[News UP] Back and forth...Yun's arrest failed and investigation confusion?

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Jae-hee, Anchor Cho Jin-hyuk
■ Starring: Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, Park Sung-min, former member of the Supreme Council of the Democratic Party

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[Anchor]
Let's continue to go into detail about it. We will join Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea's Supreme Council. It seems that it has only created controversy and left a serious problem of trust in the investigative agency, but it is still voicing criticism, right? How did you see it first?

[Kim Gi-heung]
It is believed that the inherent limitations of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which does not have the authority to investigate, came out starkly. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it seems that the politicians are more concerned than by the Constitution and laws. In particular, this expression may be a little excessive, but where is the current command of the investigation? I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit thinks I'm in the Democratic Party. That's why the Democratic Party is talking at various meetings, and even give the police executive power, which is an example of the Democratic Party meeting. So, it is not excessive to say that it is not an investigation guideline, but an investigation at all. So, the problem is that they keep saying it's public opinion, but in fact, they don't have the authority to investigate because they work outside of their authority under the pressure of the Democratic Party, and in the process of issuing a warrant, there was a controversy over the court's problems and the execution process, right?

Therefore, there is inevitably controversy at all stages, starting from the lack of investigation authority as a whole. After all, who is this investigation for? Is this an investigation aimed at properly conducting the president? In order to investigate and investigate, arrest is not the only thing, right? In a way, if you think it's the duty of the investigative agency to make them investigate, I've decided on the answer. They believe that they have lost their way because they continue to ignore the legal process in this situation, and that they are under pressure from both the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
It is pointed out that the Democratic Party of Korea is in charge of the investigation. What do you think?

[Park Sungmin]
I can't agree. I think the expression that the Democratic Party directs the investigation is a political investigation. What can only be pointed out to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is certain that the failure to execute the arrest warrant this time seems to have been more pronounced than the lack of police force or cooperation. In fact, everyone would have expected it. Perhaps if you go in to execute an arrest warrant, there will be a strong backlash from the security service, that you will actually do anything to protect the president in order to exercise your physical power very strongly, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be able to seek cooperation because the warrant has been issued legally and it is a legal execution process of the warrant, I think that's what they judged.

So, considering the size of the police force at the scene, it was possible because more than 2,000 people were deployed. In fact, it could have been enforced if necessary. However, I think there was a part where the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit hesitated a little because of concerns about bloodshed. Since the security office was also in a very strong preparation posture, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit failed to come up with a detailed and detailed strategy, so it is very unfortunate in that sense that the current inability to execute arrest warrants has occurred due to the incompetence of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
Will Director of Public Offenses Oh Dong-woon go to the Judiciary Committee's current questioning today?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I think it'll come out. It's called by the National Assembly, but I think the head of the airborne department has no choice but to deal with it. The Democratic Party of Korea is even talking about impeachment. Why is it only impeachment talking like that in the process of solving a problem for the Democratic Party? But that's how I came all the way here. The impeachment of the president is also out of control in a way as 29 impeachment continues. The authority should be restrained or restrained, but it's kind of a situation where the braking system has been released. That's why it's an investigative agency. It is a process that must be enforced by the Constitution and laws, but in the process, we are talking about impeachment. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the so-called contraction is inevitable, right?

And so far, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has done nothing, so in a way, I think the organization has excessively targeted the president this time as a reason for its existence. So, when the prosecution and police were competing in the investigation, they suddenly talked about banning the president from leaving the country. No departure, where is the president going? You don't do that, do you? In the end, it's a media play, especially when you're requesting a warrant, it's 12 o'clock. We did it at midnight on December 31st, but in the case of a judge, we don't see a warrant from 0 o'clock, right? In the end, we'll see it during work and time, but since we've been doing it for the sake of media play, I don't think we have much to say when we attend the National Assembly today. But what is it that made it like this? So, don't you say that the Democratic Party's behavior during the Moon Jae In administration, which virtually neutralized the investigative agency, resulted in the establishment of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit through the adjustment of the prosecution and police's investigative power and then the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit Act. In making the current sadal, the Democratic Party does not have to pressure the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but especially talking about impeachment now, doesn't it neutralize the state agency? I really want to say that the people are watching in this process.

[Anchor]
It has been concluded that it will be conducted under consultation under the cooperative system.There are also concerns that the investigation will be carried out properly due to such poor cooperation.

[Park Sungmin]
So, as the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit continues to fluctuate, these concerns seem to arise. Because at first, they said they would hand over the police's execution of arrest warrants just yesterday, but they said they would take the investigation rights, and then withdrew the official letter they sent, and eventually, they would do it under a cooperative system under the collaborative version, so I think viewers might have wondered why they are going back and forth. However, anyway, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit should strategically judge well, and the police tried to arrest the chief of security at the scene, preventing him from executing the first arrest warrant. I tried to arrest him, but I blocked this part.

That's why those parts were misjudged. So, in the process of executing the warrant this time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit formally has the command authority anyway, so the command is taken, but on-site control needs to be left to a certain extent to the police with realistic judgment on these areas, such as how to move or who to arrest as a current offender. In that sense, I believe that the intention to cooperate in the cooperative system is in line with the formal aspect of removing illegal elements as much as possible. Furthermore, in reality, what does it take for this warrant to be executed properly? It is necessary to give the police absolute power on the ground. In that sense, it is necessary for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to respect the judgment of the police and give them a lot of authority, rather than preventing the police from trying to arrest them, as in the first arrest warrant last time.

[Anchor]
Since the Agency has requested an extension of the arrest warrant, we are also interested in how the warrant will be executed next time if it is extended. The security agency is also in a very strong position. In this atmosphere, I don't think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police will back down from the second execution, is there any countermeasures from the party?

[Kim Gi-heung]
I'm very concerned because I think there will be a physical conflict. In particular, it means that the police are considering what they can do about the possibility of deploying special forces. I found out about police commandos, and this is an organization, suppression of terrorism cases, search and disposal of explosives related to terrorism cases, prevention and deterrence of terrorism cases, shootings and hostage situations. The president is not a terrorist, is he? So, in the end, if the opposition party puts pressure like this, it has no choice but to create an extreme situation, not only the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit but also the police. Why. Aren't the leaders of the police or the military now in custody? Aren't you charged? Then they'll try to do better. This isn't for the people, or the process of enforcing the law, but it's about getting noticed and overdoing it. If that happens, so does the security guard staff when the collision occurs.

The police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are all public officials. They are the people of the Republic of Korea. Why are you solving this problem like this? What the president says is that he will do a legitimate investigation, right? And in some media, the police, who have the authority to investigate something about rebellion, can investigate it, and the police can apply for a warrant to the prosecution, and the prosecution can ask for a warrant and get it from the court. Then, if you need physical time now, you can do it now. Tomorrow, how will arresting the president and disgracing him like this help him in the truth and investigation? In this regard, the president was chosen through the elections of the people. Then, is it right to suddenly handcuff and arrest him in the way you raise the question about him? I have no choice but to disagree with the people's agreement on this part. In that respect, don't you all know that the reason why the opposition party and the Democratic Party are trying to solve this problem too quickly is because of Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party? In that respect, I don't think it will be easy for the president or the president to protest against this if he kills one breath and follows the procedure and principles.

[Anchor]
In order to prevent the execution of the president's arrest warrant, about 40 ruling party lawmakers gathered in front of the residence yesterday. The party leadership is drawing a line like this, not at the party level, they did it voluntarily. How can I explain this?

[Kim Gi-heung]
So, for the current situation, rather than trying to protect one president, there is a kind of rule of law, and then the Republic of Korea. Because, in the case of the power of the people, it is not in favor of martial law or in favor of martial law. They oppose the extreme method of martial law, but there may be disagreements about whether impeachment, which suspends the president in the way of solving the problem, is right. Why? When the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye happened eight years ago, the president immediately became an early presidential election amid various atmospheres, but isn't there a lot of evaluation on the Moon Jae In administration over the past five years?

There are many problems on the conservative side, so there is a situation where the regime has been changed in five years. Then, in this regard, is it right for the president to accept the illegality in the process of executing illegal and illegal warrants recklessly? Or is it right to do it as a defense? So in the end, there can be no democracy and rule of law with broken due process. So if you say there's a problem, I can't investigate and arrest the problem because I don't have the authority, right? Because it is a part of the Constitution and laws that state agencies do in accordance with the principles, they collectively did something in front of their official residence that they opposed this part.

[Anchor] As you heard
, the logic is that the ruling party was not to protect the president, BTS, but to protect the rule of law of the Republic of Korea. Of course, early presidential elections should be considered, but there is a point that it is a burdensome situation to draw a complete line. What do you think?

[Park Sungmin]
I think members of the People's Power are very mistaken. So, if you show your loyalty to the president, you will have a chance of winning the next election. I don't understand that people who make such personal and political judgments and have the duty to protect the law according to their political interests, one by one, who is a constitutional institution, come forward and go along with that lawless area. In fact, look at what the president is doing now. First of all, why was the arrest warrant requested? This is because I did not respond to the request for attendance three times without justifiable reasons. Are you responding properly to the Constitutional Court's impeachment trial? In fact, there was a delay in the process because I didn't receive documents on that part continuously. And what did the president even say? Recently, I said that a citizen can arrest a police officer who helps execute a warrant. So, in fact, if you look at it now, the president and the president are ignoring the law and destroying the law. However, the ruling party lawmakers are admitting their human shields by saying they will protect the president, even though they are unable to voice their self-reflection and voice their remorse to the president, or that they are receiving taxes from the people. I think it's something to be very embarrassed about.

Aren't lawmakers people who have a role to play better politics in order for the country to do better? Basically, he continues to advocate for President Yoon Suk Yeol, who is now turning the country into a swamp. Moreover, it is not just some deviations, but some members of the People's Power are under group hypnosis to some extent. To that extent, I am not properly aware of the current situation. In that regard, I can't help but point out that this is why people, including the Democratic Party, are criticized a lot.

[Anchor]
I'll also talk about acting chief executive Choi Sang-mok. The Democratic Party of Korea is considering the accusation, but there is no active response to the demand for command of the security agency, right?

[Park Sungmin]
First, the primary responsibility in the execution of arrest warrants is the incompetence of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, as I said earlier. The second thing is, there was definitely concern about this, in case there was a physical conflict between the agencies, regardless of whether they were ruling or opposition. There was a fear of bloodshed, but in view of what measures can be taken to eliminate such risks, Acting President Choi Sang-mok was clearly able to ask for cooperation with the security service. So, the president is supposed to appoint a security chief, but in any case, he can have the authority to dismiss or appoint the security chief now as an acting authority. Because isn't the president suspended right now?

In any case, in the event of a physical conflict between the two agencies, the person with the authority to coordinate and organize this part virtually sat on the sidelines, and as a result, acting Choi Sang-mok is clearly responsible for the failure of the arrest warrant and these parts. I'm pointing out this part. The first thing acting Choi Sang-mok has to do now is stabilize state affairs. How can we organize this at a time when the president is making the state of affairs very confusing? Acting President Choi Sang-mok should organize this arrest warrant so that it can be smoothly executed. Isn't it national stability that an arrest warrant is executed without bloodshed? If so, it is the acting president's role to prevent conflicts between the two agencies, rather than just sitting still or accepting the request from the presidential office and putting more police in to protect the president.

[Anchor]
Even if the acting president actively exercises command over the security agency, it is another matter of whether the security agency will follow this, but according to the current atmosphere of the security agency, there is a high possibility that it will not follow.

[Kim Gi-heung]
First of all, we should follow the law when it is clearly organized. But isn't the law conflicting right now? There is a problem in that aspect. There is such a content in Article 3, Paragraph 3 of the Public Offices Act. The President and the President's Office shall not make requests, instructions, present opinions, consultations, etc. in relation to the affairs of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Based on this law, acting Choi Sang-mok heard the opinions of several legal scholars in that this consultation can include cooperation. Therefore, it is known that he made such a political judgment that he could do it for the independence and neutrality of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit when he did this part.

Above all, isn't it very important to know who the security is being instructed by? The president, who is the commander-in-chief, has been entrusted with command and supervision of the security services, from the president. So, the president's office is in the position that the command of the security agency is at the head of the security agency. Next is the position of the power of our people. According to the Security Act, the president-appointed chief of security is in charge of the role of security. That's why if there's a problem with this, you can legally solve it. And most of all, what I'm overlooking now is that the president's duties have been suspended, not dismissed or convicted. Then, it is correct that the president's security is maintained according to the relevant laws in accordance with the President's Honorable Treatment Act. And it is a living authority that Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act require permission from the person in charge when they raid and search for military or official secrets. It's a law. And it's in accordance with the Security Service Act. That's why the current situation is unprecedented in a way, right? It's a process of investigating the incumbent president. Since there is no precedent like this, there is a conflict now. In this case, when the law and the law collide, then who will take the after-effects when the so-called public opinion is pushed or the Democratic Party is pressured like this? So, as I said earlier, if the investigation is the essence, I think it is the responsibility of the president and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to create a point of contact among the various measures to investigate.

[Park Sungmin]
However, the Democratic Party did not issue the warrant, but the court issued it. Therefore, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the authority to investigate the crimes of rebellion claimed by the power of the people, and this part was also first ended with the issuance of the warrant. Furthermore, some people claim that this warrant is illegal, why is it illegal? How can this be illegal when a court has issued a warrant? So it's illegal or legal, why does this politics, especially the presidential aides, keep fighting public opinion by judging these parts, and it's a situation that harms the president because it's the process of executing legitimately issued warrants anyway? This is not the case with the president coming to execute a warrant and firing live ammunition, is it?

That's why compliance with the law at the security office should be the primary role, but I'm over-protecting it. It is clear that it is an obstruction of justice to prevent it because it is a process in which a legitimate warrant is executed. That's why they claim that their role in the security service is justified, but as a result, it is clear that they are preventing the execution of legally issued warrants by the court, and clearly makes an exception to Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act. This point out that the prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went to arrest the president, not to pick up confidential documents, confidential documents or confidential items that the president saw. That's why it's an exception because I went looking for people. So don't block it like the existing logic, the court has clearly organized this part, but it's clearly obstruction of justice.

[Anchor]
Regarding the controversy over the command of the security agency, Financial Supervisory Service Director Lee Bok-hyun talked about something with bones yesterday. Acting President Choi should not be burdened with justice. I mentioned that politics should be solved in the political field, but I think they are telling me to stop shaking it. How did you like it?

[Park Sungmin]
If that's the case, I think acting Choi Sang-mok can do his role and responsibility. As I said earlier, you're the one who keeps saying that stabilizing state affairs is important, and isn't that the one who appointed two constitutional judges because of that? However, under the current circumstances, physical conflict could occur between these two organizations.

If there is a situation where the police, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the security service on the one hand, it is to stabilize the country that the president is arrested and the investigation proceeds quickly, and I think I am taking some kind of mechanical neutrality despite my duty and responsibility to take active action now. But for whom is this mechanical neutrality helpful? As a result, it is good for President Yoon Suk Yeol to delay the execution of arrest warrants. So, I'm not doing good things for the people right now, but Acting President Choi is doing good things for the president.

So, the Democratic Party of Korea's position is that it will take legal action if political pressure does not work beyond political pressure because it is acting that does not fit the heavy responsibility of the acting president's position.

[Anchor]
Acting President Choi met with U.S. Secretary of State Tony Blinken yesterday and emphasized that he would work hard to resolve the uncertainty while taking care of diplomacy and the economy. However, some point out that the first thing to do is to resolve domestic political uncertainty, whether this is to resolve half-term uncertainty.

[Kim Gi-heung]
I think that's what makes people uneasy, impeachment. So didn't you impeach acting Han Deok-soo? By the way, didn't you say I was in sympathy with that? But aren't you saying you're going to get rid of the charges of rebellion?
is not correct. And there was also a controversy over whether 151 seats were possible or 200 seats were possible. However, in a simple way, the prime minister does not appoint a constitutional judge because he did not appoint this for the charge of rebellion, and he impeached him for not appointing a constitutional judge, but the appointment of a constitutional judge is not done by the prime minister.

It's done by an acting authority. In the end, he was impeached because he was an acting president. Then it is more than 200 seats, common sense and according to the president of the Constitutional Court. However, the Constitutional Court must urgently make a judgment on this. The Democratic Party, which has 151 seats that can impeach the acting president, can serve as the Nth acting president. So don't you say that in a joking way? Don't you say that it's not the Republic of Korea, but the Republic of Korea? In the end, it is politics that needs to eliminate this uncertainty, and it is politics that reduces confusion and anxiety, so what is the Democratic Party doing now? He says he's going to continue impeachment. And now they say that the civil war is in progress. There's a civil war, can I be doing this broadcast? It's operating normally. Martial law ended and civil war ended because of the people's resilience to democracy. I can't help but think that this situation of the Democratic Party, which is driving everything in the irresponsible frame of civil war, is promoting civil war. That's what I told you calmly. I impeached the president for political responsibility in Congress. If so, it's up to the Constitutional Court. The police are investigating and the investigation agency is also responsible for the investigation. However, the ruling and opposition parties, especially the opposition parties, should let go of their stomachs, speed up, arrest warrants should be issued, and the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be impeached.

What can the acting president Choi Sang-mok or the people do normally to say this? So, in the end, for the father of the Democratic Party of Korea, Lee Jae-myung, don't you know that the Constitutional Court's speed and investigative agency are made quickly and that you are playing bed soccer? That's why the Constitutional Court's time and the Supreme Court's clock should be equal, and the political community says it's for the people's livelihood, but I don't agree with the president's martial law, but the Democratic Party has been impeaching 29 people so far, conducting a special prosecution, reducing the budget, and above all, the people don't like the situation. So they refrain from saying that they have their authority, but the people are concerned about where the endless impeachment will stop.

[Anchor]
It is the special prosecutor's office that can resolve controversies related to the investigation of Yoon Suk Yeol's president, but won't the plenary session be held tomorrow? First of all, the Democratic Party should re-decide immediately, right?

[Park Sungmin]
That's right. In a way, it is true that there is confusion among investigative agencies while looking at the process of failure to execute warrants by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and if so, it should go beyond maintaining the system and eventually go to the independent counsel. Since the need for the introduction of this special prosecutor is growing, we have no choice but to say that the special prosecutor should be introduced as soon as possible. That's why there is a claim that we need to vote quickly. However, in the case of the Civil War Special Prosecutor Act, there seems to be a little talk about the possibility of negotiations to some extent, adding the condition that the toxin clause is removed from the power of the people.

So we have to wait and see, but if this content is compromised to some extent or agreed, wouldn't the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act be passed as soon as possible? But what I'm concerned about is also the topic we've dealt with earlier.Ma has seen the members of the People's Power go to the presidential residence collectively to protect the president and claim to be a human shield, so even if there are people who rationally acknowledge the need for the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act, they may be blocked by such collective movements and cannot negotiate themselves in the first place. So, although the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act passes, there is a clear concern about what kind of rapid progress will be possible in these areas.

[Anchor]
The party's theory of people's power is to reject the independent counsel law. How is the atmosphere within the party now? I don't have to worry about the departure ticket?

[Kim Gi-heung]
You have to change the title of the Special Prosecutor for Insurrection. Aren't you saying you're going to remove the charge of rebellion from impeachment? Then, isn't it inconsistent to say that this side of the civil war sells light and that this side does not? So I don't personally agree with the independent counsel on insurrection, but if necessary, the ruling and opposition parties will agree. But the most important thing was that the Democratic Party of Korea filed a complaint, right? But don't you mean they're going to decide who they want as a special prosecutor? Then, isn't it not convincing from the point of view of the investigator or the person doing it, especially from the point of view of the public?

If so, they said they would recommend a third party, but they only recommended a third party, and then they said they would do it outright. The second problem is that the Democratic Party opposed it so much. If you recognize it during the investigation process, it expands infinitely. At the same time, they said they shouldn't do this, but they opened up the possibility of a separate investigation that can be expanded indefinitely. Third, the subject of the investigation is too broad. When it comes to civil war, we have to narrow it down. They removed it for the Constitutional Court's quick hearing. But I put all of this part in it. It is not a special prosecutor related to the civil war, but a special prosecutor for the paralysis of the Yoon Suk Yeol government, which is actually determined to neutralize the Yoon Suk Yeol government, the power of the people, and all state agencies. If so, I also expect that the ruling and opposition parties will agree on this and a truly balanced independent counsel will be made to investigate the facts and approach the truth.

[Anchor]
Tomorrow's vote on the independent counsel law is expected to be a major turning point in the investigation and political conflict. I'll stop listening to it. Kim Ki-heung, spokesman for the People's Power, and Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea's supreme council. Thank you.