Prosecutors search and seizure of the headquarters of the People's Power...Will Myung Tae-kyun's 'arrest pride' be released?

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Kim Hyung-joo, Special Professor at Semyung University, Shin Ji-ho, Vice President of Strategic Planning for People's Power,

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[Anchor]
a political commentary with a lively angle It's starting to be sharp. Today, we have Shin Ji-ho, the Vice President of the Strategic Planning Department of the People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, a special professor at Semyung University. Welcome. Let's check out today's first keyword. Please show us. Today, the prosecution is conducting a search and seizure at the People's Power Headquarters. He went to the People's Power Headquarters in connection with the seizure search, that is, the suspicion of intervening in the nomination of Myung Tae-kyun. Our Planning and Coordination Bureau?

[Shin Jiho]
That's what I heard. Because the Planning and Coordination Bureau is in charge of nomination-related affairs during the election. So, I think we need to investigate the parliamentary by-election held at the same time as the local election on June 1, 2022, Changwon's window, and the process of candidate Kim Young-sun being nominated at the time. And in April, I was cut off and I couldn't get a nomination.Ma is currently investigating at the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office, isn't he? It's a search and seizure to secure relevant data about it, and from what I heard at first, there are no lawyers yet, so they don't give notice in advance. That's why it's going smoothly now since the lawyer joined.

[Anchor]
The prosecution is currently conducting a search and seizure in relation to the by-elections at the time of 2022. It is said that the data is expected to be a party audit data or nomination data, but isn't it quite sensitive from the perspective of the people's power? What do you think?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's right. In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea in the past, in the case of confrontation after coming to the institute, historically, many party members, aides, and the party have returned due to opposition despite the fact that they brought them, but surprisingly, the party said that the search and seizure would be carried out smoothly, which was completely unexpected. The picture I originally expected would be a situation where I couldn't come and search, but the fact that I am currently being raided means that I will fully cooperate. The problem is that the prosecution investigates this, which is not just a matter of documents, and there is no problem with documents, but even if you have documents about how they changed anyway, the responsibility of proving it, and the prosecution doesn't seem quite simple.

[Anchor]
The scope of the investigation may be expanded further in the future because there are many different branches of investigation into the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun, and the party is quite sensitive to take materials related to nominations, but we cooperate so smoothly. Is this confidence that we have no problem even if we take this?

[Shin Jiho]
In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea, in the past, when the company was raided and searched, it was not allowed to barricade itself, and why is the prosecution intervening so recklessly in the realm of the political party? It's a political party oppression. It's an old-fashioned way of responding. Aren't there various public suspicions about Myung Tae-kyun right now? There are many issues that need to be identified, starting with the suspicious money transaction with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. Then, if it's a responsible party, who would feel good if our party was raided? And in case of any chance, the prosecution may not take what is essential as a pin point during the search and seizure process. If you join, you will block unnecessary things. Then, our party's sensitive information could be transferred to the prosecution. However, as a responsible party, I think the basic principle is to cooperate with the investigation authorities.

[Anchor]
In any case, the basic principle of the people's power is that they will cooperate with the prosecution's investigation, but we are now conducting a search and seizure. In the case of Myung Tae-kyun, he is currently under arrest, but there is an arrest suit today. It's a request to relieve knee pain and relieve it, but the prosecution's most important evidence is the so-called golden phone. He said he was looking for a golden phone with a recording of the phone call with President Yoon.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's right. There have been various stories about that, such as burying it in your father's oxygen, dropping it on Machang Bridge, and taking it back through your relatives, so it needs to be investigated. In that regard, to some extent, this part is not something that can be said to be intimidating right away, and if the prosecution makes an avidance and verifies that it is almost meaningless to have it through other efforts, wouldn't it be possible to get the golden phone back then? But these days, just having a phone doesn't solve the problem, right? Whether you actually open a password to unlock it or not, you have to go all the way to it, but there are so many parts that go beyond the current Masan-level category that it seems difficult for the prosecution to tell which line to press that part to.

[Anchor]
Some people are suspicious of whether the prosecution can't find that golden phone or not, but some argued that Myung Tae-kyun was trying to make a deal with Yongsan before his arrest, even though I don't know what kind of stance he is now.

[Shin Ji-ho]
Right. So, your goal is your own safety, right? It's your own safety, but you're in custody now, so you have to be quite uncomfortable. I think that's what Myung Taekyun would think. In a way, I helped him like that during the presidential election without receiving a proper price, but it was an iron furrow that eventually came back to me. There must be a lot of oppression in your heart, and if so, wouldn't you be very tempted to give up something that could hurt the president and his wife? I think I'm in a very emotional state right now. But just because Myung Tae-kyun said it, it's not all true. So, Myung Tae-kyun also releases edited information in his favor, so the prosecution should clearly sort out the truth through such an investigation.

[Anchor]
One of the key suspicions that Myung Tae-kyun is facing is that he received money and made a public opinion poll deal with politicians. These suspicions continue to rise. In the midst of the suspicion, the name of Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon continues to be mentioned. Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon expressed his position in front of reporters. Let's hear what it's about.

This is the core of the allegations that have arisen now. Mayor Oh Se-hoon asked Myung Tae-kyun to conduct a poll, and a businessman sponsoring Mayor Oh Se-hoon gave him tens of millions of won in return. This suspicion arose. As Mayor Oh Se-hoon heard, he was enraged. Why did I need such a poll, it means I never asked for it.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
There would have been no reason to request a poll. To put it more strictly, what Myung Tae-kyun has been doing so far is that he is a political engineer who can manipulate public opinion through the results of these polls when candidates such as Oh Se-hoon and Na Kyung-won appear in local elections. That's why I'm giving you money. There must be several polling institutions and some that they actually know. Why do you need Myung Tae-kyun and why do you have to pay him? Mayor Oh may not know that. But anyway, the political team can review those things in the process of becoming a candidate. This person is a promotional technician, because that's how you can see it. I think that's probably how Myung Tae-kyun approached Lee Joon-seok. In addition, lawmakers in Gyeongsangnam-do and Myung Tae-kyun's work in the district office election were considered to be that, and even when he was a candidate for Yoon Suk Yeol, he did a viral in a preliminary survey. I believe that there must have been someone who wanted to spend extra money because they had been doing that kind of work, but as Mayor Oh said, he never tried to meet Myung Tae-kyun or ordered anything to do such a thing by his own will. In that sense, I think you're asking me to distinguish you.

[Anchor]
Usually, when politicians talk about Myung Tae-kyun, they usually answer these questions, "I've heard the name, but I don't know," and in the case of Mayor Oh Se-hoon, they met twice. And I'm a person who doesn't have good feelings with me. He drew a line like this.

[Shin Jiho]
Since there are suspicions, it is difficult for us sitting here to judge the authenticity of Mayor Oh's remarks. Because we haven't experienced it together in person. So anyway, it was confirmed that Kim, one of the sponsors of Oh Se-hoon, sent about 33 million won to Myung Tae-kyun, and didn't you admit it? the nature of the money Then, I think it will be a very important legal issue whether Mayor Oh Se-hoon knew about such things of sponsor Kim and whether he recognized them. I think that will also have to be confirmed through an investigation anyway.

[Anchor]
In any case, this is expected to be included in the scope of the investigation in the future, and Mayor Oh Se-hoon would be preparing for the presidential election in his heart, but wouldn't he be held back if he doesn't shake off the controversy this time?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
In that sense, he's offensively and accurately. Then let's make a knot for sure who we gave it to. I think I have no choice but to say strongly that I am proud of myself. And actually, there was something that was said just now.Ma said why he was a sponsor, and before that, he naturally acted as his sponsor during free school meals. Why did you become so active in helping Mayor Oh Se-hoon when you said you came to know him naturally and were grateful? In fact, I think we should go into the scope of the investigation into whether it is related to Mayor Oh or not.

[Anchor]
Anyway, Myung Tae-kyun's controversy has led to the seizure and search of the People's Power Party. If you look inside the People's Power Party, it is quite noisy due to the controversy over the party's bulletin board and the offensive against the party leader is intensifying. At this point, former Chairman Kim Jong-in said this. Please show us the next keyword. There is a movement of the party to oust Han Dong-hoon, and the power of the people will face difficulties at this time. Former Chairman Kim Jong-in said this. Let's hear what they're talking about. Can you prepare the recording? Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the committee, said this. Let's listen to it.

Park Chan-dae, floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, also talked about the Kim Ok-kyun project, but former chairman Kim Jong-in also seems to be thinking that the Lee Joon-seok incident will happen again due to the ouster of the party leader.

[Shin Jiho]
First of all, I would like to say that I am so ashamed and sorry that our party caused a stir and raised public eyebrows with such a trivial subject in such an important situation. I completely agree with Chairman Kim Jong-in's words and the words of the National Assembly. Now, in the first trial of the Public Official Election Act on the 15th, Lee Jae-myung's political life is six months old, so it seems that some people misunderstand that kind of curiosity. Now Lee Jae-myung is over, and now our world can come if we bring down Han Dong-hoon, the next hateful person. With such absurd hope, the party's bulletin board continues to grow and spread into vulgar words, and if someone does it, that person does it and does it in a relay manner. I don't know for whom it's such a fuss. It's Hae-ri-dong. Self-harm disturbance.

[Anchor]
Isn't Vice-President Shin Ji-ho the second controversy over reading and chewing? You argued that this would be re-enacted during the party leadership election, but in what context did you see it like that?

[Shin Jiho]
The pattern was similar at the national convention at that time. In the end, Han Dong-hoon is a person who has a lot of political and moral problems. So, this is impossible for such a person to become the leader of the party. To emphasize that, the method of editing facts that are not accurate so that they can intentionally work on them, spreading them here and there, and continuing to instigate distortion as if they were facts is really exactly the same. And for us to grasp it ourselves, it is consistent with the forces that caused the controversy over reading and skipping at the time or the forces that are making noise about the issue of this party bulletin board now.

[Anchor]
In the case of former chairman Kim Jong-in, some even see himself as a kingmaker, but Han Dong-hoon is now a hope for conservatism, he even said in the media. What kind of background do you see?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Well, in a way, he is the only young man born after the 1970s who has fandom in the ruling party and is actually ahead of the next generation as one generation comes to an end. A leader with a new pattern of fandom while sensing changes in the times seems to be not Lee Joon-seok at present, and it is hard to find anyone else in reality. So, isn't it mid-expandability that such fandom has? In that respect, it is a precious treasure. It can't be said to be the only treasure, but if you deny the only visible and precious value, the people's power will fluctuate, which means that no one in the pro-Yoon can be seen as the king of the next presidential election. Anyway, President Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating or the ruling party does not get a very good score from the people, but the Democratic Party of Korea, where Chairman Lee Jae-myung is, is also the same. Of course, the Democratic Party of Korea's current approval rating is slightly higher than that of the people. That's a different matter at that time, so if you kick out Han Dong-hoon like that, like kicking out Lee Joon-seok, it means that it will be further reduced, more conservative, and more rigid, so I understand that whoever becomes in the next presidential election is far from expandability and electability.

[Anchor]
If you listen to Chin-yoon's position, Rep. Chin-yoon Kang Myung-gu said this. We're not killing Han Dong-hoon, we're saving Han Dong-hoon. That's what I said. Let's listen to it.

So did your family write it or not? Hurry up and shake it off and go. That's why I gave you an opportunity to show leadership.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
In a way, Congressman Kang has a point. I'll find out at first, I asked my family and they didn't do it. Or, I'm sorry, but in fact, who did it without me knowing, shouldn't you have said this? I think it's true that I missed that timing when I was able to suppress it quickly. As it got longer, he came as a rockie because it was not an important agenda because it was not an important issue, but it is true that representative Han Dong-hoon's problem was still burdened by the prolonged period. However, the problem is that it is too much to say that it is to save Han Dong-hoon, as Representative Kang said. I think it's intentional and planned to come into a bulletin board that no one looks at and pick it up like a tweezers. In that sense, you're doing that to save Han Dong-hoon? It's too much to say that, I think so.

[Anchor]
I gave him an opportunity to save his leadership.

[Shin Jiho]
Well, there are as many as 1,000, as many as 3,000 posts a day on our party's bulletin board. I checked it out. However, I calculated how many posts were posted a day by Han Dong-hoon, five members of Han Dong-hoon's family, and six people, including Han Dong-hoon. I think there will be a lot, right? 2. It's 39 cases. Then with this, they're raising such suspicions as the second Druking, what kind of manipulation of public opinion, right? So when I post less than 3 articles a day, I become Druking and manipulate public opinion. So the passing dog will laugh, the cow will laugh, and the horse will all laugh. That's why I said that.

[Anchor]
In any case, the pro-Yoon side seems to be increasing the controversy over the party's bulletin board, but it is former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan who is focusing his firepower outside the party. Former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan went on the offensive again, mentioning the initial J. Let's hear what they talked about.

Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan pointed out that Joo Jin-woo, chairman of the legal committee, is taking too much side because he has become a so-called close lawmaker, but to summarize, Joo Jin-woo decided to file a complaint against the YouTuber because the controversy over the bulletin board has nothing to do with Han Dong-hoon's family. Is former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan reviewing the accusation? How do you do that?

[Shin Ji-ho]
I will review the accusation, it seems like this. But as you know, Jang Ye-chan is not from our party right now. However, the media kept confusing me and classified me like a pro-Yoon-gye figure in the party, but he was the one who kicked out because he didn't like this party. Then, as such a person, it's okay if you just stop paying attention to the party, but I'm constantly focusing on hitting Han Dong-hoon like a stalker. What's wrong with Jang Ye-chan? It's not that I don't understand. Because Yoon-Hangal-Lung, there's his political position. So if the Yoonhan relationship improves, people like Jang Ye-chan lose their position. In the end, in order for him to return to the party and measure his political activities, he has no choice but to think that the Han Dong-hoon system must collapse to open a space for him to work. I think it can be, but social public confidence and the credibility of his remarks are significantly low.

[Anchor]
Former Chairman Kim Jong-in is also saying that he seems to be trying to oust the party leader like Lee Joon-seok, but if this is really right, does it mean that there is an alternative after Han Dong-hoon leaves from the pro-Yoon side? What kind of plan is it?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Well, before I say that, what I'm frustrated about is that in order for the presidential office and the pro-Yoon-gye not to be misunderstood, Jang Ye-chan should not continue talking about this. And officially it's not appropriate, someone who's out of the party. The presidential office seems to be protecting the person who defected from the party, to anyone's eyes. I think the first thing to do is to block it because it is intended to be the president's office or pro-Yoon-gye to destroy the people's power and destroy the party by using people outside the party, causing a disturbance and driving out Han Dong-hoon. In any case, the current structure is the last manifestation of Yeongnam's vested interests, which could be the pro-Yoon-gye. However, President Yoon will not be the center as time goes by. The existing vested interests and President Yoon's aides are bound to be separated, I think so.

[Anchor]
Anyway, it was an emotional fight, and the emotional conflict arose in the name of Han Dong-hoon's family, but when Vice-President Shin Ji-ho interviewed the media today, Kim Gun-hee's relatives also refuted the criticism, saying, "Didn't he criticize Han Dong-hoon in a very acrimonious expression?"

[Shin Jiho]
That's why I'm Kim Gun-hee's real aunt. He is Kim Hye-seok, and he says he is a pastor and he is doing pastoral activities, but looking at his social media and stuff, I think it's right to do pastoral activities. If you look at Facebook posts to the extent that you wonder if he is a priest, how can a pastor write such a curse against others, that is, on November 5th, a YouTuber first posted it on suspicion that such a post was posted in the name of Han Dong-hoon and his family, and it began to be known to the world. On the day of that, he links it to his Facebook page and concludes that it is true, not an allegation. Han Dong-hoon and Han Dong-hoon's family are right, and the family should be struck by lightning.

[Anchor]
Does that expression come into your mind?

[Shin Jiho]
It's not my expression, it's my aunt Kim Gun-hee's expression. That's too much. It's not the first time I knew about it. I know. I know, but if you keep raising problems with that, you can't do this. Now, with CEO Lee Jae-myung like that, a very important opportunity came to our party, but it's not the time to keep wasting time with such family quarrels. We knew but didn't raise the issue. But the people who raised the issue over there went too far. That's why I brought this up as a warning. As a warning.

[Anchor]
What you revealed today was that you said to the effect that let's not turn arrows at each other with family slander or free writing. For the last question, I'll briefly check the last keyword and ask you two questions. Please show us. Stop the abuse of impeachment. The prosecution also made an official stance on the Democratic Party's move to impeach the prosecutor. So, how did you see the prosecutors who decided not to charge Mrs. Kim Gun-hee at Deutsche Motors as the Democratic Party of Korea has begun to move to impeach her?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Well, in the meantime, I've been doing these things and going beyond impeachment to cut the budget for the prosecution and the Ministry of Justice, and I think these things are a little too much for the public's level. For example, in the power of the people now, for example, the impeachment is filed against Judge Kim Jong-hoon, who acquitted him in the perjury teacher case. In any case, it seems that the intention is to remove those who are against them, and if so, the legislature is not free from criticism that it is a prayer that completely ignores the authority of the judiciary and submits the legislature to the judiciary, so I think it is necessary to reconsider that part from now on after the recent acquittal of perjury teachers. So, in general, every little bit of the Democratic Party of Korea has shown the lightness of proposing the impeachment bill and the independent counsel bill itself, such as Kim Gun-hee, so citizens cannot participate in the Democratic Party's rallies. I certainly think that the Democratic Party needs to be aware of these things as well.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea will take out the prosecutor's impeachment card because the people's power does not even help the independent counsel, so I think it's a move like this, so please tell us how you felt.

[Shin Jiho]
If you do that wrong, the Democratic Party of Korea, that's the Central District Prosecutors' Office, and there are lawmakers who are being investigated by the Central District Prosecutors' Office. As far as I know, the prosecution office seems to be in charge of Song Young-gil's money bag case, but the prosecutor is also a human being. You keep stimulating me like that. I think such investigated lawmakers will become anxious.

[Anchor]
I will understand that not only the independence of the judiciary should be important, but also the independence of the prosecution should be important. So far, it has been Shin Ji-ho, Vice President of the Strategic Planning Department of People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, two special professors at Semyung University. Thank you.