering the front gate of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the main gate of the Gwacheon Government Complex, we are entering the main gate of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but I don't know if President Lee's vehicle is temporary. It is entering the parking lot, and the vehicle that follows is blocking the view of the president as he stops the vehicle horizontally to prevent reporters from filming. Let's take a look again. First of all, the vehicle with the president on board has entered the rear-end space like this. As soon as I entered, the vehicle that followed entered the street again, and I blocked the president from entering the scene to prevent him from being captured by the reporters' cameras.
It's going up so fast. Viewers... Let's watch it again. This is what it looks like. I went into President Yoon's Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and said that illegality is being committed illegally. In lawyer Seo's view, what are the illegal things that President Yoon said in his statement? President
[Seo Jung-bin]
Yoon has been mentioning that he has no right to investigate whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate, and the Western District Court, which issued the warrant, does not have the authority to review the warrant here either. And nevertheless, the warrant issued is of course illegal, and the process of executing the warrant is bound to be illegal. So we announced that these things are illegal and illegal in the end. Looking at the contents of the statement, President Yoon himself explained the contents that were previously released through the lawyers himself. If so, wouldn't he eventually make such a statement during today's investigation process that there are many illegal elements? Furthermore, it seems to be expected that this argument will be consistently asserted in the course of the trial that may proceed later.
[Anchor]
The Joint Investigation Headquarters executed an arrest warrant at 10:33. In the 53rd minute, President Yoon Suk Yeol arrived at the airlift. And now, we will be investigated on the third floor of the 5th building of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, so shall we start the investigation right away?
[Jeongbin Seo]
First of all, I expect it to take a little time. Before proceeding with the investigation, it seems that the necessary procedures will be checked a little more, but for example, whether or not to record the video now, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit seems to be saying that it will conduct a video investigation. However, it may be burdensome for President Yoon to leave such video evidence, especially when such video evidence is left, and the independent evidence capability of the trial is recognized, so it is not evaluated as evidence, but if the investigation is conducted for a long time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can analyze the recorded video once again and conduct more thorough investigations, so those parts may be a little burdensome for President Yoon. So, I can disagree on this, and I think that we will coordinate and proceed with such procedures before conducting any investigation.
[Anchor]
When I saw the statement, I said that it was deplorable to see a warrant issued to an agency that did not have the right to investigate and a court that did not have the right to examine the warrant issued a search warrant. Then, is it helpful to make a statement when I go in now? Should I say that I'm more likely to exercise the right to remain silent?
[Jeongbin Seo]
It is difficult to judge which one is more helpful, but given the contents so far, I think they will eventually exercise the right to remain silent. In fact, even if this right to refuse to make a statement is exercised, it is not used unfavorably in investigations or subsequent trials. Even if such information is revealed that he refused to make a statement at the trial, it is eventually evaluated through the evidence, so President Yoon is not burdened with exercising his right to refuse to make a statement, so I think he will refuse to make a statement in the end. On the other hand, in the current situation, we'll need to look at what's coming out of that trial, where the other trial is just beginning anyway, and the trials of those involved are starting. So, rather than making a statement at a little earlier, I think most of the statements will be rejected as previously stated through the lawyers.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol refuses to make a statement today, if he exercises his right to remain silent, what part of the 48-hour period will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit focus on?
[Jeongbin Seo]
In the end, we will ask specific questions about abuse of authority and allegations of rebellion for 48 hours, whether there is a statement or not. Even if you refuse to make a statement, you can continue to ask questions that have been prepared and write that you do not state them, so it seems that all the questions that have been prepared will be examined in this regard. In the end, the contents of those questions started from December 3rd to see if there were any circumstances prepared for such a declaration of martial law, whether there were any specific instructions to whom on that day, what direct instructions were given to the commanders in the military, what were the situations before the arrest warrant was eventually executed, and whether there were any special instructions regarding the security service. I think you've prepared these contents, so I think there will be a lot of questions about this.
[Anchor]
From the execution of the warrant to the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to the detention, there seems to be a lot of concerns because it is unprecedented in a way, but how is the detention done?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If you apply for a preliminary arrest warrant, it is expected that the Seoul Detention Center in Uiwang-si will hold detention for now until the trial. Specifically, I don't think I've been able to confirm what kind of preparations are being made at the Seoul Detention Center, but since I'm the president now, of course, I think I'll prepare a room where I can stay alone in this case and stay there until the warrant-related trial begins.
[Anchor]
If the suspect exercises the right to remain silent, what part of the court that will decide to issue a warrant looks at and makes a judgment?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If you apply for a pre-arrest warrant, the main reason for judging the warrant is that one is the significance of the charge, how serious the charge is, and the rest are feared to escape or destroy evidence. Of course, it is not always possible to conclude that there is a fear of escape or destruction of evidence in itself, but if the evidence presented to the warrant judge shows that the suspect refuses to make a statement despite the fact that the charges have been proven, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit may argue that there will be a risk of escape or destruction of evidence in the future if he is released or returned home compared to his previous attitude. Therefore, this point may be a little unfavorable to the judge if he refused to make a statement in issuing a warrant.
[Anchor]
Didn't the ruling party lawmakers interview the president before he headed to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? Based on the statements, the president probably talked to the ruling party members, but will the ruling party's offensive continue in the future?
[Borrowing]
First of all, the ruling party is saying that it will propose an emergency martial law independent counsel law in relation to the civil war. That's why, looking at the president's message today, hard-line lawmakers are asking the leadership to provide the special prosecution law on emergency martial law, which is quite high. In any case, from President Yoon's point of view, he appealed to the supporters who supported him once more, so from the point of view of the lawmakers who went to his residence, they are likely to take the lead in amplifying such voices. And as we mentioned earlier today, what vehicle will the president ride when he leaves his official residence and moves? I told you about that. But if you look at it now, the vehicle that the president is in is a vehicle with a flashlight. When I see that, I think I'm in a security guard vehicle. If so, it is highly likely that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made concessions to the extent that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not take the convoy prepared by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but rather in the process of arresting and executing it. In the case of those who think critically about these parts, they may say that they gave preferential treatment, but in my opinion, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit seems to have focused more on securing the president's whereabouts in some way, as they moved to the security agency's vehicle.
[Anchor]
As you just said, can we still make the issue legal for moving in a bodyguard vehicle?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Since the convoy method is not specifically stipulated by law, it seems a little difficult to question this based on legal grounds. Of course, as the story goes, compared to the parties to other issues, this is not a special treatment, and this is not equal in the end, but there is no specific regulation on this, and on the other hand, the execution of the arrest warrant is completed in the end, and I think it is meaningless to discuss this part because I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can partially understand and make concessions and proceed with the transfer in the process.
[Anchor]
Politically, if there is a controversy over preferential treatment, the opposition party is likely to take this as the opposition party and launch an offensive against the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Wouldn't the ruling party be heading to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as the ruling party is doing?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Of course, the confrontation between the ruling party and the opposition party is very important for Yoon Suk Yeol's political position in the future, regardless of the impeachment phase, right? Therefore, from a political association's point of view, these are very important from a politician's point of view because the current people's power and the Democratic Party's approval rating are almost close, and some predict that this could be golden cross. So, about 30 lawmakers came out to their official residence at 4 a.m. to argue that the arrest warrant is illegal, deceiving, expedient, and unjustified, is not irrelevant to the current indicator of public opinion. I don't know what will happen to the president's legal action if he goes out like this, but aside from that, I don't know what will happen to the president's judicial process, his arrest, and then the second arrest warrant.
Once this is done, where will this arrow go? There is a high possibility that it will go to the Democratic Party of Korea and Chairman Lee Jae-myung. That has been the case if you look at the history of our people and the history of Korean politics. If one side is completely judged or ended, the heat like this deterioration will then be directed to the other side, so there is a high possibility that it will become turbulent Korean politics in the future. Every corner of the country has these things of the incumbent president, so when politicians collude with their supporters, isn't there a big explosion when it's connected? So, politicians say that our system, the rule of law, politics, and constitutional order are the things that turn chaos into order. If the conflict deepens through the connection with the supporters like this, public opinion will be divided, and if that happens, the constitutional order will likely be in jeopardy again, so aren't politicians going in the opposite direction? Therefore, in the end, I think the damage will inevitably be lost to our people.
[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has moved to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and will start investigating soon, but he may be doing it. Let me go through the legal process. Is it highly likely that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will decide whether to request an arrest warrant or not within 48 hours, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will claim it for now?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Looking at the situation so far, I think there is a high possibility of claiming. First of all, I failed in the first warrant execution, and I think it's the last time I've executed the second arrest warrant, so it's a little hard to imagine that I'm going to investigate today or by tomorrow and go home right away. Also, isn't there a lot of external criticism of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? As a result, isn't there a high possibility of requesting an arrest warrant? In fact, if he returns home, additional investigations will be clearly needed from then on, but it is unclear whether President Yoon will voluntarily attend or not, so I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will conduct the investigation today on the premise of requesting a preliminary arrest warrant.
[Anchor]
Didn't President Yoon not appear on the first impeachment hearing date? If President Yoon's side is to be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit now, what will happen to the second hearing tomorrow?
[Seo Jung-bin]
The first round was closed in almost 4 minutes because he was absent, and in terms of content, several objections were dismissed and ended. However, even if President Yoon does not attend the impeachment trial tomorrow, if he does not attend, he can proceed without attendance from the next date. However, if he does, it would be a little difficult for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to hold him to attend the impeachment trial. If he clearly expresses his intention, he could actually attend the impeachment trial.
[Anchor]
The kind that comes back in after being present during the investigation...
[Jeongbin Seo]
I think that's a possibility.
[Anchor]
In the meantime, President Yoon Suk Yeol has repeatedly said that he will be judged by the Constitutional Court before the investigation. Then, how likely is there that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol in the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will say that I will go to the Constitutional Court tomorrow or attend?
[Borrowing]
I can't rule out the possibility of that. I think the possibility has increased relatively. From President Yoon's point of view, it is highly likely that he would rather go to the Constitutional Court to tell his story because he has continued to say that the impeachment trial should be conducted first, and he does not recognize the investigation right of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself. And another thing that I'm concerned about right now is what did you say earlier today? I told him that I decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. From his point of view, there is a high possibility that he will claim that he has voluntarily started. That's why I won't do a late-night survey after today's survey, then I'll go home. I'm going back to my official residence. I can't rule out the possibility of arguing like this at all. So, we can't rule out a situation where President Yoon could argue that we were in voluntary attendance, not responding to the arrest, and say that the car we just got in is why we were in the security service vehicle.
[Anchor]
But if you announce your intention to return home after doing so, can't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit exercise the force to execute the warrant?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Of course it is. Until now, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has been considering it as a warrant execution process and has actually moved, so this is the result of the warrant execution, not voluntary attendance, which is why we can investigate for 48 hours according to the law and therefore cannot arbitrarily return home.
[Anchor]
We continue to show President Yoon entering the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building on a still screen captured by the camera. If we announce our intention to attend the second hearing of the Constitutional Court tomorrow, wouldn't the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit go nowhere again? What do you think, Professor Chang?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Isn't the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit supposed to be idle anyway? I think there is a 100% chance of exercising the right to remain silent. And didn't the statement just now make it clear that we can't admit the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit investigation? So, I didn't respond because I made this expression illegally and illegally. However, as the professor said, we should go to the Constitutional Court as soon as possible. I wanted to go out on the first date last time, but I couldn't go out now because of the arrest warrant, right? So, I think there is a high possibility that he will go out and explain himself in the second hearing tomorrow.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol goes to the second hearing tomorrow, there were many predictions that the Constitutional Court would speed up quickly if the hearing date proceeds without a suspect, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol goes out and expresses his position, will the speed of the Constitutional Court change?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Personally, I don't think that's necessarily the case. They have already revealed specific details through lawyers and agents, and they are making very various claims. I've filed a number of objections. Therefore, regardless of whether President Yoon is present or not, wouldn't the referee be considerably longer through the delegation? I was expecting the opinion that it could be a little longer than expected, but even if President Yoon attends, I think he will use the defense logic revealed through the existing lawyers, so I don't think attending will delay the judgment.
[Anchor]
It seems that there have been several consultations during the execution of the warrant by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. According to the breaking news from the police, there were many rumors that the deputy bodyguard would execute an arrest warrant in the first place and that he did, but the police did not arrest the deputy bodyguard, Lee Kwang-woo, and Kim Sung-hoon. So, the deputy security chief and the head of the security headquarters accepted the claim because they insisted that President Yoon's security was a priority and did not arrest him immediately. In the end, the two deputy bodyguards, Kim Sung-hoon and Lee Kwang-woo, promised to attend, and now the news that they are guarding the president came through the police as a breaking news on the scene. There seem to have been various consultations, but it seems that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has accepted it to some extent, right?
[Borrowing]
That's right. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, why do you want to execute the arrest warrant for the deputy chief of security and the head of security? In fact, I think it's very likely that the security agents resisted the orders of the deputy chief of security by psychological agitation because the primary purpose is to block the physical barriers of the security guards. So, in fact, if the security agents did not create a physical wall, there is no reason to worry about the arrest of the deputy chief of security and the head of the security headquarters from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Even so, the arrest warrant was not executed, but I don't think that they will be charged with violating the actual law in the future and obstructing the execution of public affairs. Even if it's discussed later, since everything is focused on the arrest of President Yoon now, if this is done, I think the secondary problem can be put off.
[Anchor]
Former Chief Park Jong-joon has already attended several times and has been investigated by the police. Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon and Director Lee Kwang-woo promised to attend, and several other executives at the security office were asked to attend. Then, other people are more likely to attend and be investigated in the future.
[Jeongbin Seo]
I think there's a good chance of that. In the end, investigations are being conducted from the top, and in the future, investigations are being conducted in a way that goes down from the top, such as Chief of Security Kim Sung-hoon or Chief of Security Lee Kwang-woo. Therefore, if an investigation is conducted on them, there seems to be a good chance that an investigation will be conducted on other commanders and other employees. Of course, that doesn't mean it's difficult to investigate even all front-line employees, so I think to some extent, the investigation will proceed within the command and stop there.
[Anchor]
The news from the presidential office was that an emergency senior meeting would be held at 2 p.m. today, presided over by Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok, was reported as a breaking news from the presidential office. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said that President Yoon responded to the arrest to prevent the people from getting hurt. Also, before leaving his official residence, Yoon's last story is that the most important thing for me at this moment is not to get hurt, and I will fight with the people until the end. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said this. What kind of intent is this supposed to be?
[Borrowing]
As the president said earlier, he thanked the people for supporting him. In particular, I am grateful for the reawareness of liberal democracy among young people. That's why you said the future is bright. The problem is this. Only those who support and support Yoon's illegal and unconstitutional emergency martial law are talking about what he is talking about, and those who are talking about the opposite idea are not paying attention to it at all. I'm quite sorry that these parts are close to the current president's status. President Yoon said that the future of the Republic of Korea is bright, but I think these parts cast a dark shadow over the future.
[Anchor]
What issues will be discussed here if an emergency senior meeting is held at 2 o'clock presided over by the chief of staff?
[Jang Sung Ho]
Well, I don't know if I'm going to disclose the contents of the meeting or not, but if it's private, didn't the president say that he will fight with the people until the end today, and that's illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal? We will also talk about the conversation, behind closed doors, and openly, the president is suspended from the standpoint of the presidential office, and let's work hard for the people and people's livelihoods without being shaken by the acting president. I think it'll be a place where you make a commitment.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon is investigated today and he will appear at the Constitutional Court tomorrow at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, is there any legal conditions for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to comply with that?
[Jeongbin Seo]
Actually, I've never seen anything like this before. I've never seen a arrested or detained suspect go outside while being investigated for external schedules, especially trials, and I'll have to look at it in detail, but I don't think there are any specific legal regulations on this. Therefore, it is believed that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should eventually determine whether to allow it or not. In the end, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not allow him to attend, especially President Yoon, if he is forced not to attend the impeachment trial, which will lead to criticism of the opposition again, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will consider that.
[Anchor]
If President Yoon Suk Yeol attends the second hearing tomorrow, he will miss a few hours in the 48 hours given to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Then, can we extend it and proceed further?
[Jeongbin Seo]
You can't extend it like that, and in the end, you have to decide whether you want an arrest warrant or release it within 48 hours of your arrest.
[Anchor]
Earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit saw that there is a high possibility of a claim, and the court will decide, but if the court issues it, it pointed out earlier what requirements to issue it, such as the seriousness of the charges and the fear of escape. But if I dismiss it, what will be the case?
[Jeongbin Seo]
If I dismiss it, I think the president's status will eventually act as a very important judgment factor. After all, there is no fear of escape. So, as a president, there is clearly a risk of escape compared to ordinary people, and I think it is very important that there is no fear of such escape because he has been staying in his official residence until now. Another point to consider is that the guarantee of defense rights will also be considered considerably. The right to exercise the right to defend not only as a president but also as a party is relatively important not only in the criminal investigation process but also in the impeachment trial that is actually going on in parallel. So, if the court dismisses it, there is relatively little or no such fear of escape. And I think the decision will be made in consideration of the aspect of the need to guarantee defense rights.
[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here.
So far, I have been with Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Cha Jae-won, a special professor at Busan Catholic University, and lawyer Seo Jeong-bin. Thank you.
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