[News UP] The forced recruitment of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit failed...President Yoon appears at the Constitutional Court today.

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Starring: Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, Park Sung-min, former member of the Supreme Council of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's continue to point out what's relevant. Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea, are here. Welcome. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit tried to force President Yoon into refusing to comply with the investigation, but it failed in six hours. You said you were interviewing lawyers to prepare for the impeachment hearings, right?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I'm sure you know the airlift as well. Everyone knows better than anyone that the president will not respond to forced recruitment, but why he continues to investigate this unreasonable, in a way, is said to have gone a little too far in the legal community. In fact, the president defines the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as illegal. That's why you said you wouldn't respond, right? So the reason for arresting is in a way to hear a statement, to investigate, but it's not effective in the end because he said he wouldn't. Nevertheless, what it is to do is to put on the president's image that he is not responding to the investigation, and there is even a rumor that it is a kind of grudging crime and retaliatory investigation.

Another thing I really don't understand about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is that I banned interviews with people other than lawyers. I didn't let my family meet. Why can't I see my family? Do you destroy evidence through your family? It's not like that, is it? So in this respect, I think why the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is pressuring the president so much, especially not allowing him to meet his family, is a so-called strategy to destroy the president mentally. So if they have legitimate investigative power, wouldn't the president not respond to this?

And most of all, what I was concerned about is that the president is investigated, but he has to go to the Constitutional Court now. Obviously, whether you come out or not today, you need time to talk about this with your lawyer. By the way, if you go there and ask us to be investigated by force, how do you prepare for the presidential constitutional trial? Nevertheless, even though he said he would go out today, he said he would call him again this morning, so I believe that this is actually a strategy to neutralize the president's defense rights in a way.

[Anchor]
As you said, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is now considering a plan to forcibly recruit the president even this morning, but since the president said he will attend the Constitutional Court at 2 p.m. this afternoon, many analysts say that it is impossible to investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the morning.

[Park Sungmin]
However, from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the arrest warrant has been executed for the president who has not responded to the request for attendance without justifiable reasons, and various statements remain, so the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will judge that there is no reason for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to step back to suit the president's taste and taste. However, I think it is time to review the visit investigation because there is a realistic limit to the fact that the forced inches have been tried, but even if I try to conduct a visit investigation, the problem is that President Yoon Suk Yeol himself believes that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate, so I think this in itself is trying to completely shake the legal system. I think this argument that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no investigative power is actually over from the point when the arrest warrant was already issued.

However, despite being dismissed, the government is still shaking the foundation of the rule of law in Korea by maintaining the sophistry that the investigation into the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is illegal. In that respect, I would like to say that the president's behavior deserves very criticism. There must be a lot of regrets about the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Because even after the arrest, the investigation was not carried out properly, and there is not much time left to transfer to the prosecution, so there is also a realistic concern from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.I'm still thinking that I'll try as much as I can.

[Anchor]
As the spokesman pointed out earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has not been able to investigate properly, and I think it will continue to be so. This was actually expected. Since it was expected that the president would not actively respond to the investigation, it could be pointed out again that this was a show-off arrest and arrest.

[Park Sungmin]
But I want to tell you that. This situation happened because the president is refusing it. So if the president, who is a suspect, says, "I will not be investigated," then it would be of no use to arrest him. Then I shouldn't arrest him, it's not a rule of law to go like this. Because the president is now a suspect in a very serious criminal charge of insurrection, and in that situation, he did not respond without justifiable reasons despite repeated requests for appearance before executing the arrest warrant. This was a situation where you had to apply for an arrest warrant if you were a regular suspect. But in this situation, it's clear that the president will resist strongly, and he will hide behind the security office and stage a sit-in, so let's not ask for an arrest warrant considering various situations, which makes no sense. This can't happen in a rule of law.

And I thought that there should not be a behavior to look at the president who violated the constitutional order in that way. So, before talking about whether the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is useless, I should tell you to look at the president's actions first. So the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is in the process of executing an arrest warrant and attempting an investigation, and this whole process is in the process of restoring the country to normal. That's why I'd like to say that before considering this effectiveness, we need to consider the necessity of this first.

[Anchor]
The case will be transferred to the prosecution no later than the 28th, so will the prosecution actively be investigated by the prosecution, where the president is from? I'm curious about this, too.

[Kim Gi-heung]
First of all, on that part that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is illegal, incumbent judges recently posted on the court's internal network. There was a controversy over real names. Not a few people said there was a problem with the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. And when I asked the vice justice minister yesterday at the National Assembly, can't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit actually investigate the crime of rebellion? But it's on the line for abuse of authority. Then, if this part is accepted in the future, you can do everything if you bet on any investigation. So, the fact that criminal prosecution against the president is impossible will eventually be controversial, but I think we have no choice but to point out that the legal system is collapsing.

And how has the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit been done so far? In the case of the 55th Guard Corps' official letter, they unilaterally attached a note and made it bring the seal, so they took it themselves. In that process, there were problems with a series of processes. Then, as you said, in the process of normalizing a problem, the law should be applied one by one and come up one by one, but the people are now taking issue because they are not. And in my view, the president stipulated that there was a problem with the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. But isn't the prosecution actually on the verge of prosecution? From that point of view, I don't know what strategy the president will take from the standpoint of defense, but I don't think it's because I think I can explain my position a little more than the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and I think it's better to compare the prosecution and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit because the current prosecution is my home.

[Park Sungmin]
But I think the illegal controversy over the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is just a frame created by the president. So kind of me, the president caught up in the fraudulent election conspiracy theory is socially reproducing another conspiracy theory. So I think it is making a claim that is very harmful to society, but it is true that there was a controversy over whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit had the right to investigate or not. And the prosecution was no exception for that part. In the case of former Minister Kim Yong-hyun, didn't they criticize the prosecution's investigation, saying that they were not qualified to investigate me? However, because the prosecution and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit were recognized by the court for some comprehensive investigation rights, an arrest warrant was issued and an arrest warrant was issued. So, legal interpretation of this issue should be the court as a result, not the one for President Yoon Suk Yeol, the suspect of rebellion.

I think it is very dangerous to talk about the matter as if there is still a controversy over the investigation rights of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit because the court has already made a legal judgment and even filed an objection to the arrest warrant.

[Kim Gi-heung]
I'll tell you briefly. In a way, the president has the right not to make a statement. You have the right to remain silent. If you say it's illegal on this matter, you have the right not to go out. So if there is a problem, force it. I can't do that part. And most of all, you can make on-site visits and coordinate various things, and you have to go to the Constitutional Court trial today, right? Nevertheless, to do so, it's like locking a lion in a cage, putting chains on his feet, and stabbing a spear from the outside. The president is now suspended, arrested, and detained.

Aren't you in custody? What did you say when the warrant was rejected at the time, representative Lee Jae-myung was very honest in the eyes of the people? Since he is the leader of the opposition party and the leader of the public party, he is the subject of public surveillance and criticism, so there is low concern about destroying evidence. At the same time, he said that the perjury teacher was explained again. Isn't there a sense of equity that people are different in the application of these laws? Given that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is forced to conduct such investigations for whom, isn't it doing what the Democratic Party says? In this respect, is the application of the law justified or fair? People don't just look at it. In terms of many people protesting, I would like to say that they are protesting against the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the treatment of the Democratic Party of Korea, which is pressuring it.

[Park Sungmin]
But isn't it different for me to talk about CEO Lee Jae-myung? Was CEO Lee Jae-myung martial law? Is CEO Lee Jae-myung a suspect in rebellion? No, the logic that law enforcement is becoming unequal while mentioning opposition politicians cannot be established in the first place. How do you ask for equity in a situation when it's not the same criminal charge? And it seems like you think of the crime of rebellion as a general sin, but the president is in a very super-legal position under the constitution. Because while in office, don't you have the privilege of not receiving criminal prosecution? But the exception is the crime of rebellion and foreign exchange.

So you're being accused of one of them, aren't you? Therefore, the criminal charges committed by the president are very serious because he is accused of such serious crimes. Therefore, strict and strict law enforcement is required in this area. This consensus is clear and the president's current attitude is being criticized because he said he would not avoid legal responsibility in front of the people.

However, even after saying that, if you look at what is said after that, as a result, you will review the instructions to use force to the security service. All these stories come out, and they hide behind the security and block the legitimate execution of the warrant. In fact, if you said you would not avoid legal and political responsibilities, you would not lead to such a physical conflict, but you should come out yourself and say, "I'll just respond." The president has been criticized for holding out, refusing to comply with documents, and not appointing a lawyer.

[Anchor]
The president said he would attend the third hearing of the impeachment trial at 2 p.m. today. In the meantime, he said he would choose the right time and go out.Ma did not go out on the first and second pleading days, and following today's attendance, he expressed his position that he would attend in person if possible. What was the special reason?

[Kim Gi-heung]
First of all, he has consistently stated that he will not respond to the investigation of the Presidential Corruption Investigations Unit because there is a problem. And I didn't make it to the Constitutional Court on Tuesday and Friday last week, not that I didn't. It is said that an arrest warrant will be executed on Wednesday, but then the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit allows something for the Constitutional Court trial to do this, something considerate, wasn't there?

That's why I couldn't get out in a situation where there was a possibility of personal arrest. I think there is a problem with the Constitutional Court in the case of last Thursday. Above all, the president was in custody. Then you can't go out. Then, I believe that the trial should have been postponed, not as requested by the president, rather than proceeding with the trial in a vacant seat. And unilaterally designated five days and an additional three days, as I always say, in Article 40 of the Constitutional Act, the impeachment trial is subject to the criminal procedure law.

If so, the criminal procedure rules say that if multiple trial dates are designated collectively, the opinions of lawyers should be heard, but all of them were ignored. In that respect, why is the Constitutional Court so fast? You have to be accurate in the facts and guarantee the right to defend yourself, and the Constitution is not just one of the criminal trials, is it? Because it's a single-minded person. And above all, it makes a big decision that leads to the suspension of the president's duties and, furthermore, his dismissal. If so, shouldn't the people be convinced only when procedural legitimacy is secured in the process?

[Anchor]
On the screen, we are showing CCTV around the Constitutional Court. Police vehicles are blocking all lanes right now. Police vehicles are lined up in one lane, and the surrounding traffic is very crowded. It's early morning rush hour. The surrounding traffic conditions are also very crowded. As President Yoon Suk Yeol announced that he would attend the third hearing at the Constitutional Court scheduled for 2 p.m. today, police buses are also lined up at the scene. Supreme Council member, I think there are many predictions that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will not stop the president from appearing at the Constitutional Court like this because he has to guarantee the right to defend and plead.

[Park Sungmin]
I think it's hard to stop it. But I think we need to analyze the president's intentions. First of all, the president's lawyers announced that the president would attend in person if possible in the future, and I read that this would lead to a massive political struggle. Now, I think the president is making legal proceedings that should be done justly into his political arena. So, we should continue to argue that the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is illegal, and in fact, deny the court and discipline the judge. Talking like this is never going to work in favor of the suspect, President Yoon Suk Yeol, in the Constitutional Court's trial and in the criminal trial for civil war.

This is because it is a violation of the constitutional order, and in a way, it cannot be advantageous to show an unrepentant appearance and deny the rule of law at a time when this judgment is needed, right? Nevertheless, why would such a strategy be implemented? In the end, it's political instigation, and I'm looking at it like this. It's a message for supporters and it's continuing some kind of political action to rally supporters more strongly. So, in reality, the arrest warrant was issued first, so even if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit's refusal to investigate persists, there are no various justifications, right?

As a result, I think the Constitutional Court is used as one of the various means to resist the investigation, and as I said earlier, I think the intention is to focus more on the public opinion battle in which I actively express my position by making various arguments, but I wonder if it will be valid. Because even when the president's lawyers are present and talking, no valid argument comes out.

So, that part of the opposition is a little hard to reverse the game of public opinion, but it's hard to defend or criticize? There is no such argument at all, and in a way, the Constitutional Court should bring specific stories. For example, bring specific details when anti-state forces, or when the opposition party says it did something wrong. The same goes for rigged elections. However, as it is pointed out that there are no specific stories about it, I think the lawyers are finally talking about the president's position, right? If so, I believe that even if the president is present and talks in person, he will continue to be a kind of political agitation that does not deviate significantly from what he has said and what he has said in his public statements.

[Anchor]
Let's also look at the Western District Court rampage. The Democratic Party of Korea is criticizing Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the People's Power, and the Democratic Party is scheduled to submit a proposal to expel Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun today. What do you think?

[Park Sungmin]
Of course. Because there have been some questions raised about lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. For example, will a senior lawmaker of the ruling party show a political collusion with Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon? Some thought that it would be very dangerous to be involved in the far-right, and some pointed out that it is not politically appropriate to actively cover the president after the martial law broke out and say a big bow to the protesters. But the problem was that the Western District Court released text messages about the forces that had been violent and the forces that had been abusive. But in my opinion, the text message was very serious. Because it's going to be disciplined.

Therefore, those who are booked for being rude will be given disciplinary action. After talking about those who were arrested, wouldn't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's text message have been a big driving force in the end? There was a question of whether he instilled a kind of confidence that even if we do this, we will not be punished much legally, and another thing that turned out to be revealed was that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun contacted him directly. It's a very heavy criticism because it turns out that he called and told him to do something well. In the end, he will be criticized for abusing his position as a lawmaker for this mob, so I'll tell you to keep that in mind.

[Anchor]
Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee of the People's Power, said, "The opposition party has become obsessed with expulsion." What are the opinions coming out of the party now?

[Kim Gi-heung]
So, first of all, in the case of our people's power, we oppose the use of violent methods to carry out our opinions. No violence can be justified. But what I do when I see the Democratic Party doing is impeachment, independent counsel, or expulsion. Then, if you make a law sometimes, I think there is only a great man theory of representative Lee Jae-myung. You can find out the facts and criticize them. About 17 people crossed the wall on the 18th of Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun. But I was immediately arrested. So from the perspective of people outside, can it be a big problem, isn't it a fierce backlash?

Then, we need to put these people on our own. That's why I looked into it. I texted you like that after looking it up. I was just saying that I could be given a discount. Then this is the evening of the 18th. It's before the warrant was issued. And then when did the so-called people get into the court? It's 2 to 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. It is not a situation where we can say that the situation and the post-war relationship are the cause and effect. Nevertheless, it is questionable whether it is right to say that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun led or promoted something with the early morning situation. Above all, I mention the explanation for this issue, but in the case of Representative Lee Sang-sik, how many times do you call with the officials of the National Assembly to the point that your mobile phone is on fire? If you played the role of a messenger so confidently. How is he doing?

Are you expelling me? Is there a qualitative difference between simply calling the head of the Gangnam Police Station and asking him to solve this problem, asking him to do so, and giving orders and receiving orders for the investigation like fire, and bragging about it? And the Democratic Party is obviously wrong on this part. But again, it's a second civil war. Then how long are you going to be a rebellion? I think the Democrats are inciting a civil war. Why? Taking advantage of this confusion, what does representative Lee Jae-myung want in the end?

Aren't you trying to impeach the president and achieve your own political assets by running for an early presidential election? So what does the Democratic Party in the United States say? What kind of Korean senator doesn't even say that? There are even criticisms from the United States that certain people are using the current situation for political ambition. So I think there's only one way the political community is approaching this. You can investigate according to the law, follow the law, and take responsibility accordingly. However, if you look at the Democratic Party's remarks yesterday, I don't know how it would help to solve this problem by saying that most of the people on the street are considered rioters.

[Park Sungmin]
But first of all, is it okay to try this wall interview? It's not okay. Even if the Woldam attempt was made just before the invasion of the Western District Court, it can be seen as a kind of precursor. An attempt at wall talks can also be one of the acts of violence. So what do you know how to do over the court fence? So, it is necessary to have a clear awareness of the problem in those areas, and it is not the job of a lawmaker to directly contact the Gangnam Police Station chief about the people who were arrested for being rude and to say that there are some performers. What does conservative keep talking about? Don't you always talk about the rule of law? Don't you talk about fair law enforcement? However, I would like to tell you that the issue is completely different if a senior ruling party lawmaker contacts the head of the Gangnam Police Station directly.

[Kim Gi-heung]
Let me just say one thing. A member of the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions went to the front of the official residence and threw a walkie-talkie to the police and fell down. In a way, he's seriously injured in his head and can't come out to the scene right now. However, the members of the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions were released the next day. So I'm curious. I am against the court's act of crossing the wall. I'd like to ask you if that's how much weight you put in and actually threw a walkie-talkie at the police, and what's more legally responsible. If so, the police have not been able to actively respond to the illegal activities of the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions or the opposition parties.

I even did a tractor in Namtaeryeong, and the tractor is less than 30km/h.
That's why you shouldn't come in. However, when the Democratic Party lawmakers went, the acting police chief heard about it through negotiations and allowed it to the front of the official residence. Is that normal? So in the end, we have to follow the law in a balanced way in the enforcement and application of the law. It raises the question of whether the police are doing it properly in the current situation.

[Park Sungmin]
I think I should give you a fact check. It's wrong news that the police are in a coma and unable to return to the scene because of the radio you just mentioned.

[Kim Gi-heung]
I didn't say I was in a coma. I haven't been able to do it yet.

[Park Sungmin]
No, because he said he was treated at a nearby hospital and returned to the unit. At that time, there was a fact-check that this was fake news because it was driven from the people's power in a way that it was a coma, and the police clearly said that although there were police who were clearly injured, they returned to the unit after receiving treatment for wounds.

[Kim Gi-heung]
I didn't tell you that I was in a coma. It's true that I didn't come back for a few days after that.

[Park Sungmin]
You said you haven't been able to return yet, so I told you.

[Anchor]
Anyway, violence and illegal activities should not be done. To prevent a recurrence of court disturbance, I will tell you again that the police are preparing for various situations by using vehicles around the Constitutional Court today. Let's take a brief look at a poll. The mood has changed a lot. When I surveyed the preference of the next presidential election, the theory of extension of the regime outpaced the theory of regime change. How do you see it now in terms of the power of the people?

[Kim Gi-heung]
In fact, people were surprised at martial law at first when it came to areas where the Republic of Korea could not go normally. However, based on the Democratic Party's behavior after that, the only thing that does about martial law is impeachment, right? When people saw Lee Jae-myung's smile walking out of the plenary session hall after the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo, what is this? Oh, isn't this person impeaching the state normally, but eventually neutralizing it, effectively disrupting the national constitution? By the way, even the acting president is talking about impeachment, right? Is this normal?

And people didn't know that 29 impeachments were made. The head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, the head of the Board of Audit and Inspection, Is there not a single thing that has been cited in this regard? He has never shown a responsible attitude. Looking at such a series of situations, the people found their coolness. But that's still the case now. What should I do because the polls are against them? Let's say we're going to file a complaint with a poll company. Yesterday, I said I was going to visit, but I dropped it because the atmosphere was not good. He said he wouldn't go. So, in the end, aren't they supposed to be accused of inciting their politics and propaganda, and then finally, they're excluded from the impeachment? In the end, the people are finding their coolness.

Of course, there is something we need to think more soberly about how well the people's power did in this process, but the Democratic Party's current one-way domination raises a fundamental question of whether it can be viewed as a healthy political force by the people, I think so.

[Anchor]
Earlier, we showed you the party support graphically for a while, but it's out of the margin of error, so the people's power is leading the way. The Democratic Party has formed a special polling committee. Should I say that the party will directly verify and respond to the polls in the future?

[Park Sungmin]
So, a problematic poll. For example, if there are intentional distortions and manipulations of opinion polls, in fact, even if we don't make a special committee, we've been pointing out the problems of opinion polls regardless of whether it's a political party or not. In fact, wasn't there a story like this that public opinion polls need more verification after various suspicions broke out regarding Myung Tae-kyun in the power of the people? I think it's this kind of situation. But I personally think that we should look at the current situation a little more soberly. First of all, conservatives are gathering more actively than in the past, and the response rate is increasing. That's why it seems that there is an axis that can be seen like this, which is a reward and sampling. However, on the other hand, I certainly need to have a sense of crisis that this trend cannot be ignored. So, if the Democratic Party does what it needs to do properly, but there are parts that are not appealed to the people in a way, what are the shortcomings? For example, I think the party should have given more stability. I think that false polls or deliberate distortions of polls should be corrected, but apart from that, I also think we should think about what needs to be supplemented politically and strategically.

[Anchor]
I see. I'll stop listening to it. Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea's Supreme Council. Thank you both.