Hong Seok-joon said, "The National Election Commission's security system is a mess...It is natural to raise the issue of election fraud."

[YTN radio news fighting]

□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: January 16, 2025 (Thursday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Castor: Hong Seok-joon, former National Power Rep.(phone)

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◆ PD Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): There were many members of the People's Power when the arrest warrant was executed against the president on the day the four presidents were executed. We've been in touch with each other a lot, but should I say that the party leadership is gathering a little bit? I'm refraining from messaging. I'm sure many people are curious about what kind of thoughts they have. Let's connect Hong Seok-jun, a member of the National Power, and listen to the story. How are you, Senator?

◇ Hong Seok-jun, former member of the People's Power (Hong Seok-jun): Hello, Director Ye. Long time no see.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, hello. Yes, this is the emergency martial law 123, and 43 days after the emergency martial law was issued, the arrest warrant for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol was executed. The security service opened the way a little easier than I expected. Reports are coming out now, and when the investigators who went to arrest the investigation went in, they said they would voluntarily attend, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit announced that an arrest warrant was executed. How do you evaluate these situations?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Well, it's necessary for the security service to face off for a long time, and especially since Park Jong-joon resigned, there will be some psychological fluctuations in the leadership. Nevertheless, I did my best to protect him.Ma said that a total of 4,300 police officers were mobilized this time because President Yoon Suk Yeol was under some basic security guidelines that bloodshed should not be fought. So, the case of being guarded by an overwhelming number was not as strong as I thought, and the president's chief of staff and lawyers made some coordination such as voluntary attendance.Ma was not only in the convoy due to the stubborn position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but it seems that the president has now gone to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in some form of arrest.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Before the situation becomes like this, why don't we just voluntarily attend and go home after receiving necessary investigation like the cases of former presidents? Because Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok kept making these efforts right before. Attendance at the third place. In the end, it didn't work, and the arrest warrant was executed. Yes, do you have any regrets? What do you think?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, that's right. If you look at the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit right now, what is a little unconvinced is that the purpose of some presidential investigation into the alleged civil war is not the purpose of arresting the president, right? That's why, instead of simply not responding to the summons three times, as if conducting a military operation to arrest a sitting president, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has been bent on arresting him too much this time, despite the fact that it can investigate the incumbent president in honor of him in consultation with his lawyers, whether in writing, visiting, or in a third place. I have committed many illegal acts in the process, so the aftermath will be quite big and no matter what the consequences will be afterwards, many people will not understand. I'm afraid it'll result in that.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol put out a video of himself recording a message to the nation just before the execution of the arrest warrant. We also reported, but the arguments that have been made here have been repeated a little bit. It's an illegal investigation. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no investigative power. The emergency martial law was a reasonable decision. You said these things. How did you see it? I expressed it like this that the law all collapsed.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, I'm very sorry and angry that the rule of law in Korea seems to have collapsed a little, but if you think about it closely, all the procedures are now being marked as illegal. First of all, the commission has no investigative authority over civil war crimes and of course it should go to the Central District Court under the Corruption Investigations Unit Act in the process of issuing warrants, but it did so in the Western District Court as if it were judge shopping for warrants, especially this time around, the law has effectively collapsed against any continuing illegal acts, such as unauthorized intrusion into the presidential residence, the nation's top military facility, even though no such exception has been made explicit that the judge in charge of warrants cannot be executed at a criminal procedure law Article 110-111, or a military facility.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: And the fact that this illegality was committed by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police in the process of forcibly arresting a sitting president for the first time is expected to cause a lot of responsibility and controversy in the future.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Are you saying that the court's issuance of a warrant is illegal?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Well, it's not revealed yet, but it should be done in principle under the Central District Court's Corruption Investigations Unit Act, and so far, all the requests from the Corruption Investigations Unit have been made to the Central District Court, but this time, strangely, the Western District Court is not 100% revealed.Ma's application for a warrant to the Central District Court was first dismissed, and then the request was made to the Western District Court, but it has not been revealed yet. If that happens, I'm sure I'll have to say that some kind of false official documentation or some kind of illegality has been done now.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes. Well, we'll reveal that this part has not been confirmed yet. This is the part that needs to be checked. Then, objections to various warrants are rejected, and as you said, the leadership is now accusing the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit of abuse of authority and illegal arrest and imprisonment. Kwon Sung-dong and Kwon Young-se's leadership filed a complaint. Yes, yes. I filed a complaint. Then, it is illegal for an arrest warrant to be executed, but the security service doesn't stop the illegal arrest and detention situation anyway, and the security service just followed it like that. Should I look at it like this? Because anyway, the attendance was made according to the president's position that he would attend to prevent a bloody conflict, and the arrest warrant was executed, which would lead to illegal arrest and imprisonment, right? the people of ∀
◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, that's right. Therefore, the People's Power has now filed a complaint against the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for abuse of authority, illegal arrest and imprisonment, and violation of the Military Base and Military Facility Protection Act. Because as I said earlier, there are no exceptions to Article 110-111 of the Criminal Procedure Act, so it is an illegal invasion of the official residence, which is the best military facility in Korea, without permission. That's why he filed a complaint against this clear violation of the law, and yet the president seems to have decided to attend the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to avoid any conflict between the public authorities if the security service clashes with the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, especially the police.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The fact that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit issued false official documents still needs to be confirmed, but you have said many things, and one of them is the permission to enter the official residence. Yes, 55 guards' approval stamp forgery is also being claimed. Is there a basis for that?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: This is not an argument, and the basis has already been clearly revealed. This is because this area is the best military security facility in our country. That's why you have to get the consent of the person in charge here. The president's current residence is guarded by the 55th Guard, a member of the Capital Defense Command, on the outskirts, and the 55th Guard is now commanded by the chief of security. Therefore, when a person enters or exits from the 55th Guard Corps under the Capital Defense Agency, he will be given the status of a security guard. Now, it has already been revealed that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the National Guard Agency asked the 55th Guard to come as the leader, and the general manager took away the official seal without knowing any reason, and now stamped it, right? That's why this is obviously going to be a lot of problems in the future.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, this story has been reported on YTN, but I'll tell you exactly what the new news is about. The president left a handwritten letter. Uh, I talked strongly about the fraudulent election, so I'll read this part for a moment. The fraudulent election system is not something that political forces can try and promote independently. Even before saying that international solidarity and cooperation are needed, it is advantageous for domestic political forces to acquire political power by joining hands with external sovereignty encroaching forces. In fact, in the context, it seems to be talking about fraudulent elections by saying that they engaged in anti-state acts in collusion with external forces against the current opposition party. Regarding this claim, the NEC has said several times that it is impossible for now and no more, but the president seems to continue to emphasize this position in various situations. What kind of background is it?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, in Korea, when we talk about fraudulent elections, there are some strong frames such as conspiracy theories. In fact, as you know, elections are the most important means of making political decisions for our liberal democracy. That's why there should be no suspicion about this election. If there is a suspicion of fraudulent elections, we should consider whether it is true and take supplementary measures if there is another problem, but I'm very sorry that the fraudulent election issue itself is being pushed to a frame for political dispute. The president seems to have made such a decision because he received various reports, but in my case, I was also briefed on the results of a security audit by the National Intelligence Service and the Internet Promotion Agency through Kisa while in my 21st bag. Although some of it has been supplemented now, some security system of the Central Election Commission was a mess.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Because it wasn't the most basic of security, the internal and external separation network, and there were some traces of Kim Sook-hee, for example, that were actually strong against any North Korean hacking. And the password was also too simple with 12 3 4 5 passwords, and it was true that any Internet security, such as that, was very weak. And although it was not actually a reversal of the vote, after reviewing the vote count again, Rep. Min Kyung-wook in Incheon, or hundreds of invalid or incorrectly written votes, were actually found during the inspection process.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: That's why it's only natural for me to take supplementary measures or raise some questions about these things. Also, Romania, Stan Congo, which imported the so-called A-Web, which imported Korea's voting system, had re-election due to fraudulent elections, so I wonder if the president used this international issue or something like this expression.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Anyway, this argument is not an official position, but we've confirmed it as our position. The president also sent a message about the party, which is mentioned slightly in a letter, but rather than a letter, the country is collapsing to lawmakers who visited the party in person. What is the point of the party? It is only a model student. It should be more combative. The Democratic Party of Korea is the leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, even if its approval rating falls. He said, "You defended your country, but why are we staying still?" How did you like it?

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, I agree with a lot of what the president said. Many people say that the people's fighting power is very weak compared to the Democratic Party. Especially when the president's approval rating dropped when he was in this crisis, the party didn't agree at all or took some attitude as if it stood in the Democratic Party's position. I think the president pointed out the difference in attitude from the Democratic Party, which defended his country from beginning to end, and since the president's approval rating has risen a little recently, the president seems to have indirectly expressed the power of the people and some members of the parliament to protect his official residence. But I think all of these are the mistakes of the nomination process on the 20th, and the mistakes of the incumbent lawmakers' evaluation. I think it's a bit painful to think that the results of accumulating such things came out like this.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, actually, you worked as a Daegu district and as a vice mayor, so you probably know the public sentiment of Daegu, but yes, 29 lawmakers went out when the second arrest warrant was stopped. In enforcement, tk local councillors were the most, with 12 members. Does it reflect local public sentiment? How do you read the local public sentiment? Please say a few words.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: There's a saying in the political circle that the approval rating is a gangster, but the president's approval rating is rising a little now, especially in the TK area, and especially in the TK area, there are a lot of TK members because they've lost a lot of weight in the past and have risen a lot recently. However, among the 108 lawmakers belonging to the Korean People's Power, there are relatively many TK lawmakers, and as the 22nd generation suffered a crushing defeat in the Seoul metropolitan area, TK lawmakers seem to have a relatively large proportion of active members, but there were a lot of party chairmen on the scene. Most of the chairmen of the party's cooperation committee were also attended by the chairmen of the party's cooperation committee in the metropolitan area.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, sir. The party is demanding the same speed for the Lee Jae-myung trial. Yes, yes, please tell me your position one more time.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Yes, in order for the judiciary of the Republic of Korea to maintain some order and identity of our country and to properly examine the people's livelihoods, the judiciary must be executed fairly and fairly to everyone. The current impeachment trial of President Yoon Suk Yeol is proceeding at a high speed, but I don't think representative Lee Jae-myung's trial should continue as a bed trial. Fortunately, the Supreme Court is now saying that it will abide by the 633 principle of the election law, and recently, the Seoul High Court said it would not distribute the new case to the Lee Jae-myung's Public Official Election Act until March 12, so I'm looking forward to seeing Lee Jae-myung's trial that fits the principle.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: It came out to agencies in the parliamentary investigation. Prime Minister Han Deok-soo should also come out and the president should follow the Constitution and the law. And most of the remarks mean that emergency martial law is wrong. That's what lawmakers of the People Power say, but the president's message is that emergency martial law is a legitimate execution and exercise of the president's authority. I think they're in different positions.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: So I don't think it's much different. First of all, emergency financial order rights, including emergency economic constitution, and such national emergency rights are national emergency powers that can only be issued by the president under the constitution. Oh, but I think it's another matter of defense to talk about whether the emergency right of the state, including emergency martial law, did well or not. Therefore, evaluating whether the 123 emergency martial law was a matter that was invoked as an emergency martial law, and the president's authority to invoke it, I think it is a matter of what kind of argument it is, and even if the emergency martial law is illegal, whether it is decided by the president's impeachment or not is completely separate.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. We'll take another time to listen to this story in detail. Yes, thank you for talking today.

◇ Hong Seok-jun: Thank you.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: It was Hong Seok-jun, former lawmaker of the People's Power.