Cheon Ha-ram "Rejecting 尹's statement? "I'll be arrested no matter what."

[YTN radio news fighting]

□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: January 16, 2025 (Thursday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Castor: Cheon Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party

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◆ Producer Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): It's not a regret for a young man who starts off very excitedly with a song called "Regret of the times." It's time to hold it in and pass this winter with the expectation that it would be nice to have a pleasant feeling. You're still serving as a member of the National Assembly impeachment committee today, right? I am the floor leader of the New Reform Party. We've invited you to the Cheon Ha-ram's studio. Please come in.

◇ Chun Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party (hereinafter Chun Ha-ram): Yes, I am Chun Ah-ram of the New Reform Party.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Emergency martial law 123 It is the first time in history that an arrest warrant has been executed for an incumbent president in 43 days after the emergency martial law incident. How

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: I don't know if you think I'm a little distant, but I'm very grateful to Colonel Park Jung-hoon. Yes, so what this means is that when I said that I was executing an arrest warrant, I was most worried about what if there were any fires between state agencies with guns, so what if I literally went into a state of civil war? However, Colonel Park Jung-hoon's ruling came out at an exquisite time, thinking that the Republic of Korea's national fortunes did not fulfill, and he does not have to comply with orders that are clear that it is unconstitutional. Yes, that's right. In fact, as the ruling came out to the level that it should not be followed a little further, I think our front-line security guards at the security office and our working-level officials felt the lesson of the ruling well.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: So I think Colonel Park Jung-hoon, who was dispatched to the National Assembly on martial law night, and in a way, we, soldiers, and front-line employees of our security service prevented the complete collapse of the constitutional order of the Republic of Korea or the possibility of a civil war. That's why the arrest will be made peacefully

◆ Kim Woosung: I was able to do it

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Of course, the arrest of a sitting president is very unfortunate and bitter.What if the fire occurred in the process? So I think it was an event that showed peacefully and peacefully that President Uh is not a king and that we are not above the Constitution.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: What else can we do here? What else can we do if we add two and a half years to our term of office? It is said that former President Yoon did it in front of lawmakers and administrators who visited his residence, but as you just said, there is also a matter of ruling on former investigation team leader Park Jung-hoon. However, because of various actions by the security service that prevent bloodshed conflict, the president decided to attend because he was worried about bloodshed conflict through messages. I sent a message like this. Yes, it's a bit different from what you just explained.
◇ [Voiceover] I think that's just what I'm saying. It's a little different from the actual facts. To do that, we should have talked about it before the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police broke through to the last gate of the security service.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: It's true if you opened the door in advance.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: If I said I would voluntarily attend even when I came to the first gate, I would have said that we are still doing the last attempt as president, but with the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and police investigators already in the residence, I will voluntarily attend because I am concerned about a conflict after all the situations that could conflict have passed. This is actually a lie. I think it was just your last excuse.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] And yet he sent a very strong message. Especially for those who visit the residence, it's like a newspaper broadcast these days.Legacy media is biased. They said that they talked about looking at well-organized information on YouTube. Turn off all the TV and turn on YouTube instead of looking at the newspaper. This is about how to message

◇ It's very sad. In fact, I hope that responsible politicians will watch more of the legacy media in the era of extreme politics, which pursues minimal cross-checking and anyway even minimal formalities, than YouTube, where the extreme logic of each camp is conveyed without filtration. The media should send such a message to the people, but if you watch YouTube while antagonizing the media and antagonizing all legacy media, it's a terrible level to see if this is really the level of the president of the Republic of Korea. So that's what it's like. Individual legacy media, so individual media companies, can have some bias or their own perspectives.

◇ There's political power, of course. It could be partisan. Yes, but all media companies are rotten, so if you look at YouTube, where various news outlets with political influence come together and balance, you can't understand the factionalism of this media or the entire role of any media, and continue to expand and reproduce only my arguments. I can only say that this is a very disastrous level.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: There are also a number of other social concerns about YouTube. Well, this is not just a political story, but there are a lot of things. In such a situation, there are reports that it is in the same context as YouTube's claim that the YouTube YouTuber president said, but the story of the fraudulent election has been lengthened in a handwritten letter this time. But I'm actually very careful to introduce the content. It refers to the Democratic Party. If the opposition party becomes a large opposition party that occupies a large number of seats in the National Assembly in partnership with external sovereignty encroaching forces, it cannot try independently while talking about anti-state acts contrary to national interests, and is moving toward international solidarity and cooperation. Whether this is a national emergency equivalent to a wartime incident or not, the contents of the letter are to repeat the legitimacy of martial law and the talk of fraudulent elections. You're also a lawyer. What do you think?

◇ [Voiceover] I think what I'm referring to now is China and North Korea. My guess is that if there was such a large-scale rigged election, what have the nation's numerous investigative agencies and intelligence agencies done so far? And dereliction of duty becomes dereliction of duty. Your term of office didn't start yesterday. And there have been a number of election cases so far by the Supreme Court. So this means that not only the election committee in Korea but also the police, prosecutors, and the Supreme Court are rotten. This much, but this much, our country is already ruined. Oh really, if another country says that it can manipulate all the election results of the Republic of Korea and cause a fraudulent election, why isn't our country now subjugated to China or North Korea? If it's that bad, the country is already ruined. And anyone who knows the election system at all knows better than anyone else that this is impossible because each party's vote counting observers go in and observe several votes.

◇ Cheonha-ram: The power of the people is also promoted every election, saying, "Don't worry about fraudulent elections and vote in advance." Perhaps the president of Yoon Suk Yeol himself did it in his own election. Then I'm just saying, "Let's just say everything that doesn't fit logically, let's unite our sides." So I'll tell you this. The whole world is against me. So if you feel like you're forcing yourself out, you have to think about whether I'm wrong. So, some people in the court, some people in the prosecution, some people in the NIS, some people in the police, etc. might be anti-state forces. But the majority of court prosecutors cannot be anti-state forces. If that's the case, the country is already ruined. But everyone is rotten right now, and only me and YouTube are real. Then I have to think about whether there's something wrong with me and YouTube.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: You also pointed out the principled story. In this situation, the People's Power leadership is also now known to have accused the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit of abuse of authority, illegal arrest, and imprisonment. As you said earlier, such claims include the execution of warrants and the issuance of various warrants, but everything about you is now illegal in the message of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. It's illegal, but I'm going. I think YouTubers are saying that too.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: If the left-wing judicial cartel is rotten to this extent and the warrant is illegal, why didn't they come out in Hannam-dong? Let's protect the president of Yoon Suk Yeol Kwon Young-se and Kwon Sung-dong, two of them came to Hannam-dong and asked why they didn't plan a scrub. It doesn't make sense logically. If this is a really illegal warrant and it's enough to accuse the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, shouldn't they have come and thrown themselves to block it? Why are you sitting in a warm conference room and just saying there's a problem with this? That's why it doesn't make sense logically. If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the court are really acting like anti-state forces and are engaged in illegal judicial acts, all the members of the People's Power should come and scramble to prevent it. Yes, I didn't do that and now I'm going to file a complaint with the Senior Civil Ser What kind of contradiction are you talking about?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: And this is because the Western District Court has already rejected the objection and four warrants are coming out, and all the judges in charge of it are rotten? You have to say something that makes sense. If you talk about this, you'll see it later. In the past, some members of the Democratic Party of Korea denied the Supreme Court's ruling in the case of Governor Kim Kyung-soo or Prime Minister Han Myung-sook before that. At that time, it was a mess not to deny justice in the power of the people, but to order the law. This is not the future of the power of the people. It's breaking down the whole value system. If they are a conservative party, they should respect the judiciary for law and order, law and principle, but they destroy all their value system now and make the future of the party completely devastated. This

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, once arrested, and now the arrest warrant has been executed as of 10:33. Since the announcement of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it has been 13 minutes since 8:12 today, but it is refusing all statements, refusing to record videos, and refusing to read and seal the statement. There is also an analysis that this is a response that came out because he is an expert who has been investigating a lot. If this happens, the public is curious about the investigation and what the situation will be like in the future. Rep. Cheon Ha-ram is also a lawyer, so what happens?

◇ Is this going to be arrested unconditionally? Yes, if you do this, you will be arrested unconditionally. Because there are a lot of warrants for other former Minister Kim Yong-hyun and those who participated in or played an important role in the insurrection. That's why there will be no problem in restraining. Rather, it seems that just silently responding without cooperating with the investigation or trying to correct something through one's own verbal statement may be a good basis for acknowledging the need for arrest. Of course, the exercise of the right to reject statements itself cannot be penalized. However, with other accomplices in custody now, it is probably impossible not to arrest only the water system, and I think so instead. People who like to talk like that really like to talk about how to put up with it. President Yoon really likes to talk about it.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Well, it starts with 59 minutes of talking alone an hour, so when I see that the person who likes to say that is holding it in, I feel that I am legally in a very big crisis. That's how I rate it.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, the opposition has raised the level. You just told me about the reaction and position of the people's power, but now that President Yoon has been arrested, First Lady Kim Gun-hee should also be arrested and investigated. In particular, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party seems to speak up a lot about this, so what is your position on this?

◇ That's right. That's right, so I have to put it together that the Democrats need to be especially calm anyway. Yes, I think there are parts that the people see as if they are a little too excited right now. You look so impatient. Of course, the investigation of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee should take place. It will come true. Yes, Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee will not be able to oppose it forever, and of course, it will be inevitable. But now that we have a victory, we don't have to push it as if it's almost like going through a purge process after President Park Geun Hye in the past. So I need to be calm. The messages they share and the Democratic Party of Korea also feels that they need to quickly proceed with impeachment or investigation due to the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung. Of course, impeachment and investigation should be done quickly. I think about it, but if you look at it recently, what is it?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, the Democratic Police Department. It's like the president doesn't believe in the election results because their approval ratings have recently fallen. I think it makes sense that this approval rating makes sense and that they will crack down on all fake news. If this happens, the president is like that, too. I have to think that I should do better if my approval rating falls and I lose the election, but the Democratic Party of Korea has good news like this, but our approval rating is stagnant or falling like this. Isn't this fake news? And rather, people carry strange news on Kakao Talk, so yes, so beyond martial law, we will make a democratic police box and beat up fake news about representative Lee Jae-myung. Yes, this is too much and you look too impatient. No, if the approval rating falls, no, our party should do better, but I'll beat the people who spread fake news. This is insane right now.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: In a way, these show the impatience of Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party of Korea, and rather give the people the illusion that they are speeding up the impeachment process, which should actually proceed quickly, because of the impatience of Chairman Lee Jae-myung. I have to be careful with the opposition parties as well.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: We actually heard the Democratic Party's position regarding something. Well, in principle, fake news and false information are cracked down on in this situation, but there is no need to take actions that are misunderstood. Of course, of course, I'll say it in my own way. Now that we're talking about it, we're going to ask you one more time behind other details and go straight to this. Of course, the analysis of emergency martial law that violates the constitution, which is illegal and unconstitutional, actually sympathizes with the power of the people to some extent. And the investigation into the alleged rebellion is also accelerating through various arrest trials, but the approval rating shown through the polls is moving toward a structure. It's not an issue. In terms of issues, the power of the people is very defensive and the president has to be defensive, but it is going to a kind of structure, and neither side has won.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] So the third is actually an old story. In the political world, there were many talks about the Ahn Cheol Soo of new political forces and Yoo Seung Min. Now, CEO Lee Joon-seok seems to be wondering what kind of values and solidarity strategies are needed in this structure as he formalizes the presidential election. Of course, this is a bit ahead of the curve. It's after the impeachment trial was cited, but

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: First of all, if you look at the recent trend of approval ratings, I think that President Yoon Suk Yeol is done even in the supporters of the people's power.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: He said that his approval rating is good.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, so what I mean is that when the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is alive, politically and politically, and now he is in office, it is evaluated as an absolute evaluation. Yes or not, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol says that it is already politically over and it is time to move on, it becomes a relative evaluation with the Democratic Party candidate. That's why we should think about Yoon Suk Yeol Next and empower the conservative candidates rather than Lee Jae-myung.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Then you have to give strength to that response, not President ∀, right? It's not Lee Jae-myung who is not representative

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Representative Lee Jae-myung, so it appears in the present, like the rally of anti-Lee Jae-myung forces. Then, if you ask when this will be eliminated, it can be even more eliminated after the candidate for the power of the people is decided. Now, there are many candidates for the power of the people, and no matter who they support, Lee Jae-myung is not allowed, so it is a form that is gathered with the support of the people.

◇ [Voiceover] And then Lee Joon-seok, of course, it's a bit early, but when the two camps eventually go into a very extreme form of confrontation, it's not a matter of left or right, but a discourse that really moves forward and leads to a generational change of politics, a change of power, And if the main opposition party clearly shows the agenda of saying, "Lee Joon-seok and the New Reform Party will talk about policies and people's livelihoods at a time when people's livelihoods are in such a difficult situation, I think there will be a possibility if I give conviction that Lee Joon-seok and the New Reform Party will really talk about policies and people's livelihoods. I don't want to commit crimes or that I don't want to go to prison, but I'm really doing it to develop the country in the future."

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Not the message, but the need to communicate closely with lawmakers such as Rep. ∀ and Rep. Ahn Cheol Soo, for example, to grow up a little bit.
◇ [Voiceover] But I don't think it should be too artificial. Of course, it should go well naturally, and what I found interesting recently is that Lee Joon-seok can also talk to Ahn Cheol Soo That's what they say.

◆ Kim Woosung: So I'm asking you

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: We were originally called Tom and Jerry, and we did this like this, but I think we can communicate actively with you who have been clearly opposed to impeachment and have been trying to protect our constitutional order.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: You made a preliminary selection. We have enough people to protect emergency martial law and the constitution, so Lee Dong-hoon, now a member of the New Reform Party, said he felt heavy about the news of President Yoon's arrest, and said, "The people's power situation is not easy." Because the president said that the Democratic Party of Korea defended its country even if its approval rating dropped, but it seemed like a model student, and the party leadership seems to be responding to it.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: So even if I look at it now, I've said this again and again, but I don't think we're fighting hard. Even I can see what the president's complaints are. Yes, but the problem is that it is a big problem to side with the president in a situation where unconstitutional emergency martial law is imposed and it is legally evaluated as an act of rebellion. So that's what I think will happen in the presidential election in the future. No matter how hard we are, we can't pick the insurrection forces that were serious, and no matter how hard we are, those who don't want to go to prison can't pick the president, but the people's power is now driving themselves to the path of the defense forces to die. Uh, so I think that the option itself will be very limited from the people's point of view, and in the process, our New Reform Party is now trying to increase its attractiveness as an option.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, since you are the floor leader of the New Reform Party, you should also ask about the New Reform Party. Lee Dong-hoon, former editor of the Chosun Ilbo, was a member of the recruitment of President Yoon Suk Yeol, but the fake fishery worker case is now on trial. Yes, I'm going to support you. It was a long commitment. There was an article like this. Wouldn't it be controversial?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: I know that we've probably had a relationship for a long time. Well, I'm actually a little cautious because I don't know 100% of this fake investigator case.Ma doesn't like saying that it's okay for us because it's someone else's fault, but on the other hand, the leading presidential candidate himself is accused of a lot and even convicted in the first trial, and it's true that the case is being fined by the person who plays a role in the camp, not the candidate himself. Well, this won't be enough to not be able to join the camp. I think so.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes. How is the conflict with CEO Heo Eun-ah going well if you say that it is acceptable in terms of camp?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: We're continuing to discuss, and we're gradually taking center stage as the party's secretariat has come up with an interpretation of the vote in a difficult situation. So, we are working hard to do various things so that we can organize it as quickly as possible.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, the poll-related information mentioned in the interview is in Part 4 of the public opinion section, and we'll give you an overview in detail. Thank you for all the comments today. Oh, thank you. You're the floor leader of the New Reform Party, aren't you? It was Rep. Cheon Ha-ram.