Park Sung-min, "Han Dong-hoon's counterattack card, 'Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act'."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 27, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talks: Jang Ye-chan, former member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power, Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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Jang Ye-chan
- Kim Jong-in is disappointed and disappointed by the 尹, so good score for half-yoon centrality
- People's power, internal conflicts get worse, no departure votes are coming out
- 'Kim Gun-hee's Special Prosecutor Act' As the number of departure votes increases, 'Han Dong-hoon's theory of responsibility grows

Park Sungmin
- Hope is Han Dong-hoon? I don't know if it's a compliment.What I said because there was no presidential candidate in the 與
- Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act, one of the remaining counterattack cards for Han Dong-hoon
- Han Dong-hoon, should we take the representative position to prevent the departure vote? Question

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head competition part 2 begins. Following the first part, Yeouido Youth Politics will continue. Now, two members of the Supreme Council, Jang Ye-chan, a former member of the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea, are here to talk. No, but in the first part, we talked about the party's bulletin board, but it's connected. It's connected, but the only thing that Kim Jong-in, the former chairman of the emergency committee, said was the hope of the people's strength is Han Dong-hoon. What do you think it is when you said that?

■ Jang Ye-chan: I respect Chairman Kim Jong-in's personal political evaluation itself. However, the controversy over the party's bulletin board, which has recently emerged by individuals, requires a little understanding of the online community. So, the explanation from CEO Han Dong-hoon is blocked by my fact-checking because most of them haven't been to online communities in their 60s or older, so I don't know what the problem is about manipulating public opinion and using multiple IDs on the bulletin board. So, I respect Chairman Kim Jong-in very much, but I think the party's bulletin board incident was just as bad as Chairman Kim Jong-in thinks. If someone explains that it is not this level, I think they will take it a little differently. And Chairman Kim Jong-in must have felt a lot of disappointment and disappointment in the process of dissolving the election committee with President Yoon Suk Yeol at that time. Therefore, I think there is also a background that gives good marks to representative Han Dong-hoon, who is acting as a focal point of anti-Yoon forces in a way that is opposed to President Yoon Suk Yeol within the ruling party.

◇ Park Sung-min: But you said that you are a person who can have hope, but I wonder if the person who can have hope is a compliment. And personally, I think there are a few people who are mentioned in this passport when they say they are seeking presidential power. But I think it's because those cards are being compromised one by one. For example, there is a representative like Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon, and what has happened recently is that Kim, a long-time supporter and close aide of Mayor Oh Se-hoon, is

◆ Shin Yul: He's not a close friend, he's an acquaintance.

◇ Park Sung-min: But anyway, since it's a relationship that's been sponsored for a long time, I think it's close now. But it was caught that he paid for the poll for Myung Tae-kyun. But I heard that it was about 33 million won, but the mayor Oh Se-hoon refuted that it was never requested by the camp, but I can't understand it. Then, it naturally makes you think that a person who runs the company would have done so if there was no connection with Mayor Oh Se-hoon that he had to entrust poll to Myung Tae-kyun to pay for it. That's why if this goes wrong, this gate could affect Oh Se-hoon's market. There are interpretations like this. As a result, if Mayor Oh Se-hoon is caught in a political fund law issue or something like this, it may be a little red light to go to the presidential election. Because if you look at it now, it doesn't seem that the issues related to Myung Tae-kyun will end easily. And the list has been circulating enough to be called a list inside the ruling party, and Myung Tae-kyun has said that he has had a lot of relationships with ruling party politicians, so as the prosecution's investigation progresses, various entities will be revealed. There are probably a few people who get hurt along the way. So, if you look at CEO Han Dong-hoon, you can see that he's not related to Myung Tae-kyun at all. As a result, CEO Han Dong-hoon is also aiming at the gate of Myung Tae-kyun while actually aiming at the problems of certain polls by creating things like the election manipulation TF. When I see this, I think it's possible to talk about this because there are not many people who can be free from the wavelengths of Myung Tae-kyun.

◆ Shin Yul: But I made it clear about Mayor Oh Se-hoon's position, but Mayor Oh Se-hoon had a very abusive fight with an official at the camp when a person named Myung Tae-kyun came to the camp. The second is that they claim that they did the poll, but our camp has never received it and does not know it. Third, I had no idea that the sponsor did so. Therefore, there is no relationship with Myung Tae-kyun. There is no relationship at all. I'm telling you that this is Mayor Oh Se-hoon's position.

■ Jang Ye-chan also objectively sympathizes with Mayor Oh Se-hoon's explanation because I have no public connection with Mayor Oh Se-hoon, but if this is a politician like Mayor Oh Se-hoon, there are many support groups or close aides around him. You may have been mistaken for people like Myung Tae-kyun to help you out voluntarily. But the important thing is whether it was reported to Mayor Oh Se-hoon and recognized. As we talked about Chairman Kim Jong-in earlier, Chairman Kim Jong-in also said in a recent media interview that a closed poll female secretary said Myung Tae-kyun had done it, but he said he had not seen it. Then, in a way, Mayor Oh Se-hoon's explanation is the same as Chairman Kim Jong-in.

◆ But I didn't even put anything else on it

■ Jang Ye-chan: Of course. In a way, it's freer than Chairman Kim Jong-in. Mayor Oh Se-hoon said, "In that sense, some of the voluntary support groups and aides were wrongly caught by a person named Myung Tae-kyun. If I start to hold him accountable with that, I think it is still too early to put Mayor Oh Se-hoon on the list unless the point of contact between Myung Tae-kyun and Mayor Oh Se-hoon is revealed.

◇ Park Sung-min: Personally, 33 million won is not a small amount of money, and the fact that a person who is not a political figure has to pay for it to Myung Tae-kyun means that the non-public opinion poll, which was conducted after paying for the poll, was conducted around the time of unification between Ahn Cheol Soo and Oh Se-hoon, so I would like to say that not only me but also many people have a connection to paying for it. If I tell you earlier, I think I need to tell you the exact name of the TF that Han Dong-hoon launched. So, I'll improve the public opinion poll or manipulation of public opinion. Since it is a TF made for this purpose, we talked briefly about it earlier, but I will add that CEO Han Dong-hoon is trying to overcome the pressure of controversy over a party member bulletin board on him in the direction of aiming at those involved in the TF and related suspects related to Myung Tae-kyun.

◆ Shin Yul: And now, President Yoon has now vetoed the Kim Gun-hee Special Counsel Act. Yesterday, lawmaker Ahn Cheol Soo said this when we had an interview. I think I need an independent counsel on Kim, but the independent counsel claimed by the Democratic Party cannot do that. I can't accept that. Representative Ahn Cheol Soo said that in our interview yesterday, and I want to ask the Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan, is it originally tomorrow in the Democratic Party of Korea? But the vote was over to December 10th. I think it's a bit of a restless atmosphere on this side. What do you think?

■ Jang Ye-chan: The Democratic Party is using that trick. If the independent counsel law itself is justifiable, it should be decided at the plenary session on the 28th as scheduled, not by expedient while adjusting the date. It seems to be aiming for an internal division of the power of the people. However, I expect that the stronger the conflict of people's power, the more I will try to prevent representative Han Dong-hoon or his close circle from showing a departure vote. Because in this situation, if the number of departure votes increases or an accident occurs, CEO Han Dong-hoon should take full responsibility. Not long ago, Chief of Staff Chung Jin-seok came to Yeouido for a luncheon with lawmakers, and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho also cracked down on votes, but I think the person who needs to crack down on votes more than anyone else is representative Han Dong-hoon if he knows a little bit about politics. If more votes are cast in my vote than last time or the number of leave votes increases, all citizens and internal politicians will have to believe that this is an order of representative Han Dong-hoon, whether it is true or not. Then, I don't think there's much structural room for the departure vote to increase even if they say they delayed the time because they will go to Han because the conservative camp has a strong resistance to the special prosecution.

◆ Sin Yul: How do you watch it?

◇ Park Sung-min: But I don't have a few cards left for representative Han Dong-hoon to fight back, so if you press Han Dong-hoon harder, the more you press him, the more the pro-Yoon-gye unites, the more the close relationship unites. So, it's clumped together on one side, but can't it be scattered just because you're close? They should also look for an opportunity to fight back. But there are only two of these, and from Han's point of view, one is aiming directly at the gate control of Lee Myung-tae-kyun, and the other is passing the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee. Because what has CEO Han Dong-hoon consistently emphasized? It's change and reform. However, the president is now saying that he will exercise his veto power and that his approval rating has rebounded slightly, but in fact, the approval rating is also very low. And the people are still full of dissatisfaction and anger against this government. And from the Democratic Party of Korea's point of view, it will be more confident and strengthened in this rental offensive, but the leadership that representative Han Dong-hoon can demonstrate in this situation is a head-on breakthrough. So what do you think of close lawmakers? I should organize a leave vote. You can think about it. Of course, I think that doing so as you said could shake Han's position, but Han said that there are only a few cards to choose from, and that he would recommend a third party to the Coporal Chae's special prosecution law. Did you do that? I didn't do it. Since I didn't do it, the Democratic Party of Korea is now saying let's do a parliamentary investigation. So, from Han's point of view, something has to be tied and something has to pay off, but if the changes and innovations he said were not just a fraud to the people flying into the air, I should have something to show. In that sense, I don't think the ruling camp should be too confident that there will be no departure votes in the Special Prosecutor's Act on Mrs. Kim.

◆ Shin Yul: But anyway, from the perspective of the passport, if I'm a passport, if I'm a passport person, I actually look at this a little differently. I don't see it as a factional conflict, so how the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act will be handled, and I actually look at the political interest, political life, and this. So I think there won't be many votes to leave because I think that if the current administration is shaken more, there will be nothing good for their political lives.

■ Jang Ye-chan: That's right. And today, the Democratic Party of Korea talked about Special Prosecutor Han Dong-hoon. So what I want to say is will this special prosecutor end here? After any kind of special prosecutor passes, the next special prosecutor will come. And after the special prosecution, the special prosecution continued and eventually went to impeachment or early presidential election, and Lee Jae-myung was sentenced to one year in prison in the first trial under the Public Official Election Act, right? Since the goal of shortening the term of President Yoon Suk Yeol is clear before this is confirmed, the logic cannot be established that the special prosecutor will be accepted and that special prosecutor will not be accepted. So, I think there are conflicts and divisions within the party, but the consensus that the special prosecution is in a situation of extinction where everyone dies has spread stronger in the party than in the second re-decision. So, it is unlikely that a meaningful departure vote of more than four votes will come out here, and although floor leader Choo Kyung-ho denied that there has been any official discussion today, the idea of just voting together is probably a way to prevent some departure votes, but there may also be such a change in the voting method. I think we will discuss various measures at the general meeting of the lawmakers.

◇ Park Sung-min: From Han Dong-hoon's point of view,

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, go ahead. I'm going to ask you something else.
◇ Park Sung-min: If we end it after this, you've talked about this, too. If representative Han is considered to have failed to crack down on votes here and suddenly goes home just because the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act passes, if you think about it the other way around, if representative Han Dong-hoon defended well this time and prevented Kim Gun-hee from leaving the Special Prosecutor Act. Even if we do that, I think this is also a question mark whether we can continue to take the position of the party leader. The controversy over the party's bulletin board has already grown like this, and the war of words with former Supreme Council member Kim Min seems to be a signal, but Han Dong-hoon's representative Tosa Gupin operation has already begun. Therefore, Han may have to choose the card of the last counterattack. In that sense, you might think that you should set up your leadership well by cracking down on votes, but you might think that you will show something here because you don't have many cards left to attack.

◆ Shin Yul: No, what am I going to ask you? The Democratic Party. I think I want to ask the Constitutional Court about the unconstitutionality of the Public Official Election Act. But I think it's a part that makes you think about a lot of things. How do you see it?

■ Jang Ye-chan: But this is unlikely to be unconstitutional. The Democratic Party of Korea wants it because of the expectation that the second trial of representative Lee Jae-myung will not be suspended during the trial for unconstitutional claims, but all the legal circles said it was the discretion of the court. So, I heard that there is a way to continue the second trial even for the unconstitutional claim by the Constitutional Court.

◆ Sin Yul: There are two things. That's the case at the court. Then, if you hand it over to the Constitutional Court, it stops then. But you reject this. Then the Democratic Party of Korea said, "Oh, then we'll take it to the Constitutional Court." If this happens, it goes to trial.

■ Jang Ye-chan: In my opinion, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae specifically ordered the Public Official Election Act to follow the principle of 633 for the first, sixth, second, and third trials, so I don't think the trial will stop just because the Constitutional Court's power dispute or claim goes. And it's unlikely to be ruled unconstitutional. In the end, it's taking the energy out of the performance. And in a way, the first trial of perjury, which many people expected to be guilty of, resulted in an unexpected result of innocence, so now it's a little embarrassing for the Democratic Party to say that the judiciary is unfair. If so, I think the Democratic Party can take it by watching the results of the second trial quickly and not exercising other political tactics or external pressure such as impeachment.

◇ Park Sung-min: I think I'm thinking about various things, but I said I'll appeal anyway, and as you just said, I was acquitted of this perjury teacher, and even the ruling party is saying that it's an unexpected result, and I've gained a little confidence from the Democratic Party's point of view, so even if I don't go to the trial for a legal unconstitutionality, I think I have enough room to overturn the appeal trial. Because the perjury teacher issue and the Public Official Election Act trial have been discussed, it is not easy because the perjury teacher is a more difficult trial, so it will be very difficult for the perjury teacher to overturn the judgment of the first trial. Rather, it was judged that it was perjury teachers that were more difficult, but the Democratic Party got better results on this. Rather, in the case of the Public Official Election Act, as they have been sharply arguing over facts, they can get any results that the Democratic Party wants at the appeal trial. I don't think that's a possibility at all.

◆ Shin-yul: Actually, the Democratic Party of Korea is making such efforts, but I don't know how the perjury teacher will come out in the second trial and how the violation of the Election Act and the Public Official Election Act will come out in the second trial. In fact, not all trials are over right now, so I think both trials are over.

◇ Park Sung-min: But what I was thinking when I saw the results of the first two trials coming out this time is that the panels predict a lot on the show. I called the ruling party panel and the opposition panel, especially the lawyers, and talked about various sentences, but nothing was right. So if you look at it, we're not talking about the separation of politics and justice for no reason. So, if there was a judgment from the judiciary, and the results of the first trial came out, there seems to be no need to say anything more about it. And in fact, it doesn't seem a little appropriate to get more words about the upcoming appeal. I think that it may not be meaningful in a way.

◆ Shin Yul: And anyway, I think the trial is over when I see things going around these days. But it's still in progress, but I don't know what's going to happen. Another thing is that the issue of former Gyeonggi-do Province lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young was originally scheduled for the 29th, but it was suddenly postponed to the 17th of next month. It was postponed to the 17th or the 19th. How do you see it? All of a sudden?

■ Jang Ye-chan: I don't know exactly why the date has been postponed.

◆ Sin Yul: No one knows that. The court said it couldn't be explained.

■ Jang Ye-chan: But maybe in November, there were two major court sentences related to representative Lee Jae-myung. There were also sentences for Kim Hye-kyung on the 15th and 25th and the 14th. I think it may be the burden of the court for the concentration of political judgments in such a short period of time, and it may be a willingness to make a ruling freely in such a political controversy, but this will also have a significant impact on representative Lee Jae-myung. If former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young is sentenced to a heavy sentence like the first trial, or even if he is partially commuted, if he remains guilty, in a way, the criminal is Lee Hwa-young and the main culprit is Lee Jae-myung, then governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, who is his superior in the command system. Therefore, it can be said that the result of Lee Jae-myung's remittance trial to North Korea is not confirmed. So, I'm a little doubtful that the timing has been delayed, but I can predict that the impact of this ruling on representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk will be quite significant.

◆ Sin Yul: I give you 30 seconds. Will the Democratic Party become stronger in the future? How do you see it? Park Sung-min, former best

◇ Park Sung-min: The struggle within the National Assembly will be stronger than the out-of-court struggle. I think the re-decision of the Special Prosecutor's Office Act by Kim Gun-hee is representative. The reason why we are delaying the timing is that there is a growing public consensus that any public opinion needs to be organized and then this independent counsel law is needed, so we will strengthen the rental fight on our part to draw out the Leave vote within the ruling camp. Look at it like this.

◆ Shin Yul: Do you know why I finished early today? Our producer Park Jihye is... I guess they think I'm a master of reading something. I have to tell you about the disaster broadcast later, but if you watch this, it takes 30 more seconds. That's why I'm finishing it a little early today. Thank you so much for coming out on a snowy day.

◇ Park Sung-min: I hope you drive safely.

◆ Shin Yul: Thank you. Thank you.

■ Jang Ye-chan, ◇ Park Sung-min: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: So far, I have been with two former Supreme Council members, Jang Ye-chan, the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, the former Supreme Council members of the Democratic Party of Korea.