[Politics ON] Is the president continuing his "politics in prison"?Ruling and opposition parties denounce 'Western District Court disturbance'

■ Host: Anchor Lee Ha-rin, Anchor Jeong Jin-hyung
■ Starring: Kim Hyung-joon, Chair Professor of Bae Jae-dae, Director of Insight K Research Center Bae Jong-chan

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[Anchor]
The ruling and opposition parties have mixed voices over the arrest of the first sitting president in constitutional history.

The ruling and opposition parties are also showing subtle differences over the "responsibility" of the Western District Court rampage.

a political onlooker at the outside and the inside of politics Today, we will analyze it with Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, head of Insight K Research Institute.

Welcome, two of you.

The people's power, which faced the first-ever "arrest of the current president," is closely watching the situation but protesting against the reason for the arrest, asking if the people will "accept" the reason for the arrest.

The Democratic Party is in a completely different position. Let's start talking after listening to the recording.

[Kwon Young-se / Chairman of the People's Power Emergency Committee: The suspect may destroy evidence. Only 15 characters are the reason for issuing an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol issued by the Seoul Western District Court. When making an unprecedented decision in the constitutional history of the arrest of an incumbent president, the reason for the arrest should have been fully explained so that all the people could understand it. However, even the fear of destroying evidence presented for a single reason does not make sense. How on earth does a president who was suspended from office due to impeachment and was effectively closed in his official residence destroy evidence? ]

[Park Beom-gye / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): (Just once in five hours, Judge Cha Eun-kyung asked President Yoon a question directly. What is an emergency legislative body? That's what I asked. I can only think of English, but it's 'Oh, you're crazy'. Did you really think it was possible to be an emergency legislative body? So this is a very important point. I wasn't talking about cutting off all the subsidies of the National Assembly and providing reserve funds for this emergency legislative body. In one aspect, the judge asked, "Did this person really not have the will to practice martial law?" ]

[Anchor]
In the end, the ruling party's response seems to be like this. While arresting the incumbent president, the reason for arrest was only one line, 15 characters. I'm pointing out that there's a fear of destroying evidence.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Usually, when trying to arrest a sitting president like this, there are some things to consider. I think the biggest part is completeness. Usually, when you request a warrant, it is necessary to clarify whether the criminal charge is a vindication, or for what reason and evidence related to escape or destruction of evidence. If you arrest ordinary criminals after 15 lines like now, that's how you do it when you hit arrest warrants later. Furthermore, there is a significance of the issue now. It's not just a request for an arrest warrant, but you're the incumbent president. If you try to arrest the incumbent president, even if it's not very meticulous in its own way. But I was originally puzzled by the structure itself.

Because Judge Cha Eun-kyung is a judge on duty, but doesn't it say that the overall thing within that short period of time, and furthermore, the president himself went and explained it for about 40 minutes? Despite such things, a short message came out, so when Lee Jae-myung's arrest warrant was dismissed, he asked why he dismissed it in detail with about 600 characters. In that sense, the issue of equity, and what I said at the time, was that I was without detention while talking about the right to defend. Then, of course, President Yoon Suk Yeol also talks about this defense right and the various situations we talk about, especially when looking at the time, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon. Even though he said that the perjury teacher seems to be a calling, he said that these should be considered because he is now the head of the opposition party. President Yoon Suk Yeol is the incumbent president of the Republic of Korea, beyond the opposition leader, and I think that's why the issue of equity has to be raised.

[Anchor]
There were only 15 reasons for the arrest of the incumbent president, but when the Democratic Party's representative Lee Jae-myung's arrest warrant was dismissed, the reason was 600, and the judge asked only one question to President Yoon in the Yoon Suk Yeol presidential warrant review held two days ago. It is said that they asked about a note related to the emergency legislative body. What is the emergency legislative body specifically? He said he only asked this question. What does it mean?

[Bae Jong Chan]
I think I thought it was important. So how specific the emergency legislative body was about the situation after the emergency martial law by President Yoon Suk Yeol, this can be quite key. Because the president is now suspected of rebellion, was the president planning it very specifically, as Park Beom-gye of the Democratic Party said earlier, or could the meaning of the warning have been literally stronger? However, the key point here is that President Yoon Suk Yeol's answer, regardless of whether it is true or not, is that the defensive mechanism worked.

Because I understand that President Yoon Suk Yeol did not give a definite answer. So I have no idea. I can't remember whether former Minister Kim Yong-hyun wrote it or whether he wrote it himself. I think the president's intention is clear. I will take legal action against this anyway. So I'm not going to talk about Katabuta, this seems clear. However, what we need to talk a little more about earlier is the result of issuing an arrest warrant. whether rejected or cited However, since the supporters are extremely divided now, it is bound to be compared. Then I'll just briefly tell you two things. I think one needs to be quite enough when it's this sensitive. I'm a data analysis public opinion expert. Because being so emotionally charged requires more explanation than we think.

First, more in terms of content, that we need more explanation than the usual case. Second, time is quite important. Even if the rejection and citation are decided, if it is very sensitive and at least 50,000 to 60,000 people are gathered outside, the night time can be very stimulating. If so, what I'm sorry about is that I couldn't have announced this at 7 a.m. or 8 a.m. when the dawn calms down to some extent. We're in a very emergency situation right now. Then I think a very unusual decision should follow. I decided on this part and that part. Didn't I tell you? Eight years ago, the goal was 500 meters in the impeachment phase, but now the goal of emotion is 50,000 meters. I think we need to be very careful.

[Anchor]
I gave my personal opinion that why the warrant was issued at dawn could have enraged the supporters.
We will briefly explain why this emergency legislative body came out. Choi Sang-mok, then deputy prime minister for economy, attended the National Assembly on the 13th of last month and said that President Yoon gave him a folded paper to refer to during martial law, and we will listen to the recording at that time.

[Choi Sang-mok / Then Minister of Strategy and Finance and Deputy Prime Minister for Economy (last month 13th): He gave me a folded paper for reference. At the time, I didn't know what it was about and I put it in my pocket because I didn't know what it was about. The president looked at me as he went in, and he told me to refer to this, and someone next to him said, I don't know. But someone next to me gave me a piece of data. ]

[Anchor]
In the end, a note given by the president to Acting President Choi Sang-mok at the time of martial law said, "Make a budget for the emergency legislative body."

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
So, you can get a little glimpse of what you have in mind in relation to emergency martial law. So, for example, if all political activities were stopped, I think there is a possibility that they thought about how to deal with this, but that's a lack of understanding of the law. Because if you look at the law after the 6th Republic, no matter how emergency martial law it is, it cannot physically and forcibly prevent the function of the National Assembly. Nevertheless, the emergency legislative body is inevitably very weak in defense in two ways. Then, if you say that the acting president Choi Sang-mok did something like an emergency legislative body, is this martial law for warning and bluffing after all? It's not right to say that it's to give a warning to the National Assembly.

And furthermore, for example, testimonies continue to appear that they gave such orders to block the National Assembly, so in the end, there is a part that says that emergency martial law is clearly the president's authority, but it is wrong because martial law was declared through unconstitutional and illegal procedures. So, it's like an emergency legislative body right now, because they think of the National Security Committee during the Chun Doo-hwan era, and they dissolved the parliament at that time. And we don't have the right to dissolve the National Assembly of the Constitution yet, do we? I think I did it with those things in mind.

[Bae Jong Chan]
In short, this is very important. Because, as a result, isn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit investigating the president of Yoon Suk Yeol on charges of rebellion and the head of the rebellion? An arrest warrant was issued. It could then be very important how specific this emergency legislative body was and whether it was clear that it was willing to put it into practice. So it seems clear that this is a part that needs to be accurately revealed in the future.

[Anchor]
To borrow the expression of Park Beom-gye of the Democratic Party of Korea as to why Judge Cha Eun-kyung asked President Yoon about the emergency legislative body, "Are you crazy?" That's how I expressed it. This is what I meant, but what do you think about this part?

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's the interpretation of Rep. Park Beom-gye. Judge Cha Eun-kyung asked about the warrant's validity, but the reason this was because of the destruction of evidence. If so, it can be very important. Because there may be more information about the emergency legislative body, and if you gave it to Acting President Choi Sang-mok in the form of a note, who wrote it and whether there are other details about it can be interpreted as a big part of the closeness or involvement in the alleged rebellion. In that sense, a question, how much emergency martial law, was an important question to confirm whether President Yoon Suk Yeol was actually willing to deploy it in detail.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
The emergency legislative body said it asked one thing that didn't make sense of it. If you thought that was so important, did you talk about it when you issued the arrest warrant? They are asking about the destruction of evidence and what is the relationship with the emergency legislative body now. So you should have explained that. Given that it is an emergency legislative body, it clearly controls the National Assembly and has its own ideas, so shouldn't you issue an arrest warrant or explain it like this because you felt it was clear that the institution elected as a constitutional institution corresponding to the crime of rebellion was forced to paralyze its power? But what kind of crazy is that? Don't agitate with that, but why do people talk about it in 15 characters when arresting an incumbent president? Shouldn't all be related? So I think it has no choice but to be pointed out that this is very insufficient and incomplete.

[Anchor]
You pointed out that the reason for issuing a warrant was quite insufficient. On the other hand, President Yoon also asked him to express his intention in a peaceful way through his position in prison. In the end, will this message ease the anger of the supporters?

[Bae Jong Chan]
This is something that should not be softened or done, whether or not. What I said earlier was that I was talking about time in order not to provoke the angry supporters, so that the court could take that into account, which should never happen. Because they stormed and damaged objects by force. This shakes the foundations of democracy and never helps the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. Even in the power of the people, isn't it clear that you can understand it emotionally, but you shouldn't? Once again, this is something that must never be acted upon, and President Yoon Suk Yeol will certainly know that.

The president also clearly knows that the actions of these supporters will never help to look at the public opinion of the middle class or the public opinion of the middle class. Also, if you get injured or punished for doing this, wouldn't it be a great damage to you as an individual? It's also a huge damage both nationally and publicly. Isn't the court administration talking about 600 to 700 million won in expenses related to property damage this time? That's something that shouldn't happen regardless of how much it is.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, the "shock" of the riot by supporters of the Western District Court is growing. In today's Judiciary Committee questioning, the ruling and opposition parties agreed that there should not be a disturbance like this, but there were different opinions in each debate. Let's listen to the voices of the ruling and opposition parties from the Judiciary Committee.

[Seo Young-kyo / Minjoo Party Member: These are riots, riots. Is it right? ]

[Bae Hyungwon / Deputy Director of Court Administration: Yes, that's right. ]

[Seo Young-kyo / Democratic Party member: It's a riot and there's someone who instigated it. Yoon Sang-hyun, the one who instigated this. 'The young men were arrested after they went over the wall in court. You'll be given a disciplinary action soon. ' What would happen to everyone who heard this. Yoon Sang-hyun, the power of the people, is doing it, and he went to the United States. Lee Yun Sang-hyun, you have to catch and punish him. ]

[Kwak Kyu-taek / People's Power: The location of the Western District Court is actually very vulnerable to these unrest and protests. Isn't it right on the side of the boulevard? So there is no narrow road to the court, but if you protest on the main street in front of it, the protest situation can affect the court directly. There is a great regret that we should have prepared sufficiently in advance considering the risk. ]

[Anchor]
It is a common opinion between the ruling and opposition parties that no violence can be justified, but the ruling party believes that the court should have prepared thoroughly.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
So it's an ex post explanation. For example, in any case, we should say that it is the denial of the rule of law that we are talking about now, and even if it is unfair and angry, we should solve the problem according to the procedures set by the Constitution and the law. Isn't that the most fundamental of democracy? Beyond that, I feel embarrassed when I see a political battle while talking about a reason. The opposition party is talking as if they instigated it from behind and dragged it. The ruling party is talking about why the National Police Agency did not defend itself sufficiently. In the end, only workshops are going back and forth to each other, but we have to look very calmly at what was wrong with the process until this situation came. Don't just look at what happened. We talk about the rule of law so much, but even now, the opposition party talks a lot about democracy and the rule of law, but then is the opposition party keeping the rule of law within the National Assembly?

So, what's in their favor is the rule of law, and what's in their disadvantage is out. What's the biggest point of all this that selective rule of law brings? If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which does not have the authority to investigate the rebellion, issued arrest warrants, and issued warrants, it is not a matter of why the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which does not have authority, has not said anything about the investigation, but it is not a matter of taking it because they instigated a riot. So, for example, the law should be applied universally, but if you take this selective rule of law, furthermore, the problem is that the law has a grand principle. If you have the presumption of innocence and the principle of defense, everyone should apply it the same way.

In the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung, he talks about the principle of presumption of innocence himself and talks about the right to defend himself. But that's not possible because it's a crime of rebellion? How did you get that way? All citizens are equal before the law. As we've been through this situation, the rule of law of the Republic of Korea is interpreting it in their own favor. The airlift can do it. You can do it because it's job-related. There is no guarantee that there will be a second or third riot in the future because there is a problem with the systematic and principled movement, not this way of interpretation. This is something that should never happen and nothing can be justified.

[Anchor]
According to the dispute over the Judiciary Committee, the Democratic Party of Korea is also responsible for the power of the people in the court riot. He's attacking like this. In terms of the power of the people, the Democratic Party also provided a clue. What do you think about this spread to the political battle?

[Bae Jong Chan]
The anchor pointed out a very important part. The first reason is that there should never be violence. In this regard, the court, the police, the prosecution, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit must take appropriate strict measures. But what I want to say clearly is that we analyze it through the data at our time, but trust in our politics has fallen to the bottom. Even now, they're saying that it's each other's fault because this situation broke out. After all, who do the supporters support? It's either a politician or a political party. That's why politicians are inciting it. Please don't give me political impetus. Let's leave it to the law at times like this. Rather, neither the power of the people nor the Democratic Party of Korea will stimulate them. Let's watch the investigation strictly. And let's be more active in responding to the investigation, this is the attitude we should take most, let's fight each other. The power of the people is the fault of the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party is the power of the people. This is not the time. At times like this, I told you earlier. Eight years ago, if the goal between our camps was 500m, it is of course a personal opinion for the Korean people to judge now. I think it's 50,000 meters. You can't go like this. On the contrary, the political community should be more gentle and use the expression itself. It's too extreme. I really want to say that the political community should start at midnight.

[Anchor]
This part should not be taken into account by the ruling and opposition parties. You pointed out that we should only look at the nature of the violence.

[Bae Jong Chan]
Also, the terminology expression must be purified. It's too stimulating.

[Anchor]
Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, pointed out the issue of equity, saying that the police are a gentle sheep in front of the KCTU. How did you see this part?

[Bae Jong Chan]
So I'm comparing it again. Please don't compare me. Whenever we talk about something, we compare who in the Democratic Party of Korea and the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions. Then there's no end to it right now. Please, let's not do things that don't work for each other. I have to talk about this first. Not only the Korean people but also foreign investors are watching this now. I'm looking at the competitiveness of our politics, not the competitiveness of our economy or our companies. That the competitiveness of our political circles is eating away our country's competitiveness, something we should never miss.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, the so-called "Hunbang" remarks by Representative Yoon Sang-hyun caused such controversy over whether they encouraged a disturbance. Following the Democratic Party's response, we will continue to hear Yoon's response.

[Han Min-soo / Spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea] Didn't the investigation authorities and the prosecution say it was a riot? Nevertheless, I deplore the fact that the power of the people still cannot use the term riot. Since all investigative authorities, as well as the Supreme Court, are willing to investigate thoroughly, they believe that they will also thoroughly investigate the masterminds, teachers, and those behind the riot. Let me tell you that the party is considering submitting a resolution today calling for the expulsion of Representative Yoon Sang-hyun. ]

[Yoon Sang-hyun / People's Power: I went to the scene. I talked about 17 men, 14 women, and 3 police officials, and I told them that they would be released after investigating basic facts. That's long before the riots. The arrest warrant fell at about 3 a.m., which was 9 p.m. the night before. ]

[Anchor]
A day before the president's arrest, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun will be disciplined to supporters of the president who talked to him on the eve of his arrest, and the Democratic Party's position is that this part stimulated the mob, and Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks are completely different from the Western District Court incident, right?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Wouldn't the investigation reveal how accurate the part you actually said is? If it's what lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun said before, can it be an instigation? Also, it's not like that, but you shouldn't put it down calmly and definitively. The opposition party is already saying that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun instigated it, but after investigating it like that, it became clear that it was instigation. Then, you can propose an expulsion plan for the lawmaker at that time. It can be seen that there is a part that stimulates the other party again and intensifies the conflict by unconditionally issuing an expulsion resolution without any facts being confirmed.

If that's the case, I think there are a lot of people who will be expelled from the Democratic Party. How many deviant acts did you show during the legislative process of the National Assembly? However, when a fact is revealed through an investigation or a clear basis for a situation in its own way, it should take responsibility correspondingly. However, without knowing at all, the spokesman came out first and instigated it, so he decides to expel him. In a way, I think there might be a part of trying to drag this out too politically.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea says it will submit an expulsion proposal for lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun today, but what do you think of the Democratic Party's story?

[Bae Jong Chan]
I think there's something like this. Is it only because of Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks in front of the Seoul Western District Court? Before that, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun seems to have captured all of the actions seen at the Hannam-dong official residence rally, the actions he showed at the public rally, and the way he led his supporters. Because it's usually hard to talk about just once, and if you look at the post-war relationship accurately just now, it's a part that needs to be reviewed whether it's possible to actually expel lawmakers with this. And it's actually quite difficult to remove a member, because it has to be voted on. Then, third, the Democratic Party seems to have a warning meaning about what Representative Yoon Sang-hyun has shown so far. So, as a result of this, I'm telling you again because the Democratic Party is also checking the actions that Representative Yoon has been doing.There will be no end to the limit if Ma starts to misjudge this either way. So, it seems that there is something in Congressman Yoon Sang-hyun that he wants the Democratic Party to refrain. Then the Democratic Party needs to reflect on that and approach each other in practice. So, can we really prevent the people from being more extreme at this time rather than approaching to go to a dead end or a dead end? It seems like a time when it is necessary to keep this part in mind more.

[Anchor]
They analyzed that the submission of the expulsion plan was a warning measure by the Democratic Party, and in the midst of this, former Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won expressed on social media that he is a crusader of asphalt, but it has now been deleted. However, Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won was disciplined for going to Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon's assembly in the past. But why did they use this expression? I'm curious about this part.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
You're making your own image. For example, it means that more than ever, they want to be recognized by the right wing of the free. The parts that broke into our court are now unfolding, can we use the word temple? Anyone can see that it doesn't fit, right? In that sense, of course, since you are a member of the Supreme Council outside the circle, you are always the same in our politics, whether you are 80 or not. I think Kim Jae-won's best is not a happening from that side because he often tries to raise his interest through provocative remarks.

[Bae Jong Chan]
In short, Kim Jae-won may have made such remarks to his supporters when he thought about the power of the people. But at a time like this, I'm a data analysis person, so the first thing I want to say is, generally, it's better not to compare or compare. in such a sensitive time Second, individual MPs are advised to reduce the amount of speech. Then what should I do? In this case, I would also like to say from an analysis perspective that it is necessary for the spokesperson to provide sufficient explanations on related issues with purified content.

[Anchor]
Wait a minute. We have a breaking news. I've shown you what's in front of the Seoul Detention Center at this time on the screen. The head of the correctional headquarters said that the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. President Yoon is now refusing to investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. There is also a possibility of forced recruitment. However, it is reported that the head of the correctional headquarters has not been reported whether the president is forced to seek compulsory employment and is reviewing between the visit investigation and the compulsory recruitment. So, there is no decision on the forced inches yet, but first of all, the news report that the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center, so I'm delivering it first. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously stated that compulsory recruitment is likely and that it is strongly considering compulsory recruitment. Currently, the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. President Yoon has never responded to the investigation since he was investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit on the first day of his arrest. President Yoon is breaking the news that the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center at a time when he has never been investigated since his arrest.

I'll give it to you again. The investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. The president's compulsory recruitment has not yet been reported. I'm showing you what's in front of the Seoul Detention Center at this time. A black car is going inside right now. It has not yet been confirmed whether the car is an investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has previously stated that it is strongly considering the forced recruitment of President Yoon. We will let you know when additional news reports come in about this.

In the midst of this, we will analyze the Realmeter Poll. This is the result of a survey conducted by

Real liter on the 16th and 17th before the review of President Yoon's arrest warrant. Please show us. 48.6% of the respondents said they wanted the ruling party to extend its power, up 7.4% from last week. The public opinion of 'regime change' fell 6.7%p to 46.2%. However, as I said, the poll was conducted before President Yoon Suk Yeol was arrested on the 19th and the disturbance at the Seoul Western District Court did not reflect public opinion in this regard. Let's see the support of the party. The party's support survey showed that the power of the people rose by 5.7% from last week to 46.5% and the Democratic Party fell by 3.2% from last week to 39%. The difference between the two parties is 7.5%, which is outside the margin of error. Public sentiment is still fluctuating due to President Yoon's arrest and court intrusion.

I'll point it out a little more with the two of you. It's been quite a long time since the public opinion of regime change and the public opinion of regime maintenance have been reversed like this.

[Bae Jong Chan]
It can be seen as a result that is difficult to predict. Depending on the political orientation, the reference point for interpretation can be different.Ma said, "Despite the public's impact on President Yoon Suk Yeol's emergency martial law and negative criticism from the public, the party's approval rating is higher than that of the public. It's a higher situation. Also, it's more extended than regime change. This can also be seen as unusual from the perspective of analyzing public opinion polls on a daily basis. Why is that?

First, we are talking about the gathering of conservative supporters, but we are also gathering in the polls. That's why conservatives are gathering in the polls. The second was that the response rate was unusually high, even though it was an automatic response survey. What is the story? The supporters are extremely stimulated to the extent that they are now competing in the polls. I haven't seen anything either.

[Anchor]
Then do you think it's oversampled?

[Bae Jong Chan]
It's oversampling. The task sampling shows intentionality. This is not what the research agency intended. The respondents are very actively rallying. So I'm analyzing these parts at any time, and we have to engrave the meaning of them, but it's very stimulating right now. I've been analyzing the data for more than 30 years now, but I've never seen it, as you know more, Professor Kim Hyung-joon has never seen it. I heard that the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went to the detention center, but the investigation will have to be conducted. However, I would like to say that it is a point where we have to think about what we can do while keeping the laws and principles while the supporters are not extremely stimulated.

[Anchor]
From the perspective of the people's power, a series of pleasant polls are coming out, but the current disturbance at the Western District Court is not reflected. Then, what do you think next week's survey will be like?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
For example, polls look at trends, not figures. That's coming out now, but the party's approval rating is about . .46%, but for example, the Democratic Party continues to fall and the people's power is rising now. In my view, this is not just a number of conservatives rallying. Because in the case of Realmeter, it is an ARS investigation, but last week, for the first time, there was a survey in which the power of the people was ahead, and the same goes for NBS. Both of them are phone research. So, in a big way, after emergency martial law was declared on December 3, the power of the people in Gallup Korea started from the third week of December, and the Democratic Party is falling steeply.

Under these circumstances, this trend will change because of the court's rampage that we're talking about now? I don't think so. Because already, there have been quite a lot of changes from the people, especially the middle class and the Seoul class, about the real tyranny that the Democratic Party has shown since martial law. Seoul is an area where the Democratic Party won a landslide victory in the last general election, and according to the results of the survey, there are some areas where the Democratic Party is being pushed out of the Seoul area, and it is being pushed out by the middle class and by the independent class. What this means is that the Democratic Party has begun to question whether it is qualified as an authoritative party.

[Anchor]
I see.

We will deliver the results of the poll that reflects the president's arrest and violence in the Western District Court as soon as they come in.

So far, I've looked at it with Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor at Baejae University, and Bae Jong-chan, head of InSight K Research Institute. Thank you.