■ Starring: Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea
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[Anchor]
Just a moment ago, a breaking news came in that the third day of President Yoon's impeachment trial had ended. The president attended in person. It started at 2 o'clock, so it's been about an hour and 40 minutes. I think it was shorter than I thought. We'll talk about this news with the two of you. Let's talk with Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, and Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea. Welcome, two of you.
We're showing you what the Constitutional Court looks like at this time. As I told you, the third hearing date for the impeachment trial has ended. The president attended in person, and after a while, the president's vehicle is expected to leave the Constitutional Court and return to the Seoul Detention Center. At the time of entering the Constitutional Court, the convoy and security vehicles entered through the entrance parking lot, which looks like a blocking rod, and now that the third hearing is over, you can see a convoy and security vehicles carrying President Yoon Suk Yeol leaving for the Seoul Detention Center when you are ready, and you are seeing the Constitutional Court, the parking lot, and the door. You can see people who seem to be journalists here. After that, officials of the Constitutional Court, and behind that, the police car looks like this. First of all, lawmaker Kim Sung-tae, you must have watched the 3rd day of the Constitutional Court of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol attend. How did you see it?
[Kim Sung-tae]
That's right. Just before the Constitutional Court hearing began at 2 o'clock, he entered about 10 minutes earlier than the justices. The president's desperate desire to restore his position in the Constitutional Court trial itself is a part of his impression, sitting down, and politely greeting the judges. That's how I felt in every way.
[Anchor]
Wait a minute. It appears to be briefing reporters.
[Interview]
I'll briefly tell you how I felt about today's 3rd hearing. Why President Yoon Suk Yeol is attending today's trial. And why on earth would he attend the Constitutional Court trial when he said he would continue to attend it other than today? I had a question about this. But as I listened to the accused today, I had my own judgment. He says he doesn't remember what he mainly says today being judged to be disadvantageous to them, and he clearly says what he thinks is advantageous.
And what you usually say is that you talk about fraudulent elections. I doubt that what I would like to say by attending our Constitutional Court is not because of changing the direction of the Constitutional Court or because it is unfair, but because I want to continue to lead the incitement that follows him. People who are the usual president were arrested and arrested for supporting him, and the police who prevented him were injured.
I would like to ask you to apologize for your mistakes now, refrain from causing further disturbances, and take a more serious attitude toward the Constitutional Court's trial.
[Interview]
Why the respondent was present at the Constitutional Court while in custody today.
[Anchor]
I briefly listened to the briefings of the judiciary committee members to reporters. Representatives Lee Chun-seok, Lee Sung-yoon, and Park Eun-jung were seen. Rep. Cheon Ha-ram was also seen. President Yoon Suk Yeol said he would continue to attend the Constitutional Court trial other than today, saying he would give his impressions of the audience. But he said he wondered why he attended. Then I can see the reason why I'm attending. At the same time, he said he had no memory of being judged unfavorable and that he clearly said what he thought was favorable. And Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Chun-seok said that what Yoon Suk Yeol's president usually says was mainly related to fraudulent elections.
President Yoon's remarks at the Constitutional Court today were summarized for about a minute. I apologized to the judges for making them suffer from the impeachment case amid heavy work due to various constitutional lawsuits. Since he grew up, he has emphasized that he has firmly brought the belief of liberal democracy in his public life. As the Constitutional Court also exists to protect the Constitution, I hope the judges will take a good look. I'll let you know if it's a necessary situation or if I have any questions. It is said that he made a short statement like this. Senator, how did you see it? Is there a special reason why the president designated today to attend?
[Woo Sangho]
I don't know. I set a date.It's important whether you're going to participate in today's pleading day or not, but if you do, what kind of intention are you going to participate? This will be the question. In view of this, the investigation should not continue to cooperate, but he should attend the hearing of the Constitutional Court and defend himself so that he does not take measures to dismiss him as much as possible. So it seems that they have a two-step response strategy that says they can respond to the investigation later if they can continue to hold the presidency. If you listen closely to Representative Chun-seok's story,
is talking with that purpose, but he continues to talk with the idea of instigating his supporters on the floor. The purity of the intention to attend the trial is questionable in that, in addition to the stories for pleading, stories that can incite supporters outside are continuing.
I'm not pointing it out for this purpose. From now on, if the president continues to participate in the Constitutional Court trial like this, he will continue to testify against him with two purposes, and on the other hand, he will continue to shake up the supporters outside.
[Anchor]
He summarized that it was a place to gather supporters. Representative Kim, Representative Woo just organized it, and this is the second half of what Representative Lee Chun-seok of the Democratic Party said just now. It is questionable whether the intention is to continue leading the act of incitement. Supporters were arrested and detained, and a police officer was also injured. You feel sorry for that and you say that you didn't talk about it in particular, what do you think about this?
[Kim Sung-tae]
It was a one-sided meeting of Rep. Lee Chun-seok. So, I would have watched him for an hour and 40 minutes until the end of the third hearing today, but he stressed that he actually did it because he got a chance to speak to the Constitutional Court judge for a minute, and that he has lived to protect the beliefs of liberal democracy, and he is actively expressing his intention in the Constitutional Court's argument, which is that President Yoon Suk Yeol is also actively exercising the right to defend himself that the Constitution guarantees.
However, as for the investigation so far, the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is still resisting and refusing to admit that the warrant was issued by an agency that was not legally authorized to investigate. In that respect, the whole nation feels that the ugly image that happened in the Western District Court should never happen again to its supporters, and there was such a part in the third round of the Constitutional Court's argument in which he instigated it, which is not only too Democratic members of the judiciary but also too arbitrary.
[Anchor]
It's actually the first public appearance since the declaration of the emergency martial law. But after the first story grew up, I said that I've lived with a firm belief in liberal democracy. What do you mean by that?
[Woo Sangho]
The declaration of martial law this time was not aimed at violating the constitutional order. I was talking to argue that he didn't mean that because he was a liberal democracy believer. But isn't this a violation of the liberal democratic order, at least for the martial law and mobilization of soldiers, and the subsequent invasion and rioting of so many people on the Western District Court? Then, in today's remarks, I think it was necessary to emphasize once again that the supporters of him should refrain from turning violent like this and protest within the boundaries of the law. As Rep. Lee Chun-seok said earlier, he was injured in the process. Aren't you the current president? From the president's point of view, it would have been necessary to express various regrets about the current police officers' injuries.
[Anchor]
We're organizing it with the two of you. Then let's connect the legal reporters at the Constitutional Court to summarize the situation in more detail. I'm connected to reporters Youngsoo Kim and Lee Kyung-guk, so please tell me the details.
[Reporter]
The Constitutional Court will follow up with the relevant news. As I explained earlier, the third hearing date of President Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment trial was concluded a little while ago. It started at 2 o'clock. It ended in an hour and 43 minutes. President Yoon Suk Yeol has been confirmed to have retired and is probably preparing to return to detention. The screen on the right now is the entrance to the underground parking lot where President Yoon Suk Yeol's vehicle entered. It is expected that the vehicle will come out from here. President Yoon arrived at the Constitutional Court at around 1:10 p.m. today in a convoy of the Ministry of Justice. He was not seen getting out of the car and entering the Constitutional Court. President Yoon later entered the Constitutional Court's grand judgment, which will be held at 1:58 a.m. At this time, President Yoon Suk Yeol's appearance in public was revealed for the first time in nearly 50 days. I wore a navy suit and a red tie at today's referee's court. It has been found that President
Yoon was in a detention center in a suit after his arrest. After being arrested, they will be changed to a suspect in custody, so they will live in a detention center wearing a detention suit with a detention number. When he comes to the Constitutional Court today, he seems to have changed his clothes. As you can see, my hair was a little tidy. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol made a number of remarks today, so shall we first hear what he said before the trial began in earnest?
[Reporter]
First of all, President Yoon sat next to the lawyer, the respondent's representative at the front of the respondent's seat, in the grand judgment. When asked by Judge Moon Hyung-bae whether the respondent himself was present, he stood up, bowed his head first, and then sat down. After that, Judge Moon gave President Yoon a chance to speak before the full-fledged hearing began. President Yoon spoke for a little over a minute. He said he apologized to the judges for causing them to suffer from the impeachment case, which is heavy on his work due to various constitutional lawsuits. He stressed that he has been living in public office since he grew up and has firmly brought his belief in liberal democracy. He went on to say that the Constitutional Court also exists to protect the Constitution, so I hope the judges will take a good look. I ended my brief remarks, saying I would tell you if it was a necessary situation or if I had any questions. Since then, President Yoon's remarks have continued during the hearing period. We'll keep you posted additionally.
[Reporter]
President Yoon Suk Yeol was present for the first time today at the third hearing. So I've had several opportunities to speak, but let's first look at the note that I reportedly gave to Deputy Prime Minister for Economic Affairs Choi Sang-mok and then Deputy Prime Minister for Economic Affairs. When martial law was declared, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok mentioned at the National Assembly that he had received a note from the president, and the prosecution investigation found that the note included budgeting for emergency legislative bodies and blocking subsidies and subsidies related to the National Assembly. So it was one of the important pieces of evidence because it could be a basis for trying to neutralize the National Assembly. The Constitutional Court asked about this. I asked President Yoon directly if he had ever given me this note, but he said he had never given it, and he replied that he saw such a note in the media after the martial law was lifted.
At the same time, he mentioned that the only person who can make this is Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, but he has not confirmed it in detail because he is in custody. Earlier, this note was also mentioned during the review of the last arrest warrant. It was treated as important, but President Yoon was still unclear about the note at the time. He once answered that he didn't know if he wrote it. In addition to this, didn't the National Assembly and the president also have a fight over fraudulent elections?
[Reporter]
That's right. There was a battle over allegations of fraudulent elections. In the process, there was even a direct statement from President Yoon. To summarize, President Yoon first explained the results of the 2023 NEC voting system security inspection announced by the National Intelligence Service and the photo of the ballot that was taken at the recount site of the 21st general election. First of all, President Yoon's side repeatedly claimed that there was a stiff ballot that could not be considered to have been folded and inserted after normal voting. The National Assembly immediately refuted the claim, saying it would have a detrimental effect on the people. He also strongly refuted the claim, saying that it is an act of crumpling the election factory into a trash can. He said that all allegations of fraudulent elections were judged as unfounded claims through the judgment of the Supreme Court and judicial authorities.
He then emphasized that he did not think it was an issue of the impeachment trial, and there was one election fraud. Handul emphasized that the reason for impeachment cannot be justified. The National Assembly then emphasized that it was the reason President Yoon brought up to justify his actions after the failure of martial law. Subsequently, President Yoon himself got the opportunity to speak and virtually refuted it again. Before declaring martial law, President Yoon himself said there were many points of doubt about trust in election fairness. President Yoon himself told the court that he did not believe that the entire election was fraudulent, but that it was intended to check how the NEC system works.
[Reporter]
President Yoon Suk Yeol's third hearing date ended in an hour and 43 minutes. The screen you see on the right is the entrance to the underground parking lot where President Yoon Suk Yeol's vehicle entered. On the left is the entrance where agents come in and out. The National Assembly's prosecutors and representatives have made a series of remarks, and the president seems to have not yet come out. There's one more thing the president said. The National Assembly asked President Yoon to set up a screen to prevent him from facing witnesses when questioning witnesses because he is an incumbent president. This is because there was a concern that it might be difficult to state the truth if we were face-to-face. President
Yoon directly refuted this as well. He countered that he couldn't exert influence because his job was suspended. At the same time, he emphasized that the person who knows this case well and the person who knows it best is himself. I've said a lot of things and there are a lot of things besides this, but we'll organize it a little more and give it to you next time. Isn't it meaningful that the president attended the impeachment trial today?
[Reporter]
That's right. Today is actually the first time that President Yoon Suk Yeol has come out in public since declaring martial law. I've made several conversations, but they were all pre-recorded prepared videos. Therefore, it is understood that it has been 49 days since December 3rd to come out and speak in a public place. It seems meaningful that President Yoon's appearance was revealed for the first time.
[Reporter]
President Yoon Suk Yeol, you will all remember. I made a statement when I declared martial law, and I've made a number of statements since then. And when the sun changed, I sent a message to the supporters in front of the residence. And they released the warrant they filmed just before they were arrested to the media after they were arrested. However, even though I sent such a message, I never had a chance for reporters to ask questions. When he was arrested by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and escorted to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it was difficult for reporters to even access the screen by going into the place where the screen was installed. It was the same when the arrest warrant was reviewed. I went into the underground parking lot and didn't encounter the reporters. I think these things can be meaningful because the president came out on the hearing day today and answered questions. How many witnesses have been chosen at today's hearing? What happened?
[Reporter]
Since then, witnesses to be questioned have been adopted at the hearing date. I'll explain it separately for now. First of all, the National Assembly's impeachment prosecution, or witnesses on the part of the claimant. There are Hong Jang-won, former deputy director of the National Intelligence Service, Lee Jin-woo, commander of the Capital Defense Command, Yeo In-hyeong, and Kwak Jong-geun, commander of the Special Warfare Command. National Police Agency Commissioner Jo Ji-ho issued a statement of reason for not attending due to health problems, but the court has put the recall on hold. Next is the President of Yoon Suk Yeol, so the witness on the respondent's side. Lee Sang-min, former Minister of Public Administration and Security, Park Chun-seop, senior presidential secretary for economic affairs, Kim Yong-hyun, former Minister of National Defense, and Kim Hyun-tae, 707 special commander, were selected as witnesses. And today, it was announced during martial law. He also expressed his position before the investigation of the evidence of decree No. 1. First of all, President Yoon explained that former Minister Kim Yong-hyun's declaration of emergency martial law during the former military regime was written as it was, and that the president revised it several characters.
He went on to say that it was intended to stop and warn the large opposition party's abuse of impeachment and legislative runaway, stressing that it was intended to be martial law, but he had no intention of enforcing the decree. In particular, he emphasized that he did not have a specific execution plan. He explained that the decree's ban on political activities was also intended to ban illegal activities by the National Assembly, not to dissolve the National Assembly, or to prevent legislative or legislative activities. Furthermore, he claimed that he had never ordered the arrest of Han Dong-hoon, former representative of People's Power, National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik, or legal professionals.
[Reporter]
As I have said several times, the 3rd pleading date was held for about an hour and 43 minutes today. However, a little more than 20 minutes have passed, but President Yoon Suk Yeol's vehicle has not yet come out. You may be getting ready to start. Also, it may be necessary to prepare in advance for security. Let's look at what happened today about the hearing date. There are several things that the National Assembly insisted on. Reporter Lee Kyung-guk will organize that, too.
[Reporter]
First of all, the National Assembly's impeachment bill presented media articles, emphasizing the situation at the time of martial law declaration and the illegality of the decree. He also explained the minutes of the National Assembly meeting as evidence. The members of the State Council came to the National Assembly after the declaration of martial law and testified that the parliamentary process was not followed, that there were procedural flaws, and that there were defects. He emphasized that there were procedural flaws while expressing his position on this part. Subsequently, evidence investigation was conducted on CCTV videos submitted by the National Assembly as evidence. After the declaration of martial law, the scene of a helicopter landing in the National Assembly and the scene of an armed martial law army breaking a window and entering the National Assembly were confirmed in the grand jury. In addition, CCTV footage of the confrontation between National Assembly officials and martial law forces near the Rotender Hall of the National Assembly and the Gwacheon Central Election Commission was played and evidence investigation was conducted. In addition, several videos were played at today's defense session, including martial law forces confiscating NEC employees' mobile phones and taking pictures of the NEC's server.
[Reporter]
President Yoon Suk Yeol's attendance at the impeachment trial today has another meaning. Former Presidents Roh Moo Hyun and Park Geun Hye were impeached earlier, but they have never appeared in a direct defense. However, for the first time in history, the current president of Yoon Suk Yeol came to the hearing date of the impeachment trial. In the past cases, all agents came out and proceeded with the impeachment proceedings. As I told you earlier, we also confirmed that President Yoon came to the hearing and spoke for about a minute just before the impeachment proceedings and trial proceeded, and then actively answered questions. Wasn't it urgent that President Yoon Suk Yeol decided to attend the hearing and announced it to the media?
[Reporter]
That's right. I think we need to look at yesterday's situation first. Yesterday, the high-ranking government official's criminal investigation office launched a compulsory recruitment process for President Yoon. I tried to force a job until around 9 p.m. Forced recruitment, the process was carried out to forcibly bring President Yoon Suk Yeol in the Seoul Detention Center to the investigation room of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. At that time, six people, including prosecutors and investigators from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, shared two vehicles and visited the Seoul Detention Center. I tried from around 4 p.m. to 9 p.m., but it failed in the end. It is said that President Yoon strongly expressed his willingness to refuse the investigation. After this failure, news spread through President Yoon's lawyers that President Yoon will attend the impeachment trial today.
Of course, there have been many talks that President Yoon will attend the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court in person. President Yoon's position that "I will leave when the time is right" has long been handed down through lawyers, but he has also stated that he will leave once personal safety and mishaps are resolved after the arrest warrant is issued. However, yesterday, he suddenly announced that he would attend the third hearing of the impeachment trial, and his intention was confirmed that he would do his best not only today but also in the future. The Constitutional Court also confirmed President Yoon's intention to attend and expressed his opinion in person on the third hearing day today.
[Reporter]
So far, there is no vehicle in which President Yoon Suk Yeol is in sight. It's been almost 30 minutes since the defense was over. It seems that the preparation work is getting longer. The Constitutional Court will tell you this much. If there is any additional news, we will organize it again and deliver it to you. Please come out to Sangam-dong studio.
[Anchor]
We will continue to talk with you two. The screen was uneven for a moment. We ask for your understanding. To summarize the situation, the third impeachment hearing date was held at 2 o'clock. It took about an hour and 43 minutes with President Yoon in person. It ended at 3:43 a little while ago. About 30 minutes have passed now, but while the president is said to have retreated, the vehicle has not yet been seen exiting through the parking lot exit. In a moment, the screen is expected to show what it looked like at the court and what kind of remarks it made. We'll let you know as soon as the screen comes in. Senator, I also think that it was a little shorter than I thought. It's been 30 minutes now, but the vehicle isn't getting out. What steps are in progress right now?
[Woo Sangho]
We didn't know when the trial would end now, so we couldn't come up with various security measures or road control plans, right? As soon as the trial is over, I'm probably asking the National Police Agency to take various traffic measures to secure security measures and routes, and it's a process of establishing them, so if you finish it, there's a high possibility that you'll leave then. It should be considered as a standby state.
[Anchor]
And today's third pleading date was initially expected to take about 4 hours or 6 hours, but looking at the time now, it seems to have lasted about 1 hour and 40 minutes.
[Kim Sung-tae]
From my perspective, it wasn't short or long. During the Park Geun Hye presidency, it was much shorter than that. However, for an hour and 40 minutes, the constitutional judges seem to have spent a lot of time, especially giving the respondent, President Yoon Suk Yeol, a chance to speak and seeing through the position of the defense. And isn't there a witness requested by the National Assembly impeachment inquiry today and a witness requested by the respondent, President Yoon Suk Yeol? Depending on the size of this witness, it is possible to infer how long the pleading period will be in the future. However, it seems to me that there are not many and not a few witnesses. Which means the justices have some control over what I know of dozens of witnesses.
[Anchor]
It is said that what kind of process came out during the trial, but if I summarize it for a moment, the court will review the request for separation of the president and witnesses. The National Assembly requested that President Yoon examine witnesses in a retired state. Because I am an incumbent president, I am concerned that if the witnesses and the president face each other directly, the witnesses will tell the truth, and the National Assembly said this. The president
is already unable to exert influence because he is suspended from his job. It is said that the president himself said that I am the one who knows the details of the incident best. How should I look at this part? I think the president is refusing the request for the separation of witnesses.
[Woo Sangho]
But the most important thing is what the actual truth is, right? In that respect, there are conflicting statements between the president and ministers or related witnesses now. In that case, the generals who were telling the truth or the defense secretary expressed concern that if they face the president directly, they may be threatened and testify in the way the president wants, and I think the justice department will judge it properly, but in my opinion, people who make statements that contradict the president's views in common sense can't lie, right?
I think we should see that the statements of those who have been instructed and performed their duties are consistent with the facts, but the president keeps saying that he has never ordered it and that he has not been involved, so it seems a little cowardly to me. So, usually at that point, the president ordered everything I ordered, and all the responsibility lies with me. But wouldn't it seem fair to explain that this is the reason why I took this action?
[Anchor]
It's an extension of what you just said, but the court asked the president if he had given such an order to bring down lawmakers, and President Yoon answered such a question, "Let's bring down lawmakers." And on the part of President Yoon, the suspicion of blocking the demand for the lifting of martial law is not true. It is said that the National Assembly and the media are much stronger than the president. Also, the president is searching for election fraud. So, he would have declared an emergency martial law in relation to the allegations of fraudulent elections, wasn't there a lot of these suspicions? However, it was not that dimension, but that it was a request for an inspection by the NEC, and it was said that he answered to this effect. Please say something.
[Kim Sung-tae]
Therefore, in the original ruling, President Yoon Suk Yeol's position is to properly inform the people of the ruinous behavior due to excessive legislative power. Then, excessive legislative power is likely to be a legislative runaway, over-impeachment, and budget cuts. This behavior has reached the point where it is impossible to run the country as a proper head of the administration. That's why the people should know this reality right away. In that respect, it is a warning and alarming emergency martial law, and military soldiers who restrict the activities of the National Assembly through the personal arrest of lawmakers and prevent them from doing so did not enter and cause a bloody conflict. I think you made a defense argument on this part.
[Anchor]
Wait a minute. The video of the 3rd hearing day of the Constitutional Court came in today and I'm giving it to you right away. On the 3rd pleading date today, the actual video file came into our side. Looking at the screen, it seems that President Yoon Suk Yeol has not entered yet. Let's listen to the president's voice and the court's appearance in which the third hearing was held today.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
As it is an institution that exists to protect the Constitution, I ask that our judges take a good look at it in many ways. I'll let you know if it's a necessary situation or if you have any questions. Thank you.
[Anchor]
You just saw the Constitutional Court's grand judgment. The president's remarks, which were delivered earlier, were conveyed directly through fostering. As the Constitutional Court also exists to protect the Constitution, I hope the judges will take a good look. You heard the president's brief remarks that he would tell you if there was a necessary situation or if you had any questions. We've been analyzing various comments. I'll let you know as soon as more related screens come in. Among the stories that came out today, there was also a story about the emergency legislative body. Perhaps the only question the judge asked in the warrant review was specifically what was the emergency legislative body? Let's say this was the question. It is said that this emergency legislative body is a word that appears in a note that the president gave to acting president Choi Sang-mok, but he denied that he had never given this note.
[Woo Sangho]
So if you look closely, then Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok received a note. Isn't it about the budget? So the purpose of the note is to dissolve the National Assembly and to establish a new emergency legislative body instead. The legislative body is the National Assembly. If it's an emergency legislative body, prepare the budget in advance because you'll create a new legislative body that replaces the existing parliament. I got a note like this. The president claims that it appears to have been written by Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun and says that he was not involved.
[Anchor]
Former Minister Kim also said that he wrote it.
[Woo Sangho]
I'm sure you wrote it yourself. But did I do this or not? I don't see the possibility of a minister delivering a note to the deputy prime minister without the president's approval when he makes such an order. So in the early days, President Yoon Suk Yeol's testimony was that he couldn't remember the note well. It's like this. Isn't it important not who wrote it, but whether you approved it? Minister Kim Yong-hyun wrote the decree. However, the author is not responsible, but the approval authority is responsible for the fact that the president has examined and made the approval and announced it. From that point of view, I think I'm making strange sophistry to mislead the truth. So, if I've never put such a note to you, you should say that. If you didn't get involved. But I'm not saying that right now, but I'm saying that I didn't write it. If it was not a written problem, but if it was approved and ordered, it proved that it was trying to neutralize the existing National Assembly and create a new emergency legislative body.
[Kim Sung-tae]
That means whether he gave a note to the Minister of Strategy and Finance Choi Sang-mok at the time to draw up a budget for the National Emergency Legislative Organization, and the current judge asked exactly that. That's why President Yoon Suk Yeol never gave it to me. After a long time after the martial law was lifted...
[Anchor]
The situation of the Constitutional Court has come to the screen again.
[Interview]
If you wish to state your opinion on the reason for the prosecution, I will give you a chance to speak.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
I don't know if I should tell you.If you understand, should I stand up and do it? The microphone is low, so I'll sit down and do it. Since I'm in attendance for the first time today, I'll just briefly tell you. I am sorry to the judges first for making you suffer from my impeachment case while you are working heavily due to various constitutional lawsuits. I have lived with a firm belief in liberal democracy since I grew up, and especially in public life. As the Constitutional Court is also an institution that exists to protect the Constitution, I ask our judges to take a good look at it in many ways. I'll let you know if it's a necessary situation or if you have any questions. Thank you.
[Interview]
Thank you for your comment. Next, I will check the documents submitted by the parties after the last date. Opinion on the proceedings of January 16 from the claimant's side. Evidence summary manual dated 20 January. a video documentation Preparatory Paper 2, Evidence Submission No. 4 and No. 5 on January 20 as a summary document on each issue. State Newspaper Matters on Witness Jo Ji-ho submitted Evidence Submission No. 6 on January 21. Correction for the place of delivery of witness Kim Yong-hyun on January 17 on the respondent's side. the submission of evidence dated 17 January. Video of evidence, etc. . Proof plan for 2 to 6 proof of evidence dated January 20th. Attached data for each evidence submission, application for fact-finding on January 20th. The National Intelligence Service's World Council of Elective Agencies, the Yeonsu-gu Election Commission, the Paju Election Commission, the Korea Communications Commission, the Ministry of Public Administration and Security, and the Board of Audit and Inspection. Application for request for investigation of facts and order to submit documents on January 21st. Ministry of Public Administration and Security, Presidential Office, National Intelligence Service. Application for an order to submit each document dated January 20. The Board of Audit and Inspection, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the North Korean nuclear policy of the Korean Peninsula Peace and Negotiation Headquarters, an application for witness on January 20, an application for fact-finding and requesting the sending of a certified copy on January 20, and the Busan Metropolitan Police Agency. Application for commission of certified copy of each certification dated January 20, Supreme Court, Suwon High Court, National Police Agency, National Investigation Headquarters, and Security Investigation Bureau. A lyrical summary statement dated 20 January. Application for commission to send documents dated January 20th. the National Intelligence Service Matters to examine witnesses against witness Kim Yong-hyun.
[Anchor]
I just showed you the Constitutional Court's grand judgment. As previously mentioned, the president expressed his opinion that he would like to make a short statement as it is his first attendance day. Acting Constitutional Court Chief Moon Hyung-bae told me to do so. To summarize the president's remarks a little bit, he apologized to the judge for making him suffer from his impeachment case, although his work is heavy due to various constitutional lawsuits. He emphasized that he is a person who has firmly brought the belief of liberal democracy while living in public office since he grew up. The Constitutional Court also said that it wants the judges to take a good look at it as it exists to protect the Constitution. How will this appearance and development be open to the public affect public opinion?
[Kim Sung-tae]
That's right. This means that the judges of the Constitutional Court judge the actual violation of the Constitution rather than the legal principles. Therefore, in such a situation, the impeachment trial, which has a strong public opinion trial, creates public opinion in his favor and the judges of the Constitutional Court consider public opinion. In that sense, President Yoon Suk Yeol is a person who knows the court atmosphere better than anyone else by investigating in the prosecutor's office all his life and maintaining public prosecution in the court. That's why prosecutors aren't that polite in court, as best they can to the judges of the Constitutional Court.
However, the way he speaks to the judges of the Constitutional Court with a minute's right to speak, regardless of his status as president, is how the judges of the Constitutional Court are very hardworking and desperately want to do their best in the Constitutional Court trial.
[Anchor]
Senator Woo, how did you hear it?
[Woo Sangho]
All of my remarks are ceremonial greetings, so it doesn't seem easy to catch anything particularly meaningful in those greetings. Rather, the reports of various issues that came out during the trial made it possible to see President Yoon Suk Yeol's attitude and strategy. As mentioned earlier, he denies all unfavorable comments among the issues that can be judged on the unconstitutionality of martial law in various aspects, such as the election fraud and the memo issue. What that means is that he has a strategy to dismiss this impeachment consistently as a wife.
In that case, the question of what to do with the statements with the key witnesses remains, but in my opinion, I am very curious about the attitude President Yoon Suk Yeol will take when there are differences in the process of questioning witnesses on the follow-up hearing date. In my view, it is highly likely that the process will not be smooth, and I am worried that there is a high possibility that the national opinion of the people will be divided in each process.
[Anchor]
You said that the conflicting statements with us will be an issue, but we will listen to the remarks related to the note we gave to Acting President Choi Sang-mok, who we talked about earlier.
[Interview]
The first question is, have you ever given a note to the Minister of Strategy and Finance to draw up a budget for the National Emergency Legislative Body?
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
I've never given this before, and I saw in the article that after a long time after lifting martial law, this memo came out in the media. But the content of the article is a little inaccurate. Then, the only person who can make this is the defense minister, but the defense minister was arrested at the time, so I couldn't confirm it specifically. But if you look at the content, it seems that the content itself contradicts each other. Anyway, that's what it is about. If you ask me in detail, I'll answer you as soon as I know.
[Interview]
I'll give you the second and last question. Have you ever instructed Lee Jin-woo, commander of the Water Defense Command, and Kwak Jong-geun, commander of the Special Forces Command, to bring down the lawmakers who gathered in the National Assembly to resolve martial law after declaring martial law?
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
does not exist.
[Interview]
Then I'll wrap it up. Is there anything else you would like to say on behalf of both sides? First of all, do you have a claimant's representative?
[Anchor]
We heard the stories of the Constitutional Court's grand judgment a little while ago. The court ordered whether to deliver a note on the emergency legislative body. The president said he had never given a note to Choi Sang-mok, then deputy prime minister for economy, regarding the budget of an emergency legislative body. And after the martial law declaration, I learned from the media that there was a note like this up there. So the only person who can make this is the defense minister, but at that time, the defense minister was in custody, so I couldn't confirm the facts in detail. And the president told the story in detail without confirming the details of the defense minister's arrest. He also asked if the court had instructed the president to bring down lawmakers.
However, when asked such a question, he answered, "I never did that." Let's analyze this in detail. However, I don't know how to talk about the relationship between former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun and the president now. At first, Kim Yong-hyun's lawyers held a press conference on the 26th of last month and talked about it as if they were defending the president. However, he said that the president was in charge of whether or not to write a decree. Regarding the note, he also clarified that Minister Kim Yong-hyun wrote it.
[Kim Sung-tae]
In the case of former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, he wrote the decree himself. He prepared it and wrote it, but he finally revised it while looking for the code. That's how the president revised it. That's the fact. However, in the third hearing of the Constitutional Court today, President Yoon Suk Yeol said that the decree was made by Minister Kim Yong-hyun, so he could not because he was arrested even if he wanted to confirm it.
[Anchor]
Hold on. We'll have an additional screen, so let's listen to the recording.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
The impeachment trial is in accordance with criminal proceedings and I can't exert any influence because I'm suspended from my job. And it is the president himself, the respondent, who knows the contents of this case well. So I don't understand that argument. You said earlier that the suspicion of fraudulent elections was a conspiracy theory and that it was created after the fact that it was to justify martial law. Before declaring martial law, there were many questions about the trust in the fairness of these elections, and after inspecting a very small portion of the NIS' computer equipment in October 2023, there were many problems, so try to screen the NEC's computer system in general, not to search for fraudulent elections. There are these equipment and by what system it is operated. So please understand that I wasn't raising a conspiracy theory that all elections were fraudulent and could not be trusted, but rather checking the facts. The impeachment trial is done in accordance with criminal proceedings and I can't exert any influence because I'm currently suspended.
And the person who knows the contents of this case best is the president himself, the respondent. So I don't understand that argument. Earlier, he called the allegations of fraudulent elections a conspiracy theory and said they were created after the fact to justify martial law. Before declaring martial law, there were many questions about the trust in the fairness of these elections, and after inspecting a very small portion of the NIS's computer equipment in October 2023, there were many problems, so try to screen the NEC's computer system in general, not to search for fraudulent elections. What kind of equipment is there and by what system it is operated. So please understand that I wasn't raising such a conspiracy theory that all elections were fraudulent and could not be trusted, but that I was trying to confirm the facts.
[Interview]
Thank you for your comment. What you want to say more...
[President Yoon Suk Yeol]
I ask the judge to take a good look at it in many ways. I'll let you know if it's a necessary situation or if you have any questions. Thank you.
[Interview]
Thank you for your comment.
[Anchor]
Just a moment ago, I once again conveyed the appearance of the Constitutional Court's grand judgment. I delivered the president's remarks. Please understand in terms of checking the computer system of the NEC. He said that he was able to enter more military forces, but he withdrew on his own. I think it's similar to what was said in the previous public statement.
[Woo Sangho]
I'm repeating the same thing. The controversy over fraudulent elections has been raised over and over again, not just yesterday and today. The court verified it according to the relevant procedures and ruled that various multiple checks could not find fraudulent elections. The president's assertion like that should be seen as denying what the Constitutional Organization of the Republic of Korea has verified. Second, if it's done for inspection, you have to cooperate with the NEC to do it on your own, mobilizing soldiers to check for fraudulent elections? I don't think that makes sense.
That's why I have more reasons for impeachment because the president is making an argument that is far from reality and keeps repeating justifications for what he has done. I feel like this. That's why I suspect that repeated testimony like that is for the purpose of a trial or that he is making that statement to stir up supporters outside. Rational and logical, I don't look very consistent. It doesn't seem convincing either.
[Kim Sung-tae]
Therefore, it was difficult for the president to take proper state administration against excessive acts of general legislative power such as reckless budget cuts or excessive impeachment. On the other hand, it is also important to verify and manage the election committee as a president of Yoon Suk Yeol and as a president's responsibility because the issue of fairness in elections is the most important issue in democracy. In that sense, it is very important to resolve this so that the people do not have any suspicions of fraudulent elections. And as the president himself received a report from the president, some of it will be around October 2023 by the National Intelligence Service, but the NEC is easily exposed to hacking, and President Yoon Suk Yeol has been deeply concerned about such multifaceted problems. That, along with what I said earlier, was the background of the president's declaration of emergency martial law.
[Anchor]
We're going to show you the video footage of today's 3rd hearing, in the order of preparation, and we're going to ask you questions. As soon as President Yoon Suk Yeol's remarks on another topic come in, we'll show you again and continue asking related questions.Among the questions we asked earlier, is Ma ready to record now? Let's listen to it first.
[Yoon Suk Yeol / President]
I just briefly said something about the video, but to help you understand. Thank you. But the soldiers entered the main building earlier, and the employees resisted, so don't they come out like this? Even though you can go in as much as you want. The prosecutor's side keeps saying that it interfered with the National Assembly's decision, and the Democratic Party is now saying that. I want to say something like that. Then, if you interfered with the resolution made on the night of December 3rd and 4th by putting in the military, will it no longer be possible to demand the lifting of martial law and continue martial law? I don't think so. In Korea, the National Assembly and the media are much stronger than the president.
If I overdo it so that I can't decide to lift martial law, I can do it in other places, not in the National Assembly, and after that, I can ask for the lifting of martial law. And I think if you block it, it's really something you can't bear the brunt of. So he blocked the demand for martial law to be lifted. You're talking about a lot of these testimonies, but I was actually watching that show.Let's do it quickly in relation to the Speaker of the National Assembly, even among Ma. And Chairman Woo Won-sik, shouldn't you go through the procedure?
In this way, I made a very quick resolution that didn't fit the National Assembly law. But when I saw it, I withdrew the military right away. So the people in the National Assembly yard went out. And as soldiers passed by the National Assembly speaker's official residence earlier, as if they were going to arrest the speaker at 2 a.m. I think that's what happened in the process of retreating. What I want to say is that blocking or postponing it at that time does not prevent it.
[Interview]
Thank you for your comment.
This concludes the third pleading period. The next date is 2 p.m. on Thursday, January 23rd, and on that day, at 2:30 p.m., we will examine the witness Kim Yong-hyun. This is greater than or equal to
.
[Anchor]
We showed it through a small screen. The convoy carrying President Yoon left the Constitutional Court and is returning to the Seoul Detention Center. The screen I'm showing you now shows the presidential security vehicle and the Justice Department's convoy with the president in person leaving the underground parking lot of the Constitutional Court.
[Anchor]
The blue car you see now is a convoy with the president of Yoon Suk Yeol on board. This Ministry of Justice vehicle that says "emergency convoy." Based on this convoy, security vehicles will be attached back and forth. You will stay in this line and move to the Seoul Detention Center.
[Anchor]
You're controlling traffic just like when you come to the Constitutional Court, right? It looks like it will take about 30 minutes, how do you see it?
[Woo Sangho]
I was waiting for traffic control and I think I left right away when the traffic control plan was established.
[Anchor]
Yoon Gap-geun, the president's lawyer, is holding a briefing with reporters. Let's listen to it.
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
We explained our position, explained the evidence we submitted to us, and the president who came out in person answered the judge's questions with greetings. Overall, the trial is going smoothly, but as lawyer Do Tae-woo said at the end, there are still many regrets about fairness and neutrality.
[Reporter]
You haven't been here for an hour, what did you talk about?
[Yoon Gap-geun / ∀'s lawyer]
Various problems in today's trial process, problems of the other claimant's side. And we discussed whether the things we prepared were enough and how we should prepare for the next date.
[Reporter]
Today, the president said he never gave me that document with an emergency legislative body, but Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok testified to the National Assembly that the president asked me to claim it.
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
According to the minutes of the National Assembly's meeting, it says it was received from a working-level worker. The president says he hasn't actually seen the document, and I think the actual relationship will be revealed there because he applied for a witness to Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun on the 23rd.
[Reporter]
Did the decree No. 1 fail to inspect and just come out like this as a mistake as submitted by former Minister Kim Yong-hyun?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
It's hard to say it's a mistake. I will fully express my opinion through the trial later, but the decree under the emergency decree must be in place in form, and since it is prepared according to the nature of the emergency decree, it is difficult to say that it is a decree with the intention to carry out the action plan and implementation plan properly.
[Reporter]
Do you admit that it's unconstitutional? unconstitutionality of the content itself.
[Yoon Gap-geun / Defense attorney for President Yoon Suk Yeol]
The unconstitutionality of the content itself is to be reviewed with the specific action plan of the content, and it is difficult to see the literature itself.
[Reporter]
It says that party activities are prohibited, but are you saying that it's not unconstitutional?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
What grounds do you think it's unconstitutional? The Constitutional Court will later reveal that it has a deep meaning, and ask then. Then it will be explained and interpreted then.
[Reporter]
Do you admit that you were poor throughout the whole martial law process?
[Kap-geun Yoon]
I think the insolvency of the martial law procedure will be fully explained during the trial process, and some misunderstandings will be resolved.
[Reporter]
The NEC said it gave instructions for screening, but if there is a problem, the investigative agency can request an investigation, so why did you want to do it that way?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
There have been various checks on whether the election management system is working properly, and it turns out that there are many problems there, and there has been a lot of controversy for too long over whether it is rigged or rigged. However, since it is not resolved properly and problems are continuously being raised, it is checked in the future to prevent such division of public opinion. Aren't elections the system that forms the basis of democracy? So in terms of securing fairness, the president wanted to solve it, and he just wanted to check it as a solution.
[Reporter]
Do you have to be in the military to inspect it?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
When I declared emergency martial law, soldiers went, and I would like to say that there were parts that were lacking within the boundaries of the law and parts that were not actually resolved.
[Reporter]
Regarding the decree, Minister Kim Yong-hyun said that he only wrote the draft and the president reviewed it.
[Yoon Gap-geun / Defense attorney for President Yoon Suk Yeol]
That's the first time I've heard that, and it will be revealed in the next witness questioning.
[Reporter]
Then, if former Minister Kim Yong-hyun comes out as a witness, do you think it will have no effect on facing the president?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
The president is also the president, but Minister Kim Yong-hyun is also a person enough to serve as the defense minister. And from the perspective of the minister, who was deeply involved in martial law, he is evaluated as a person who can speak with confidence no matter how much he or she is in front of the president.
[Reporter]
The president looked very tired and emaciated, do you have any difficulties or health problems in your health or mental aspects?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
From what I hear, I don't know that there is an unusual health problem, but anyway, there are a lot of conflicts and difficulties in mind because of a lot of changes in the environment and various difficulties you are experiencing as a president. I think that's a given.
[Reporter]
Has it been concluded that all President Yoon will attend in person by the 8th pleading date?
[Yoon Gap-geun [Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
Right now, as of now, you will attend if possible, and if there are no special variables, you will probably attend.
[Reporter]
You said there was no arrest order, but was there an order for the arrest of CEO Lee Jae-myung?
[Yoon Gap-geun/President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer] There was no ∀.
[Reporter]
Has the president of the emergency legislative body not reviewed it at all?
[Yoon Gap-geun/President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
There's no one.
[Reporter]
Can you tell me what happened at the detention center yesterday because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went in? Yesterday, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went to the detention center. Can you also explain the situation at that time? You said you'd tell me when you came out.
[Yoon Gap-geun/President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
The situation in the detention center came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit during the interview with the lawyer, and the detention center was executed with an arrest warrant. Then the detention center is Seoul Detention Center, and all authority is held by the detention center. So, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot have the authority to come there carelessly and do inches. I understand that it was not properly executed in the process.
[Reporter]
Are you not going to respond to the investigation in the future?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
In the future, I will think about the method of the investigation process, but I think it is difficult to proceed in the current state.
[Reporter]
Is it possible that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will not be able to transfer the case to the prosecution?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
If it is sent to the prosecution, if it is transferred, I will see the situation again and tell you.
[Reporter]
Then, are you saying that you may not respond?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
What are you not responding to?
[Reporter]
If the case is transferred to the prosecution...
[Yoon Gap-geun / Defense attorney for President Yoon Suk Yeol]
No, I said I'd talk about it after seeing the situation then.
[Reporter]
He also said that he would go to the Central District Prosecutors' Office and file a new claim with the Central District Court.
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
I haven't reviewed it yet.
[Reporter]
Has the president ever instructed the security to delete the call history on the non-Phone?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
That's the first time I've heard of it. It's not true, it's my first time hearing that.
[Reporter]
Are you considering arresting him?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
We haven't reviewed it in detail yet. Are you interrogating me now? I told you that it was all done within the boundaries of the law.
[Reporter]
There was a ban on correspondence. Can that be considered common?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
I don't think that should really happen. The prohibition of correspondence and things like that have been announced as concerns about the destruction of evidence, and that is actually the case, which is not the case, and even though the president is suspended, he is a sitting president. I think it's really an anti-humanitarian act to ban correspondence without any corroborating evidence that there is a risk of destroying evidence.
[Reporter]
But before, you said you would comply with the prosecution's investigation, but is there a reason why you suddenly show reservations?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
I've never said that before. I've never taken a reserved attitude now, and the investigation situation is changing so rapidly that I'll go and tell you my judgment at that time.
[Reporter]
You said you would not attend the Constitutional Court if the conditions for the sedition of the rebellion were not lifted, is there a reason why you are attending from today?
[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyer]
I remember that I never said that.
[Anchor]
You came after hearing the remarks of Yoon Gap-geun, the president's lawyer. There were various stories. There has been so much controversy over fraudulent elections for so long. In order to secure fairness, the president wanted to solve it. The screen I'm showing you now shows a convoy with President Yoon on board moving. There were several comments made by lawyer Yoon Gap-geun. Amid the current investigation situation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit cannot even visit Kim Gun-hee and exchange letters. So, I didn't specify Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, but I banned her from corresponding with anyone, including her family. I expressed a strong dissatisfaction with this part, how did you see it?
[Woo Sangho]
I don't think it's a matter for third parties to talk about because such an action by the investigative agency was taken for investigation. However, the president's near-total denial of his charges now seems to have taken measures against him because it is the biggest consideration for me, especially in the case of his wife.
However, some of the troops were withdrawn from the president's remarks earlier, and the National Assembly actually decided to lift martial law, so it's not my fault. That's what I'm saying, but in my view, the acts of trying to attract lawmakers and preventing the lifting of the emergency martial law have clearly been confirmed by multiple officials, but that's a failure. So it's a failure, but he's talking as if he's trying to prove the charges against him as if he intended to fail.
So I think that's really a representative sophistry. I tried, but I failed because the soldiers didn't fulfill the order properly. But it doesn't seem like the president of a country should say that to make it seem as if he intended it not to be done properly, and he is now denying everything his ministers have said.
Multiple officials say that they received direct calls from the president and were instructed to bring down lawmakers, but they have never given such orders, which will be contrasted in the upcoming witness questioning.I feel like Ma has become quite unreliable with the president's remarks.
[Anchor]
So, when lawyer Yoon Gap-geun entered, there was no answer, but he came out and gave a fairly long answer. Looking at this, the trial is going smoothly overall, but there is a regret about fairness and neutrality. And if we look at the timeline of today's trial, the third hearing began at 2 o'clock in earnest, and the trial ended about an hour and 40 minutes later.
And another hour after that, President Yoon Suk Yeol's security vehicle went out, and right after that, there was a briefing from lawyer Yoon Gap-geun. What can we say about it in an hour?
[Kim Sung-tae]
Wasn't today the third day of the Constitutional Court's hearing? Here, the question intended by the judges of the Constitutional Court and the answer of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. This part. In particular, the key content was a note delivered to Choi Sang-mok, then deputy prime minister for economy. Did you try to dissolve the National Assembly and substantially replace the emergency legislative body? I think the judges of the Constitutional Court probably focused on that.
The second fact is that the NEC and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol then actively exercised their right to defend themselves, but the president had a responsibility to thoroughly verify and manage allegations of fraudulent elections to ensure fairness in elections. From that responsibility, I wanted to reveal the actual facts of the fraudulent election. That's what it was about.
That's why the president's defense rights, which declared emergency martial law to the Central Election Commission and sought to secure legitimacy and legitimacy for the part of the military, were active. All evaluations and judgments on this will be made by the judges of the Constitutional Court in the future, and through the fourth hearing on the 23rd, if former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun and President Yoon Suk Yeol attend the Constitutional Court on that day, this can be done between the judges or the lawyers for the National Assembly's impeachment. Then we can grasp the more substantive truth in the Constitutional Court. I think we should keep an eye out for such a part in the future.
[Anchor]
The 3rd hearing date, which the president attended in person, was pointed out with the two. So far, we have talked with Kim Sung-tae, the former floor leader of the People's Power, and Woo Sang-ho, the former floor leader of the Democratic Party. Thank you both.
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