"Where's the judge?" "Riot" in the Western District Court...Police "Strict response".

■ Host: anchor Jang Won-seok and anchor Lee Eun-sol
■ Appearance: lawyer Lee Seung-hoon, lawyer Choi Jin-nyeong

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[Anchor]
There was a riot against the arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol's president.

[Anchor]
The court and the police, as well as acting president Choi Sang-mok, are responding strictly. Today, let's look at the related contents with lawyer Choi Jin-nyeong and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. Welcome, two of you.

[Anchor]
Two of you watched it, and the viewers watched it from the morning.Ma's arrest warrant was issued early this morning, so supporters went into the Seoul Western District Court and committed violent acts, what do you think of this?

[Choi Jin-nyeong]
It can be seen from this that it is much more suitable for this political case to do it at the Seoul Central District Court, which has a considerable distance from the main gate to the building, not at the Western District Court, which has a very narrow building and area. Basically, I would like to tell you that it is impossible for many people to enter the court, which is the last bastion of legal proceedings, and damage the property.

In this regard, Article 141 of the Criminal Code may be punished for damage to public property and, in some cases, for special housing intrusion. As you know, it's not just one person, but a lot of people have broken into the residence at night using the power of groups or multiple people, so in this case, I remember, it can be a serious crime that can be sentenced to up to five years in prison without a fine. It seems that not a few people are currently arrested by the police, but I think criminal proceedings against them will also be a problem in the future.

[Anchor]
Cha Eun-kyung, a senior judge at the Seoul Western District Court who issued an arrest warrant, is protecting herself. The investigation team has also requested personal protection, so what measures will be taken?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
If you want to protect yourself, the police will have to follow you. The cops can follow you around. Also, security around the house can be strengthened because it can lead to violence by chasing home. Also, if you're afraid to go home itself, you can choose a separate place to stay as if you're not going home. Also, you need to know where you are so that the police can follow you right away in any crisis, so you can provide a location tracking device. As a result, these devices are incidental devices and do not recognize the trial of the Constitutional Court, which does not recognize the police investigation and the court's trial, which seems to encourage violence in the power of the president and the people. Because it denies everything to this effect, it eventually denies the rule of law and constitutionalism.

These things happen because political leaders deny these things. In the end, it can be seen in the political world that the ruling party and the president are encouraging it, so we really have to ask for restraint. This is bad for the president himself, but in the end, it also causes serious division and division among the people, so I think we should actively ask for restraint.

[Anchor]
What do you think of the remarks and actions of the political community as causing such violent unrest?

[Choi Jin-nyeong]
In fact, the key in the current situation is the fairness of the investigation and trial. Isn't the basic hearing, in the case of people who actually have a lot of support for President Yoon right now, because there is a considerable backlash against the fact that the investigation and trial are not fair? In fact, in the case of Lee Jae-myung, former lawmaker Cho Kuk, and former lawmaker Yoon Mi-hyang, until the end of the investigation and trial related to him, former lawmaker Yoon Mi-hyang was convicted only after his four-year term was over. Former lawmaker Cho Kuk was not arrested even though he was sentenced to prison in the second trial, and even in the case of representative Lee Jae-myung, the National Assembly's motion for arrest was agreed around September 2023, and the warrant was rejected because he was the leader of the opposition party despite the court's clarification on the crime, but even if the president is impeached and his duties are suspended now, there are many criticisms and complaints about whether there is a need for arrest of a country's president and whether he should be arrested despite questions about such due process despite having jurisdiction or investigative rights.

In such a situation, it seems that many excited people did this because it was issued for an arrest warrant filed by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which is now being criticized for not having the right to investigate. However, even if such a background is acknowledged, it is difficult to justify in some ways the act of breaking through the door and damaging the objects outside by expressing one's intention outside and demonstrating outside. As a legal professional, I think I have no choice but to draw a clear line.

[Anchor]
Speaking of internal vandalism. Isn't it a situation where not only the windows and fixtures inside, but also the TV and ATMs are damaged? I wonder if compensation is also made for this part other than punishment.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Of course, if the person's behavior becomes specific, he or she has to compensate for the result. That's a given. The problem is that the public power has collapsed. It means that the constitution and the rule of law have collapsed. Not only the President but also the acting President Choi Sang-mok should take serious responsibility for that. Even when the arrest warrant was executed against the president, he only emphasized safety and order. So it's as if they've shown people who've gone to arrest them that's making them hesitate to arrest them.

[Anchor]
Wait a minute. I'm sorry. I think CEO Lee Jae-myung will announce his position. I'll try to connect to the site first. Earlier, the Democratic Party said that after the arrest of President Yoon Suk Yeol, supporters should show the severity of the law to those who want to defend the rebellion mob for storming into the court and making a disturbance. Let's hear Lee Jae-myung's remarks.

[Lee Jae Myung / Minjoo Party leader]
After the closed meeting of the Supreme Council, I would like to say a few things about the results discussed.

The West District Court rampage early this morning is an unacceptable act of destroying the justice system.

There are three major things the state should do, and the first is security security that protects the entire national community.

The second most important thing is to maintain reasonable order within this national community.

The third is to create a world where community members live well together.

But this early morning's rampage is an act of destroying the basic order of a democratic republic that destroys the judicial system that maintains the order of the national community.

I would like to say that this is an unacceptable act for any reason.

But, my fellow citizens. I think this confusion we experience is a pain in the neck for a fresh start.

We will surely overcome this current confusion with the power of our great people, and as a result, we will be able to move forward to a new world of hope. Our people have always overcome the crisis.

The power that overcame all the difficulties came from our people.

As we have done so far, I believe that with the power of our people, we will be able to clear the darkness that we have lost for a while and move toward a new hope and a better world.

It's unfortunate, but I believe that even this pain will be used as a driving force for new growth.

[Anchor]
You heard CEO Lee Jae-myung's position. It is an unacceptable act of destroying the judicial system for the violence that took place in the Western District Court today. He said that it is an act of destroying the judicial system that maintains community order.

[Anchor]
In addition, he said that it is a total fraud against the rule of law and a serious crime in criminal terms, adding that everything should be resolved within the judicial process set by the Constitution.

[Anchor]
The content was very heavy, but the expression and voice were like that. How did you like it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
It's the destruction of the judiciary. And the destruction of the democratic republic. However, as if this destruction is not destruction, it can be considered that the people's power and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol are now propaganda. This propaganda makes it sound like a legitimate, very constitutional thing to his supporters right now. That's why the rule of law is collapsing and they're breaking into the Western District Court, breaking bricks, breaking windows and carrying iron pipes. I've never heard of a court break-in. It's a serious situation right now, and it's like Trump supporters entering the U.S. Capitol and shooting. I can even imagine that it is possible in Korea that the rule of law has collapsed to this extent.

Also, I don't think many people know the president's sins, but far-right supporters don't. The emergency martial law of the president is a civil war that is almost heavier than murder. The only crimes that the president can be prosecuted for are rebellion and foreign exchange. Then, he committed a more serious crime than murder, but since representative Lee Jae-myung was without detention, representative Cho Kuk was without detention, so comparing these incomparable things is only trying to have his own political interests with very political instigation, and I think there is no thought about the rule of law.

[Anchor]
How did you hear it, lawyer Choi?

[Choi Jin-nyeong] I think he named the current state of
as a disturbance in the Western District Court. Some media outlets say it's a riot.Ma is talking about adjusting the level in the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung. In addition, I say that it is an unacceptable act by destroying the judicial system for the current situation, and that I said what I had to say as the leader of the opposition party to talk about the response within the legal framework. In addition, I don't know if you're trying to draw a line on trying to expand and interpret this part too politically about the current situation, but I think you've expressed that the current situation is a struggle for a new start.

In a way, Chairman Lee Jae-myung has been suspected of trying to avoid the risk of his own judiciary by deciding Yoon Suk Yeol's president as a civil war with the so-called strong-arm drive and asking the Constitutional Court to do it as soon as possible, and in the case of remarks made after today's Supreme Council meeting, he seems to be politically refined and overly controlled as an opposition leader. Under the current situation, I think it's enough to do as an opposition party, and in that regard, at least I don't agree with Lee Jae-myung's stance politically.Ma evaluates that today's words were reasonable in their own way to control the level of what they can say as a national leader.