Yoon, you're in court...Will a sitting president be arrested for the first time?

■ Host: Anchor Na Kyung-chul, anchor Yoon Bori
■ Starring: Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, Park Kyung-mi, spokesperson for the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol at a crossroads. He attended the court in person and urged the decision to dismiss the arrest warrant.

Politicians are also paying attention to what decisions the court will make. Let's take two spokespersons from the ruling and opposition parties to point out the current situation. Kim Ki-heung, spokesperson for the People's Power, and Park Kyung-mi, spokesperson for the Democratic Party of Korea, came out. Please come in.

[Anchor]
The entire nation witnessed the incumbent president riding in a convoy of the Ministry of Justice today, how did you see this scene?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I feel sorry. And it's hard to understand whether the president should be arrested by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and an arrest warrant. In fact, the president declared martial law and the Democratic Party said it was a civil war, but in the process of finding the truth, it is not necessary to arrest the president's personal body. When you're in that aspect, it's hard to guarantee the right to defend. And it's not just criminal proceedings, is it being tried by the Constitutional Court? Then, if you look at the Constitutional Court's judgment, it is done twice a week. But even if I'm the president, it's not easy if I'm investigated or tried in relation to criminal proceedings and the Constitutional Court twice a week, right? However, if you do so under arrest, it is difficult to get assistance from a lawyer. And the National Assembly is not standing still.

It is also said that the president will be called in in the parliamentary investigation. In the end, as the Democratic Party of Korea says, even if martial law is a civil war, isn't it true that the people are convinced when the result comes out in a situation where the right to defend is guaranteed and the right to defend is sufficiently recognized in the standard of law? There are a lot of people coming out in the Western District Court and on the streets now. It's not the asphalt right or the far right as the Democrats think. It's someone's parents, someone's brother, acquaintances. In that respect, it is clear that the law must be properly applied and procedural legitimacy must be secured to prevent any conflict in the outcome or process.

[Anchor]
You're looking at the screen right now. This is the real-time view of the front of the Seoul Western District Court, where the warrant is being reviewed. You're looking at it now, and it's reported that President Yoon's supporters are occupying the road and continuing the rally. It is said that the police have controlled traffic on Mapo-daero. When President Yoon attended the Western District Court today, a photo line was created first. There was an expectation that he would deliver another message there, but he went straight into the courtroom. Why wasn't there such an order today when you continued to send such messages through people around you or yourself? What do you think?

[Park Kyungmi]
But didn't lawyer Yoon Gap-geun deliver the message instead? So there was a message that President Yoon Suk Yeol would attend and explain the legitimacy of the emergency martial law and that the crime of rebellion was not established, and restore the honor. However, in that regard, how do I justify the emergency martial law, which is an outrageous atrocity? And there's a lot of evidence, and how you're going to explain the rebellion. And the restoration of one's own honor is not the problem, but our country's reputation has been tarnished through the emergency martial law, and the people are all in a state of confusion. How can we compensate for this?

I think it's not enough for President Yoon Suk Yeol to commit a great crime in front of the people, but it's really a shame. So far, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has used all kinds of legal skills in investigations and impeachment trials, braking and delaying them. I think this attendance is probably the first judicial procedure to respond in 45 days of martial law declaration. It's a shame. And as you can see on the screen, there are many supporters in front of the Western District Court and in front of the detention center. After all, it was a shallow trick to rally supporters by showing up in a convoy today. I think the fact that supporters gathered like this, and that it was spread through broadcasting, so that it was intended to further stir and stir up supporters.

[Anchor]
I said I wouldn't attend until yesterday, but President Yoon changed his position this morning. What kind of background is there?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I don't have a democracy or rule of law where the legal process is broken. In fact, if there is a problem, you have to apply the law properly. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no authority to investigate rebellion. Who made it? It was created by the Democratic Party. through the coordination of the investigative powers of the prosecution and police And in a way, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit takes away the power of the prosecution. In a way, the prosecution has been dispersed in the process of neutralizing it. But this time, we investigate the charge of giving to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. But what's interesting is that regarding the investigation of a civil war, a civil war related to criminal prosecution and foreign exchange are possible. But since I can't do it, I'm betting it on abuse of authority. It's an expedient.

So, in the end, there were various controversies, and in the process of applying for an arrest warrant, requesting, issuing, and executing an arrest warrant, didn't you do all the tricks? There's a process like that. It is also said that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is a kkongsu office, and then an official document forgery office. So the official residence is the first class of military protection facilities. If so, it was very controversial whether you could enter that part. There was a controversy over whether or not Article 110 of the Criminal Procedure Act could be applied, and the head of the court administration said that this was the basis for sufficient prevention when the judicial members of the People's Power asked questions. That's why the security service also blocked it based on the Security Act and the Criminal Procedure Act.

But in the second round, as I was playing tricks on this part, didn't the judge who issued the arrest warrant not mention that Articles 110 and 111 should not be excluded? As a result, I called the commander of the 55th unit of security, showed him the official document, and then brought a seal and made him stamp it. If we usually see it, we send an official letter. Then send it electronically or send it to someone, and we take a picture of it and send it. But I don't know what was missing or what was urgent, but I went to the Ministry of National Defense and took a picture of calling someone to investigate. And the official letter sent a note and put it on it. I've attached an official letter. Is this normal? It's not normal.

In the midst of such a number of controversies, the president said that he would arrest the president and arrest the president, so the president said at first that he could not accept the illegality. But nevertheless, it's nothing else, it's an arrest warrant. You can refuse an arrest warrant. Because after death, this is past. However, an arrest warrant is a very different matter about being able to exercise one's right to defend oneself depending on whether he is investigated or tried later. That's why there are illegal elements, but I think I went to the court to confidently say before the judge that my martial law is not justifiable and a civil war.

[Anchor]
The two of you are fighting against each other with a trick vs. the president's attendance and calling today. According to the news we just heard, the president spoke for about 40 minutes. Because it was the president who had not responded to all investigations so far, it is said that he made such remarks to the extent that it feels very unfamiliar to speak for 40 minutes. How will these things affect you later on? What do you think about the benefits and disadvantages?

[Park Kyungmi]
I think you've probably been rambling for 40 minutes. I'm very curious about what it's about. But I think it will act as a self-winner in the future. It is known that you usually speak for 59 minutes out of 60 minutes or an hour, but I think that the practice has started again this time. Spokesman Kim said a trick. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol and his lawyers are the king of tricks. If you go back and think about it, the Constitutional Court served the trial documents in a number of ways, but it delayed the process by refusing to receive them.

And after the first arrest warrant was issued, he filed an objection and was rejected. After he was arrested, he requested an arrest suit, but it was rejected again. And when the Constitutional Court set the date of pleading from the 1st to the 5th, I filed an objection to it, and it was rejected. I applied for a challenge against a judge in the political election, but it was rejected. So I've been overusing these objections and appeals, and all of them have been concluded to be attributable. It was a complete defeat. So I'm telling you that I can't keep up with President Yoon Suk Yeol when it comes to this trick.

[Anchor]
Today, Seok Dong-hyun, a lawyer for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, said that the president's words would resonate much more than 100 lawyers, but it seems to be a little longer than expected, but he said he spoke for 40 minutes anyway, what would he have said?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I think the Democratic Party has the right to remain silent, a legitimate defense exercise. The right to remain silent. Anyone can do that. Representative Cho Kuk also exercises his right to remain silent and former Chief of Staff Lim Jong-seok also exercises his right to remain silent when investigating. Is it a problem that they exercise their right to remain silent and that the president did not answer questions from an unjustified investigative agency? It is a legally guaranteed authority. But why did the president talk about it today? The president said that. I've been talking about it for a long time. If you file an indictment or request a preliminary arrest warrant, I'll go there and talk to you. Today is the day to conduct a substantial examination of whether an arrest warrant will be issued or not. If so, it's right to talk about yourself.

And one president is more correct than 100 lawyers. That's a given. Who can do martial law? Who can declare martial law? This is a legitimate authority. It's a legitimate authority, but it's a matter of whether we follow the procedure or not, so it's a question if martial law is unconditional because we're unfamiliar with it. This isn't right. We just met to find out how legally correct it is. Then, why didn't you talk in front of the investigative agency? First of all, there is something like that because the investigative agency is wrong and has no right to investigate.

When we're talking, when the anchor asks me a question, the person who asks a question and the person who answers has the initiative, right? However, if we talk about it in an enclosed investigative agency, the president has no choice but to talk about limited things that can be stopped by the intentions of investigators and prosecutors rather than by himself. So what he claimed was that he would prosecute in front of the Constitutional Court or trial or judges and talk about it himself during the trial process or arrest warrant. So for 110 minutes now, investigators from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the prosecutor talked.

Then the lawyer talked for 110 minutes. Then the judge would have given him a chance. Why did I declare martial law against the president's accused? And why is it not a civil war in your opinion? You're talking about your position on this. If so, I think I'll talk for a long time. What kind of things, why. You didn't answer 200 questions. Then, if you heard the question and talked about it for 110 minutes at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the lawyer responded for 110 minutes, didn't you think it would be appropriate to talk about it for 40 minutes? If you didn't just rest for 20 minutes, but if you defined it as the first round, you showed us a lot of cards. If so, I think it's time for us to discuss what kind of answers we should give to that or what questions we will impeach the other party's questions and arguments through.

[Anchor]
In fact, today is the process of reviewing the actual arrest warrant, and things that are very unfamiliar to us have been going on for a very long time. In addition, the court adjourned at the request of the presiding judge in the substantive examination of the arrest warrant. This is the first time we're telling you this, too. adjourned at the request of the presiding judge, what kind of situation can we expect from within? What do you think is the reason you asked for a recess?

[Kim Gi-heung]
First of all, I don't know, but I guess it could be longer than you think, so don't you want to take a break now? But it's not getting longer, but I heard that former President Park Geun Hye also did it for 9 hours. So the standard for this part may be 9 hours, but aren't we talking about this from both sides? And didn't the airborne office bring a lot of documents from the car yesterday? Our judge continues to follow this, but he's not the judge who's been watching it all the time. Then, don't you have any questions after hearing about this? If so, I think it's bound to be long because I'm asking a question.

[Anchor]
Spokesman Kim said earlier that the right to remain silent is a legitimate exercise of rights, but it is true that this part will be applied to President Yoon's advantage in requesting an arrest warrant. That part leaves a question mark. What do you think?

[Park Kyungmi]
Will the exercise of the right to remain silent work in your favor?

[Anchor]
I wonder how it will affect whether or not an arrest warrant is requested.

[Park Kyungmi]
Well, it seems difficult to predict how it will affect whether or not an arrest warrant is requested. As you said earlier, the judge on duty is in charge of the warrant today, not the judge in charge of the warrant. I think President Yoon Suk Yeol had a false expectation that this would work in his favor. And in the case of an arrest warrant, the charges should be clarified in more detail than an arrest warrant, so considering those points, I think it was decided not to attend until yesterday, but I don't think there will be anything unusual about an arrest warrant being issued.

[Anchor]
Judge Cha Eun-kyung, who the spokesman just told you, said that the judge on duty will be heard today, what do you think about the observation that the president has changed his position to attend?

[Kim Gi-heung]
First of all, isn't it excessively raising questions about the judges of the Western District Court? You don't know what people think when they say that it's ideologically overlaid. Isn't it so? That's why it's important where and what we've talked about before. But what's interesting is that the Democratic Party seems to love the judges of the Western District Court too much. Because when recommending judges of the Constitutional Court, how did the judges of the Western District Court not even recommend the president and the chief judge? There are also many excellent people in the Seoul Central District Court. There are many in each province. But they have something in common. In a way, the Korean Law Research Association is a progressive group.

Then why are you so particularly a judge in the Western District Court? In a way, the jurisdiction of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is the Seoul Central District Court. Nevertheless, when I said I was looking for judges at the Western District Court, I also worked as a reporter for 20 years, but why is this much? That's the question. And this is a reality. Then you can raise a problem. But if you don't have a problem with this, you can do it at the Seoul Central District Court. But aren't you sticking to the Seoul Western District Court? The principle is the Seoul Central District Court. From that point of view, it is said that there is a problem and we have not made a final decision on this part.

So, I don't think it's right for us to raise questions about the final result, whether it's the Constitutional Court or the Supreme Court ruling. However, in this process, we believe that we can raise the question of whether this is a problem. I don't think the judges in charge of warrants right now are judges in the Western District Court, but we're just saying this, so we shopped, that's not it. Because when we raised an arrest warrant, it affected it. The time has increased. That's why we can't help but see it as a natural reason rather than an intention.

[Park Kyungmi]
They're also arguing a lot about the Western District Court. The Western District Court's arrest warrant is not recognized by Yoon Suk Yeol's president. And I think it's a mental victory that Spokesman Kim and President Yoon Suk Yeol are still ignoring the jurisdiction of the court even though the Central District Court rejected the arrest warrant. Let's say I'm going to make this assumption. From the beginning, an arrest warrant was requested by the Seoul Central District Court.

Then, I think he might have criticized the Western District Court, where Hannam-dong's official residence is located, at that time. This is a subjunctive. So, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is choosing an algorithm that somehow raises a problem with procedural legitimacy and delays it, and it leads to legal controversy, rather than raising an essential problem.

[Anchor]
President Yoon continues to point out the jurisdiction of the Western District Court, so if a warrant is issued in the Western District Court today, will he apply for an arrest suit?

[Kim Gi-heung]
Of course. So we have to file an objection to the extent that the law allows. I think that's a natural reason. And when a warrant is issued, we can't get it carelessly, that's not true. The legal part is accepted, and in the meantime, a situation that is not the final trial, for example, a series of current situations. Didn't you reject the Seoul Central District Court regarding the arrest warrant? I didn't explain the reason when I was dismissing, for what reason. But if I explain, the arrest warrant has already been arrested. And that's valid for 48 hours.

When we challenged it, time was almost up. So, the effective part is almost exceptionally rejected. But why did we do it? We are very desperate. There is an aspect that we have to defend ourselves by considering this part one by one. Therefore, the rejection of the arrest warrant by the Seoul Central District Court is an excessive interpretation of the interpretation that the controversy over everything has been resolved. If we raise the issue like this, we can just do it proudly, the Seoul Central District Court. But why aren't you doing it this much? I think it is the position of the Democratic Party or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that they cannot answer amid such controversy.

[Anchor]
The jurisdiction controversy actually seems to continue to be at the center. Even though the arrest suit was rejected, what kind of strategy should the president use afterwards? You're saying that we should do everything we can. What do you think about this point that the president's strategy needs to be changed?

[Kim Gi-heung]
Our first focus is this. I will be aggressive enough about the opportunity to speak in front of the judges. However, the strategy that it is difficult for us to receive investigations by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which does not have the authority to investigate, is consistent. In that respect, why did you come out today even though it was the Western District Court? This is because, in practice, the president's right to defend himself can cause irreparable damage.

[Anchor]
in case of non-attendance

[Kim Gi-heung]
That's right. in absentia Because in the case of an arrest warrant, isn't there a high possibility that the defendant will be disadvantaged if he doesn't attend? And what the media says is that he actually gave up his right to defend himself. At the same time, the possibility of a warrant being issued increased. This is the reporters' analysis, and I wrote an article like that in the past. In that respect, it's an illegal situation, but I'm going to talk to the judges in front of them. As mentioned earlier, it is qualitatively different from what is being done in front of the prosecutor of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I think that's what I did.

[Park Kyungmi]
The exercise of the right to defend is definitely important.Ma said, "If you look at the 150th page of the arrest warrant bill from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today, isn't there a lot of reasons for arrest, such as the seriousness of the crime and the risk of recidivism? If you think about it, the seriousness of the crime. In fact, there is no crime as heavy as the crime of rebellion. And regarding the destruction of evidence, the destruction of evidence has already been made, which could be a smoking gun in a way, because all the Telegram messages have already been deleted while replacing the cell phone. And there could certainly be the destruction of physical evidence of the presidential residence and the presidential office. without restraint

In addition, the defense minister and key commanders have all been arrested and charged, but there are many cases where the working-level officials involved in emergency martial law are not arrested, so there can be such human evidence destruction that kisses them. And the possibility cannot be ruled out because the risk of recidivism and the willingness to second and third martial law were strong. So in light of all these important issues, I think many people will agree that they should be arrested. That's why it's good to have a defense. No matter how much you exercise your right to defend yourself, today's conclusion will be difficult to change.

[Kim Gi-heung]
Let me refute briefly. First of all, it is possible to declare martial law again, so-called recidivism. Aren't you suspended from your job? Who's doing what? I don't know how the Democrats see it doing this. Second, the Democratic Party keeps talking about rebellion and rebellion. Don't you trust the people? Is it a rebellion? I think it is the Democratic Party of Korea and representative Lee Jae-myung who are fueling the confusion in the Republic of Korea. He said it himself. He said that things that are meaningful to the world are done in danger. So what the people thought was that they would think of opportunities, not risks, but that opportunity is used to expand their political assets.

He thinks it's a way to reduce his judicial risk and bring down the current president for an early presidential election. That's why the so-called approval rating is also reversed. And the second thing is, you're talking about destroying evidence. If you look at it, what the judge said when Lee Jae-myung's warrant was rejected is the subject of public criticism as the representative of the public party. He said that the possibility of destroying evidence is low because it is the subject of criticism. Is the leader of the opposition a public object or the president a bigger one? And didn't you say that what the Democratic Party is saying is full of evidence? It's full of evidence, and all the main characters have been arrested. How do you kiss? Don't we have to meet and match?

So it's hard for me to agree on what they're saying. So why are you so desperate to arrest the president? I didn't understand that part. Take a look. Representative Lee Jae-myung is facing five trials on 12 charges in the 8th case. We are receiving it without physical detention. We don't talk about restraint or restraint. Because the judges talk about it. So, why is the only answer to the way we solve the current situation called restraint and why the Democratic Party goes so far? The president is now suspended from office. So you don't have to worry too much.

[Park Kyungmi]
The key suspects are in custody. The defense minister, the police chief, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency chief, and key commanders, counterintelligence commanders, intelligence commanders, special forces commanders, and defense commanders are still outside. There is still a possibility of kissing them. And if you look at the statements of the Secretary of Defense and the various commanders, it's very tightly woven like weft and weft, creating the truth. So they're each in custody, and they can't have been internally speaking.

But the fact that it's all correct means that it's likely true. There's that part. It's contradictory to what the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is saying right now. So is the truth, woven from the weft and the weft of the majority, really close to the final truth or is the sophistry that President Yoon Suk Yeol is putting out closer to the truth? I think the people will probably judge that. And as you know well, if you look at Kim Yong-hyun's indictment from the prosecution, it is no exaggeration to say that it is a Yoon Suk Yeol indictment. Isn't there twice as many Yoon Suk Yeol names as Kim Yong-hyun? That alone is so obvious evidence that it can be arrested.

[Anchor]
The actual examination of the arrest warrant is being conducted from 2 p.m. today. It's been going on for about 4 hours and 30 minutes now. At this time, we continue to shine a light in front of the Seoul Western District Court. Supporters of President Yoon occupy the road and confront the police. The police set up a car wall in front of the road and are in full control. About 4,000 police troops are deployed in front of the court to confront supporters. Protests have intensified as a large number of supporters have gathered now, and articles have been posted online to hurt the judge who previously dismissed the arrest suit. What do you think of this situation?

[Kim Gi-heung]
It should never be there. I can claim any situation, but I absolutely cannot agree in terms of it not leading to any physical conflict and violence. I understand how people in front of me feel. However, I think raising your voice and performing your skills are different. The police were seriously injured when the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions came to the residence and threw a radio to the police. You're not supposed to do that. If you think that you are there for the president and think about the rule of law and democracy of the Republic of Korea because there is a problem with the current judicial process, I would like you to think deeply about the aspect that your emotional actions can make a mistake in the overall image.

And another thing I want to say is that I would like to act consistently in the execution of the police's administrative power. Recently, there was an act of excessively lifting and throwing women when dissolving those who supported President Yoon Suk Yeol. There was also the act of stepping on it with your feet. Those things are unjustified. How the current police are perceived when they were in that aspect. Isn't a Democrat calling? Don't you say you call quickly and play a role? And don't you call the police and order everything? From that point of view, the people are all watching. I believe that the criticism of public power will continue if they act as they are in accordance with their guidelines just because something is concentrated on one side through a slightly tilted playground through martial law.

[Park Kyungmi]
I'm also very concerned that there are comments about hurting the judge who dismissed the arrest suit. The messages that Yoon Suk Yeol's president keeps putting out came out on January 1st. And even before his arrest, he sent another message, and he sent another message in prison. I can't help but wonder if these things are stirring up very few supporters and providing firewood to their fierce opposition. Looking at those messages, the people who supported me and the rest were anti-state forces from a long time ago, weren't they? It should be a president targeting the entire people and should send a message to the entire people, but it is very unfortunate that the messages that have been released this year have only appeal to active supporters. There was no apology when I read to the people that they used a fountain pen all night long before their arrest. And it was written that after being suspended from office, he thought he was the president now, but after reading the letter, the people said that he was the president. I knew about it in the evening.I realized that Ma was that kind of person.

[Anchor]
I think both of you have no disagreement that there should be no violence or physical conflict. There was a 20-minute recess. Today's warrant review is currently underway, and there was a 20-minute recess, and the review has resumed again from 5:40. When we connected as a reporter for the Western District Court earlier, it will not exceed an hour after that. We talked about this, but it's been almost an hour. Earlier, we showed you the entrance to the Western District Court.Attention is also focusing on when the warrant review will end. The fate of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit depends on the results of today's arrest warrant review. There are also prospects like this right now, so what do you think about this?

[Kim Gi-heung]
For me, the problem is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit itself comes out. Does it make sense that arresting and arresting the president of a country makes the fate of an investigative agency? I think this is the problem with that. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not investigating properly. You don't even have the authority to investigate. And who made the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? The Democratic Party made it very far-fetched. I made it through snatching. But what did you say because you couldn't do as you were told and you couldn't execute the arrest warrant? Call the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to the National Assembly and say, "I will impeach you, do it properly, and get shot." Then put in an armoured vehicle. Then prepare the coffin. It was the Democratic Party that said that.

That's why the reference point went up. That's why the president inevitably responded to the arrest. Let me tell you. If the president is not arrested, will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit be excited? Or is the organization developing? What we're talking about as such fate can be seen as an explicit word about how problematic the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was by birth and how controversial it was in enforcing the law this time.

[Anchor]
It's not just the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that's faced with destiny. President Yoon will also stand at a crossroads and have a big impact depending on the future results. Wouldn't the political community continue to be controversial? I think the people's power will be louder this time, but the hard-liners' voices will be louder. What do you think?

[Park Kyungmi]
Within the power of the people? Are you saying that if you say hard-liners, you'll be more vocal in opposing the impeachment of pro-Yoon and emergency martial law and defending the emergency martial law? Well, I was the president of Park Geun Hye, the symbol of conservatism. However, during the 2016 manipulation of state affairs, the Saenuri Party cut off former President Park Geun Hye early on. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol is a stone that has been introduced from the outside. However, I think it is ironic that lawmakers of the People's Power continue to protect and protect President Yoon Suk Yeol. The symbolic figure of conservatism was abandoned so early on at the level of the people, but the symbolism of conservatism is not high and the power of the people with a very short history. How will protect such a Yoon Suk Yeol president to the end be seen by the power of the people? I'd like to advise you to quit early.

[Kim Gi-heung]
I have to tell you this. Eight years ago, people felt it through impeachment. In a way, it was a frenzy. It was one-sided. The square was packed with citizens demanding impeachment. Not many people opposed impeachment. But this time, the people came forward. I asked a fundamental question about that one-sided rough side. Eight years ago, Democrats came to power through impeachment. What did the Democrats do then? We destroyed the remuneration through the liquidation of deep-rooted evils. Jinyoung is solidified. In the process, a person named Cho Kuk came out. In the eyes of people, they protested through fairness and common sense. Who did the investigation then? The president of Yoon Suk Yeol did it. Through that, the people summoned it.

The desire for fairness and common sense was realized through a person named Yoon Suk Yeol prosecutor and the prosecutor general of the Moon Jae In government. Would the Democratic Party of Korea have been like that in five years if it hadn't been good enough? You're quitting and throwing it away? That's not it. If I tell you, Lee Jae-myung's Democratic Party should seriously consider it. Lee Jae-myung, I'll tell you when I see it. The people chose to become president, and as soon as he became president, he talked about impeachment in five months. Twenty-nine impeachments, the president impeach him, and then the acting president. They are threatening to impeach the acting president and then the acting president. In this process, people see the truth. I am unfamiliar and disagree with the President's martial law.

However, we are taking a stern look at whether the problem is legally solved in this area. In that respect, I am still responding to those people who are now on the asphalt right, then on the far right. No one can define that to anyone. They all have the weight of their lives. In that respect, the Democratic Party should reflect. Of course, there is nothing good about the power of the people. Why does your approval rating change? As the public opinion poll is getting higher, they will file a public opinion poll complaint. That's not it. Don't cover your mouth. In my view, we have to do well, but the Democratic Party has to do well. [Anchor] You just talked about your approval rating, but what do you think about the trend of change in your approval rating?

[Park Kyungmi]
I think it is painful that the approval rating is consistently falling in the results of Gallup Korea, NBS surveys, and high-reliability pollsters conducted on a regular basis. And I would like to say that the Democratic Party, which does not reflect all of them, should reflect and reflect first, when there are people who are joining forces in the square in the freezing cold. As many people point out, it seems that conservatism and sampling are a clear phenomenon as conservatism is extremely concentrated. So I'm telling you that there's not a little optical illusion. In the

NBS survey, 37 more conservatives were sampled last week compared to liberals. But this week's survey showed 87 more conservatives than liberals. 87 out of 1,000 people is quite a large proportion, so it is not without the fact that conservative taxation has had some effect on the approval rating. However, as I said at first, we are very reflective and alert. However, during the emergency martial law crisis, it was imprinted on the people, but now it is a combination of impeachment and early presidential election, so I think it is a phenomenon in which each camp is gathering and returning to its pre-martial law approval rating.

[Anchor]
According to a Gallup poll released yesterday, the popular support rate is 39 percent, and the Democratic Party is 36 percent. So, despite the emergency martial law, the power of the people is ahead of the Democratic Party, and spokesman Park Kyung-mi said that the conservatives will be oversampled, but I wonder what spokesman Kim thinks. What do you think this background is?

[Kim Gi-heung]
Actually, we didn't do much good. However, it is true that the Democratic Party is not doing well. That's what I want to give you. After martial law, progressive supporters were oversampled. But that doesn't mean that we have low approval ratings because of the oversampling of the polls. Public sentiment is scary. That's why we're not arrogant or enjoying this situation just because we're a little higher. It's a very sad reality that the president has been impeached. That's why it's impeached if it's properly legally wrong and if it's the conclusion. Or it's not impeachable. From that perspective. There's something I want to tell you.

After martial law, Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, took the lead in state affairs. Then, did you really think about people's livelihoods? No. Impeachment, Joule Impeachment, then accusations. Special counsel. He only did what he called guillotine politics. I was just intimidated. That's what the people saw. Is this really going to be the president? Why, what is impeachment? Even though the president needs to be changed through the election, it changes through impeachment, so if you bring someone down, you have to elect someone. In such a situation, Lee Jae-myung's representative judicial risk had to be taken away, but despite the impeachment to go quickly, they pressed for it during the investigation. I was involved in the way. The people know that it wasn't fair.

So I'll make a suggestion. I think you're pretending to be thinking about people's livelihoods somewhere after saying that the bank presidents are gathering. If you want to think about people's livelihoods, isn't there something impeccable so far? Acting President Han Deok-soo, the head of various Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, and the chairman of the Korea Communications Commission. Take back impeachment against a number of people. Not happy with the impeachment of the president when it comes to normalizing the country? Of course, I was surprised to see Han Deok-soo smiling at the National Assembly after impeaching him. I'm surprised to see such a person saying that he thinks about people's livelihoods now.

[Park Kyungmi]
You said that the Democratic Party of Korea does not take care of the people's livelihood, but if you look at the recent series of moves, I would like to tell you that it is taking care of the people's livelihood, including the meeting with bank presidents and the supplementary budget. And predictability is what's important for the economy and for the country's credibility. And it's about eliminating uncertainty. What is the most important thing in that regard? It's a sequential solution to this current total turbulence in accordance with the constitutional procedure, and it has to be impeachment proceedings after all. So, you're the acting president and the acting president, but you're not the head of the economy, right? Stabilizing the economy by preventing the collapse of external credibility is removing uncertainty, increasing predictability, appointing even a constitutional judge to help the constitutional process work well, and appointing a permanent special prosecutor quickly as the independent counsel law was passed yesterday. Aren't you putting it off now? I would like to say that the appointment of a permanent special prosecutor is to ensure that the constitutional process goes smoothly.

[Anchor]
Regarding the independent counsel, it was passed yesterday by the Democratic Party of Korea. What is your position in terms of the power of the people? There is also a theory that the special prosecutor is useless.

[Kim Gi-heung]
It's actually useless. Because I don't know whether the president will be issued or dismissed this time, but isn't he going to be tried regardless of whether he is in custody or in custody? If so, I've arrested most people. But if the special prosecutor passes now, doesn't it take time to prepare? Then, in fact, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit talks to the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office and prosecutes it. So there's not much profit. And as you mentioned earlier, all major workers are arrested. Then you're not doing an independent counsel to catch the rest of you, are you?

And what makes no sense to me about the authenticity of the special prosecutor is what the Democratic Party used when criticizing the prosecution's investigation. Don't investigate anything. Isn't it expanding infinitely on the perceived part? Why can't you accept it when the people's power asks you not to investigate anything when you have constantly said let's block it in that area? In the end, he made a bill at his disposal and passed it at will without compromise because it was not coordinated at will. This is the tyranny of the numerical majority. In the end, I'll tell you very calmly right now.

Are you following the procedures of the police, prosecutors, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? No. Since the so-called Democratic Party of Korea tells you to stand in line, don't you think Lee Sang-sik calls constantly and acts as a messenger to the point of fire? Is the current investigative agency doing less or overdoing it? Then, let's do a special prosecutor and a permanent special prosecutor? Then how does the state affairs work? You're talking about people's livelihoods. If you're doing people's livelihoods, please pass the Special Act on Semiconductors rather than this. What's the other thing? Increasing predictability and reducing uncertainty are of paramount importance. Do you know what that premise is? It doesn't bother the current acting president. It's sophistry to put it on a tree and shake it from underneath to say that you'll live up to your people's livelihood. And I also request the Constitutional Court.

Do you know why it's possible to impeach the Democratic Party of Korea? Why is it possible? Chairman Woo Won-sik just decided that 151 seats were between 151 and 200 seats. I made my own decision. And then I let him through. So I think we can impeach the acting president next time. What did you say about the power of the people? We issued a provisional injunction to suspend the validity of 151 or 200 seats. Disposition is a quick one. But the Constitutional Court is not doing it. I would like to criticize the Constitutional Court for condoning this, even though there are enough situations in the Constitutional Court to put the brakes on the Democratic Party's failure to prevent the impeachment of the Juul, which grows uncertainty.

[Anchor]
I'll stop listening to you two.

[Park Kyung-mi] Special
I think I should tell you about the optometry. In this amendment to the special prosecutor, the Democratic Party made a really big concession. I made a really big concession. Following the removal of the opposition veto after accepting a third party's recommendation in the last special prosecutor's bill, the government has also largely accepted the demands of the people's power. The propaganda of foreign exchange and rebellion, which the people fiercely opposed, was excluded from the investigation, and eventually the investigation targets were drastically reduced from 11 to 5. And the investigation team's prosecutors have been reduced from 30 to 25, and the investigation period has been reduced from 130 days to 100 days, so there are internal complaints that they have made too many concessions. Acting President Choi Sang-mok, I told you about the standing special prosecutor for civil war earlier, but the matters raised at the time of the request for reconsideration were almost minimized.

[Anchor]
While you were talking, I got a breaking news saying I'm sorry. In front of the Seoul Western District Court, some of President Yoon's supporters stormed over the wall. And the news came that the police had taken the supporters who had crossed the wall in the Western District Court.

You're watching on the screen right now. As you can see, some of President Yoon's supporters have attempted to enter the court beyond the wall of the Western District Court. In addition, there is now news that the police have arrested supporters who have crossed this wall.

[Anchor]
I'll organize the detailed news again as soon as it comes in. Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, and Park Kyung-mi, spokesman for the Democratic Party of Korea, were present today. Thank you for talking today.