Yoon spoke directly for 40 minutes at the arrest examination...an adjournment

■ Host: Anchor Na Kyung-chul and Anchor Yoon Bori
■ Starring: Lawyer Son Jeong-hye

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[Anchor]
I heard that the interrogation of the suspect before President Yoon Suk Yeol's arrest, which began at 2 p.m. today, was terminated a little before the interrogation. From now on, let's look at the related news with lawyer Son Jung-hye. How are you? I think the arrest examination just ended.

[Son Jung-hye]
It took about 5 hours, and excluding the break, it seems to have lasted about 4 hours and 40 minutes. It took considerably longer than the general case, I can say this, but it was a little shorter compared to the actual examination time of the arrest warrant under former President Park Geun Hye. As such, the opinions of both sides are expressed under one sin, so I think I can tell you that it was carried out according to expectations. In the case of ordinary suspects, they don't do it this long. However, since it is a serious case and can be a touchstone in our history, the battle between the two sides was fierce, and the court is presumed to have asked a number of questions.

[Anchor]
The interrogation of the suspect has ended and the president is scheduled to depart for the Seoul Detention Center soon. There is also a breaking news, and the screen you are looking at is the entrance to the Seoul Western District Court and the entrance to the court. At the time of attending the court earlier, the president was not on the photo line, but attention is being paid to what he will look like when he comes out again, or whether he will just drive to the detention center as he did when he attended. There was another adjournment in the middle of today's arrest examination. The court adjourned for about 20 minutes at the request of the presiding judge. Isn't this an unusual issue, too?

[Son Jeonghye]
No, it should be interpreted as a general situation. Even after a general trial, it is usually held from 2 p.m. to 6 p.m. But since I'm a person who gets off for four hours, it's hard to sit down and rest, and I think I rested once in the middle because I need to rest for things like going to the bathroom or drinking water. In particular, the judges also took a break, but lawyers, parties, and investigative agencies also had a break because they needed a little break. It doesn't mean much, I think you should look at it like this.

[Anchor]
And the news was that President Yoon Suk Yeol spoke directly for about 40 minutes. This is the news, and is this how much you usually make a statement to the person concerned?

[Son Jeonghye]
It's quite long, I can tell you this. In general cases, it is usually expected to take more than 30 minutes or at least an hour, so the fact that the party's opinion is 40 minutes may be considered to have been given a lot of opportunities to speak and exercised the right to defend faithfully. In particular, from the president's point of view, he has faithfully prepared for 40 minutes of what he will talk about. And because there were a lot of things I wanted to say, I didn't have a chance to talk for about 40 minutes until now. But this time, it seems that he specifically stated what he wanted to say, what he prepared, and what he said to help his defense. As such, the president seems to have decided to actively defend his position because he thought there was a risk that he could feel a great sense of crisis.

[Anchor]
We continue to show you the entrance to the Western District Court, and attention is currently being paid to who will come out and who will reveal their position through this door. Some people are coming out. Cha Jung-hyun, the chief prosecutor of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, is also coming out. I think I'll probably go to the airborne office by car without expressing my position. Today, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit reported earlier that six prosecutors participated in the actual examination of the arrest warrant. On the president's side, I told you earlier that eight lawyers and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol attended like this. How do you expect President Yoon Suk Yeol to attend and make a statement in person and affect the arrest examination?

[Son Jeonghye]
First of all, if the parties explicitly cooperate with me actively and faithfully in the future trial proceedings, especially on the possibility of running away or destroying evidence, there is a possibility that it will work in their favor. In addition, since the court may listen to the person to be arrested talking directly, the suspect's interrogation process has an advantage because it is both a right and an obligation for the suspect to attend and claim his or her claim. However, in some cases, even if the suspects attend, they may give answers that the court does not want, for example, make inconsistent or contradictory claims, or give explanations that are difficult to understand reasonably, so the key is whether they exercised their right to defend themselves for about 40 minutes or gave a somewhat abstract and ambiguous explanation of what legal aspects.

[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol has been pointing out the issue of warrant jurisdiction over and over again. Did the arrest examination also claim this part? You may have mentioned

[Son Jeonghye]
However, it seems possible that the West District Court's objections have been rejected several times and that the central government may not have accepted the claim at the arrest suit. Because a reasonable lawyer should spend a considerable amount of time to persuade the court again with reasons judged by the court, rather than having to spend a considerable amount of time to persuade the court, there should be enough defense rights to be guaranteed because there is room for dispute over other factors, such as no fear of running away, no possibility of destroying evidence, or the clarification of the crime. It is much more efficient and persuasive to make such a claim, so it is difficult to predict that he would have taken a considerable amount of time to discuss procedural issues.

[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol said yesterday that he would not attend the actual examination of the arrest warrant, but that changed today. What factors do you expect to have worked?

[Son Jeonghye]
The lawyers must have felt the sense of crisis that an arrest warrant would be issued. Therefore, if there is a possibility of actively attending the actual examination of the arrest warrant and pleading and dismissing the arrest warrant at all, there is a possibility that he should be actively involved. In the second place, the president and his lawyers will attend the substantive examination of the arrest warrant in the first place and argue. At that time, I promised to exercise my right to defend myself. Of course, it was a one-sided story to the media, but since the attitude of making such a promise is very important, and the arrest suit was dismissed just before, and there are parts that did not respond to the request of the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it seems that they agreed to participate in the crisis that the issuance of arrest warrants would be very high if they did not go out. Internally and externally, I think I strongly felt the need to actively assert the part when it comes to the arrest of military generals, defense ministers, and people under my direction.

[Anchor]
What's the difference between when you're normally present and when you're not?

[Son Jeonghye]
Since the actual examination of the arrest warrant is obligated to be present, if the suspect does not attend without permission and does not come without a justifiable reason, it may have a very negative impact on the court and the possibility of an arrest warrant being issued increases because the parties have given up exercising their defense rights. In a very inevitable case, or in an attitude of remorse, I will issue an arrest warrant. Please make a written review, and unless this is the case, it is in principle to attend in person like this. As such, it is natural and scheduled to attend, but I was worried about not responding to the attendance, but it seems that he attended due to a change in his position.

[Anchor]
There are criteria for determining whether or not to be arrested. So what will the judge of the Western District Court see at the heart of this?

[Son Jeonghye]
In the end, it seems that we will take a considerable amount of time to examine whether there was a criminal vocation. Even if several accomplices have been issued arrest warrants, the accomplice case and the president's case are different, so it seems that we will look at these key pieces of evidence. Furthermore, it is possible to focus on the possibility of destroying evidence and the fear of running away. In the past, an arrest warrant was issued due to the possibility of destroying evidence during the actual examination of an arrest warrant for former President Lee Myung Bak. If a dispute is contested without acknowledging a criminal charge for the purpose of innocence, there is room for the possibility of destroying evidence, so is there insufficient evidence? Is there any possibility of conciliation or pressure using the president's status in personal evidence? And in light of the past precedents in which the search and seizure warrant has not been executed in detail, it is expected to focus on these areas whether there is a need for further investigation.

[Anchor]
We are showing you the appearance of the Seoul Western District Court. The screen is split to the left of the screen, showing the photo line of the Seoul Western District Court, and the left side shows the main gate of the Seoul Western District Court. When President Yoon attended the Western District Court from the detention center, attention was paid to whether he would stand in this photo line.Ma went straight to the underground parking lot and went straight up to the court without standing in the photo line. When we leave in a little while, we are paying attention to what position we will reveal. During the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today, President Yoon continued to exercise his right to remain silent. How did this affect today's screening?

[Son Jeonghye]
Since the right to reject the truth is a constitutional right, it should not be adversely affected by itself. However, in addition to exercising the right to refuse to make a statement, cooperation with the investigation is...

[Anchor]
Wait a minute. There's a Yoon Gap-class lawyer on the left. Let's listen to the voice on the spot.

[Yoon Gap-geun / Attorney]
In any case, he sincerely explained and answered the facts, evidence, and legal issues. There's nothing more to say today. Anyway, I will wait quietly for the court's decision.

[Reporter]
How do you expect the results?

[Yoon Gap-geun / Attorney]
Of course, we are waiting for good results from our point of view.

[Reporter]
How much did the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit prepare for the PPT?

[Yoon Gap-geun / Attorney]
I don't know.

[Anchor]
I can't hear any more. I gave a sincere explanation. And I'll be waiting. Lawyer Yoon Gap-geun said that he faithfully explained facts, evidence, and legal issues, and we can also see Kim Hong-il, former chairman of the Korea Communications Commission, and Bae Jin-han passing behind lawyer Yoon Gap-geun. I will wait quietly for the court's decision. I think it was a lot longer than I thought. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit also lasted about 70 minutes. And the president seems to have taken a similar amount of time, but in general, as we see in general trials, can we see that there is a little bit of a dispute between each other?

[Son Jeonghye]
Even if you look at the criminal procedure law regulations related to the substantive examination of arrest warrants, the most important procedure is the procedure of interrogating the suspect. In other words, the most important process is to ask the suspect directly what the judge is curious about. After that, there is an opportunity for the prosecutor and the suspect to state their opinions. Give each other equal time and plead with both sides for a certain amount of time until when. You give both sides the opportunity to express your opinions. It seems that the investigators of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit expressed that opinion first. It seems that the suspect then stated his opinion at a similar time. Today, we have summarized the facts or summarized the evidence relationship to prove the argument, as if we were writing the summary of the argument with PPT to suit each of the constituent requirements while arranging the issues in which the arguments of both sides are at odds.

Even after hearing the opinions of both sides like this, there was a considerable amount of time after the recess. At that time, it's possible that the court asked each person, whether they wanted to ask the prosecutor, whether they wanted to ask the attorney, or whether they wanted to ask the person. So, you can think of it as a procedure to look at questions about key issues, legal issues, and such things. In the end, it will be time for the judge to review the remaining key parts while looking at the documents. Therefore, there is a time for both the prosecutor and the suspect to wait until the decision is made.

[Anchor]
How long do you expect to wait?

[Son Jeonghye]
This is what the law says. The purpose is to quickly decide to calculate and decide within 12 hours from the end of the newspaper. The decision is made that quickly, and in the case of ordinary suspects, for example, if it ends at 4 o'clock, it is decided later in the evening and 3 to 4 hours later. However, as you know, in this case, if the evidence and investigation data are submitted in vast amounts and the PPT lasted for 70 minutes, there is a possibility that a large portion of the opinions submitted by both sides, especially the lawyers, have submitted in writing. I need time to read them while considering them once in a while, so I think it'll be at least 10 hours or more. It ended around 7 a.m. earlier, so if it's 10 hours, even if the decision comes out at dawn, we expect it to be past 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 a.m. rather than 1 or 2 a.m.

[Anchor]
You expected a later time than expected, but today, attention was paid to who was in charge of the warrant review. Cha Eun-kyung, a judge on duty who is on duty on the weekend, conducted a hearing today, not a judge who issued an arrest warrant and a search warrant earlier, and what do you think?

[Son Jeonghye]
I don't think it should be regarded as a special variable. This is because the court will want the judge to respect the judgment with his or her career or professional knowledge, rather than his or her personal disposition, as there are repeated complaints about the outcome based on his or her personal disposition. First of all, there were various disputes on the suspect's side, that is, the president's side, with the judges in charge of the two warrants related to the arrest suit and the arrest warrant. Because there is a possibility that the same controversy may arise again when the president decides against the decision when the warrant judge says that the arrest warrant is illegal, so I think it has been much more advantageous for a new judge to be in charge of the actual examination of the arrest warrant.

There is a possibility of looking at the record from an objective and fair standpoint, so it seems that this was not intended, and it was mechanically normal according to the assignment of a judge on duty, but there seems to be no reason for the prosecutor or the suspect to raise or object to any particular issue with the tendency of an individual judge. Rather, if you look at it, you can say that you are a judge with more than 20 years of legal experience in Suwon, Incheon, or the central government, and you have considerable expertise in criminal law through the Criminal Agreement Department or the Criminal Chamber.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, President Yoon posted a threat online against the judge who rejected the request for an arrest suit. The police have launched an investigation, what is this about?

[Son Jeonghye]
It is said that a threatening article was posted against the judge in charge of this. Not only is this a special threat in itself, but in this regard, it should be ruled as a very serious crime that harms the independence of judges over the entire court, and I think we should be alert to this. Not everyone can disagree with the judge's judgment. Because there are people who lose.

However, since repeatedly undermining the independence and authority of the judiciary to the extent of attacking individual judges by losing and losing is a blur of the nation's judicial order, an immediate investigation will take place in this regard and there is a possibility that the sentencing will be ruled very strictly, so this should not be repeated in the future, and the personal name of the judge for the actual arrest warrant has been specified this time. In some cases, some people will be dissatisfied, complain, and find it hard to understand, but they should not attack individuals and respect the judiciary. And our judiciary has a procedure to object to the issuance of arrest warrants like this. Rather than attacking individual judges, I would like to say that if there is an error in the decision, it is a problem that must be resolved within the judicial order as an objection procedure.

[Anchor]
You emphasized that it should be resolved within the legal process. Perhaps that's why there is a need for protection of the judge today.

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. In fact, it is known that the entire judge of the Western District Court is very concerned about this because he is exposed to some kind of suspicion or insulting writing. After the weekend, not only court judges but also ordinary employees have to work there as usual on Monday, but there are some people who post or raise their voices of strong criticism and criticism in a way that can be considered an act of aggression not only against judges but also against all court employees. These things usually leave room for us to interpret them as shaking the independence of the judiciary, so even if they get a little emotional, I think you should at least keep your basic trust and authority in the judiciary. If there are constant attempts to provoke and attack individual judges, there seems to be a situation in which they have to actively protect them.

[Anchor]
Earlier, some supporters of President Yoon stormed over the wall of the Western District Court. This is the breaking news. Supporters who crossed this wall were arrested, but are they subject to punishment?

[Son Jeonghye]
There's news that you've been arrested as a red-handed offender. Before that, there were also some demonstrators who used violence against police officers, and there are rumors that they crossed the fence, and that they broke in. All of them can be punished for violating the Gypsy Act or obstructing the execution of public affairs. In particular, within 100m of the court now, it is an area where assembly is prohibited by the Assembly Act. Moreover, a dissolution order was issued, but failure to comply with the dissolution order also stipulates criminal penalties to be sentenced to up to six months in prison and fined in the Assembly Act. So, even if it's a bit intense now and various supporters come out with a good intention to support, I think we should faithfully follow the police's right to maintain order because no one should be frustrated and hurt. Courts in particular are public institutions. Currently, access is prohibited, but entering itself can be a crime of intrusion into public works, and exercising tangible power against public officials who protect it can interfere with the execution of official duties. So, if a police officer or a person who maintains order is injured, it can even lead to obstruction of public service, so it seems necessary to be wise to see this situation objectively rather than emotionally.

[Anchor]
As you just said, did you tell me that it was within a 100m radius of the court? But even with the naked eye, I think I can see the supporters within 100m of the court, but is this illegal?

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. Because you're in an area where there's no assembly or demonstration. However, even so, the current situation clearly shows that society is very confused nationally. So, there have been no reports of rallies or protests. However, because supporters gathered after hearing the president's attendance, I think that it will be necessary to maintain order more intensively in preparation for such things as attendance, investigation, or attendance at the Constitutional Court.

[Anchor]
This time, let's look at the main charges of arrest warrants. If you look at it broadly, there are two types of civil war and abuse of authority, right?

[Son Jeonghye]
Since the head of the rebellion is essentially the most important crime and the highest court sentence, there is a possibility that various claims have been made regarding the criminal clarification today. In the end, major issues will be the act of writing a decree and declaring an emergency decree, blocking the National Assembly and trying to arrest those involved or suspending the exercise of voting rights, and the arrest of NEC employees related to election commissioners.

It is said that a number of records have been submitted for the accomplices involved, the suspects who are now in custody, and the defendants. With some credibility as evidence of guilt, the court will examine a little more or make a reasonable suspicion about whether there is a gap in the president's direct involvement. As a general standard, all major accomplices are currently being arrested or prosecuted for involvement, so it is estimated that there will be some explanation for the crime.

[Anchor]
The screen you're looking at is the entrance to the underground parking lot of the Western District Court. It's on the left screen. Earlier, when President Yoon attended the court, some of the convoy and security vehicles carrying President Yoon entered through the underground parking lot, so it will probably be a while after the warrant is reviewed. It is currently expected that the same convoy will come out through this door. The screen on the right is the one we're shooting from a high place, and we're showing you the front yard of the Seoul Western District Court. And just outside of that, you can hear the shouts of supporters. The protest is currently underway. It's terminated now, and the president will then go back to the Seoul Detention Center where he was detained, right?

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. You have to ride the whole vehicle as it is and go back with the same kind of security, but because traffic control is not prepared smoothly, it seems that you are not going out right away and waiting. Traffic control should be done by the police, and if the end time is not notified in advance, it may take a considerable amount of time to control traffic, so lawyers and prosecutors have resigned, but the president is believed to be on standby, so once traffic control is cleared to some extent, we don't know whether we will go all the way or change our routes, but we will return to the Seoul Detention Center.

[Anchor]
Then, if a warrant is issued today, what will happen to President Yoon's future investigation?

[Son Jeonghye]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will try to complete the scheduled investigation. The scheduled investigation is to investigate questions that were not completed in the first investigation before, and if you do not respond to the investigation, it is time for the investigative agency to think about whether to investigate in a different way. Furthermore, there is a possibility that there is a possibility of destroying evidence and pointing out that there is a possibility of withdrawing from Facebook or replacing mobile phones. As such, there is a possibility that there will be an attempt to search for mobile phones and past mobile phones.

Furthermore, since there is a possibility that the investigation into the witnesses currently underlying the president may be insufficient, additional investigations can be conducted on the security officials around the president and various human people who can check the movement related to the security agency. Additional attempts can be made to secure CCTV inside the official residence or data on mobile routes that were not approved by the security service in the past and were not received through a seizure and search warrant. However, if all of these things are tried, but they are not prepared or practically found, they are expected to take the step of organizing the data in that state and sending it back to the prosecution.

[Anchor]
If the warrant is rejected today, the president who returned to the Seoul Detention Center is expected to return to his official residence, so wouldn't it be a big setback for the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. If the arrest warrant to secure a new person has expired and there is no basis for arresting him if the arrest warrant is not issued, so it is a principle to release him immediately, and he will go through the process of returning in the security car he rode in, not in the convoy. If so, it will be necessary to think about whether it will come out when the president who entered the official residence asks him to comply with the summons. Of course, we will actively cooperate with future investigations and trials during today's warrant review process. So, even if the arrest warrant is dismissed, you can actively participate in the investigation if you promised that there will be no delay or obstruction in the investigation or trial. However, since this entirely requires the president's decision, if he still refuses to be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it will be difficult to conduct further investigations, and it is difficult to get an arrest warrant again, so in the end, the president's investigation can be stopped and the investigation data can be handed over to the central prosecutor's office.

[Anchor]
As you said, the president's position is that he will not be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but if a warrant is issued, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the prosecution will be divided into 10 days for 20 days. Shall we respond to the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

[Son Jeonghye]
There is a good chance that we will not respond at this time. Because after the first investigation, the first investigation also exercised the right to refuse to make statements and the emergency martial law is the president's authority, and the second investigation did not respond to the summons saying, "I have talked enough, I have nothing more to say," so it seems more likely that no further investigation will be responded. However, there is room to expect whether there has been a change in position through the warrant review process today. Nevertheless, it is not expected to come to the investigative agency and make a specific statement.

Because the president has already chosen not to respond to each fact or answer questions, I think he will continue to exercise his right to refuse statements to maintain consistency. In fact, 10 plus 11 is not an absolute standard because the prosecutor and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit consulted at the beginning of the investigation, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit says it will not use all 10 days, it is okay to hand it over to the prosecution. This is because it is a part where investigative agencies can cooperate or consult with each other regarding the investigation date. As such, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will do its best, but I have no choice but to give up what cannot be done and send investigative data to the prosecution after doing what can be done.

[Anchor]
As the president previously requested an arrest warrant for the execution of the arrest warrant, if the arrest warrant is issued today, it is expected that an arrest warrant will be issued, and which court will apply for it? [Son Jeong-hye] Arrest and arrest can be done to the Central District Court from the president's point of view because the Criminal Procedure Act is in the courts responding to prosecutors and investigative agencies. So it's expected to be done to the Central District Court. If it is dismissed again due to an arrest suit, it will be very difficult because there is a concern that the validity of the arrest warrant will be strengthened by the public's awareness and that the reason for arrest is sufficient.

Because the key part of the president's defense, the illegality of the warrant, and procedural problems were resolved to some extent after the arrest suit was rejected, there are many ways to resolve the arrest that the suspect with the arrest warrant can choose. As such, in the case of an arrest warrant as a last resort, a single judge will not be given a hearing, but will be allocated to the collegiate court, and will go through the process of reviewing the investigation records again by considering for a day, two days, or three days, so if there is any hope, there is a possibility that he will fight the illegality and injustice of the arrest warrant again with an arrest warrant.

[Anchor]
But is this continuous objection legally favorable to President Yoon?

[Son Jeonghye]
I think it's hard to judge whether it's advantageous or not. In the end, what kind of judgment is made by the court and whether or not you are guilty of rebellion? Or I can tell you how to get sentencing. So far, objections have been filed, provisional injunction, challenge, or arrest suit, all of which have been dismissed. The president will also have concerns about the situation. There may be internal denunciation and internal self-reflection about the fact that we have carried out the proceedings legally because we thought it was unfair and unfair, but it has never been recognized by the court. This is because if lawyers engage in defense activities and only reject and reject claims that the court does not accept, the court may judge other claims as unreliable, so in this case, choice and concentration are necessary. So, rather than claiming everything transparently, this argument will be convincing enough in the court, you have to make this argument to win the case, you have to focus on these things. It means that it's much better to focus on 10 than to throw all 100 arguments that you can and get 90 dismissals. In that sense, there are so many lawyers so far, so I don't know if there is a consensus, but it's time to choose a means to persuade the actual court and bring the results we want through considerable legal debates or close research even after internal meetings. The situation in which the majority of them are rejected by all means is also a situation in which supporters feel exhausted and may not fit the president's authority.

[Anchor]
Today, when the president appeared in court, he took the first convoy. So, it's the first time we've seen you in a convoy of the Ministry of Justice. Of course, the security vehicle accompanied me back and forth. But if an arrest warrant is issued today, what will happen to the security system after that? Of course, it's a situation we haven't experienced, so it's hard to predict in advance.What do you expect Ma to do?

[Son Jeonghye]
It's going to be the same as today. There are regulations related to the Ministry of Justice because it currently maintains its status as an incumbent president unless the impeachment trial is cited and becomes a former president. regulations concerning pending detainees So it would be difficult to give preferential treatment to all suspects as a president. As such, there is a possibility that the Ministry of Justice and the Security Service will consult on internal regulations but allow them if there is a means to receive security under the Security Act. That's the principle of riding a convoy today, so the Ministry of Justice made it do so. However, many of the security vehicles escorted and controlled traffic because they had to be guarded according to their status as president. So, if there are mutually compatible regulations, I think the President's life in detention centers and security related to the Ministry of Justice will be coordinated to balance the security law and the current rules related to the Ministry of Justice.

[Anchor]
Now, after moving back to the detention center in a Ministry of Justice convoy, what are the procedures after that?

[Son Jeonghye]
First of all, in the case of today, we will wait in the suspect's waiting room in the same situation as yesterday until the decision is made. If it is rejected, it will be released, and if it is issued, it will be immediately converted to a suspect in custody and will have no choice but to go through the process that the president does not want. Because of the regulations, you will have to undergo a physical examination, change your plain clothes into a life suit, and furthermore, as the relevant laws are revised, we are supposed to take so-called mug shots, so we need to take mug shots, and we can go through various fingerprinting procedures, so there may be some changes, but I don't think there will be much change in place because it is moving from the current place to a place that is not much different. [Anchor] We continue to send messages from the president's side to his supporters. Sending out such a message even when an arrest warrant is issued. Do you expect it to continue, and how do you see it?

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. The decision of the impeachment trial is called prison politics or SNS politics in a way. I think I'll do it. Because legal disputes are a time of law, it is very important to focus on this and provide a proper defense, but when it comes to evaluating whether the public has betrayed the trust of the people enough to dismiss the president in the impeachment trial, I think it will send a continuous message so that supporters can unite without being broken down by showing the Constitutional Court that the people still support me very much. However, saying the same thing repeatedly can cause fatigue in a way. As such, I think we will talk about the necessary things according to the procedure. And in the process, if the president's allegations of suspects are partially cited in the court in legal proceedings, there may be a situation where voices are raised. Depending on the situation, I think political messages will come out at that time.

[Anchor]
This prison politics, SNS politics, and public opinion battle you mentioned. How do you see this in the Constitutional Court or the Court?

[Son Jeonghye]
I don't think we'll judge it unfavorably just because we have a public opinion contest. There is a possibility that the judiciary is not very happy about the content of the public opinion battle attacking the Constitutional Court or the courts or dispersing its authority. Not long ago, during the Constitutional Court arguments, when lawyers say that the Constitutional Court is not capable of judging this, or when supporters involved in objecting to the decision in relation to this court attack a particular judge or court too much, because courts are a group and an institution, one's attack can be regarded as an attack of the whole. As such, gathering supporters to the extent that it does not harm the independence of the judiciary. So even if the judiciary makes an unwanted decision, I think it's necessary to send a warning message to supporters to refrain from overcutting or defaming it. As you can see today, in order to attack the Seoul Western District Court, they attack the police officers who maintain order there and threaten the judges of the Western District Court. There is a need to be careful of those points, and in particular, investigative agencies are investigating with great enthusiasm anyway, but if the act of obstructing the investigation or obstructing the judiciary continues, the investigative agency can conduct an intense investigation in a way. I think you should keep that in mind.

[Anchor]
It was two days ago. The Constitutional Court had the second hearing of the impeachment trial. In particular, answers from the president's lawyers were a hot topic at this hearing, but when the judge asked a question, he was unable to adequately answer those questions. And the Constitutional Court set the eighth deadline. He also raised a lot of objections to the closely set deadline, but could this be a factor that the Constitution could not see very well?

[Son Jeonghye]
First of all, I remember the question of what kind of forces are anti-state forces referring to? In addition, it is known that he talked about illegal elections in other countries, unconfirmed media reports, or Chinese-related stories during the defense, but if the defense's argument is based on rumors rather than objective facts, the credibility can be greatly reduced. That's how much...

[Anchor]
Hold on. If you look at the screen on the left, I think the security car is coming up first.

We are looking at the entrance to the underground parking lot of the Seoul Western District Court.

This is the Ministry of Justice's convoy. It is currently estimated that President Yoon Suk Yeol is on board here. It is currently expected to leave the main gate and head to the Seoul Detention Center in Uiwang City.

President Yoon Suk Yeol's supporters are gathered around the court now, so there are vague shouts of supporters.

It is expected that the police have controlled the surrounding traffic so that the vehicle can pass. Earlier, two security vehicles came out first, followed by a convoy for the third time, followed by about two or three security vehicles. Earlier, when I attended the Seoul Western District Court, I left the detention center at about 1:25 and arrived at the Western District Court at around 1:54. It took about 30 minutes. It's quite a long distance because

police went while controlling the signal.Ma arrived quite quickly, about 29 minutes. It is expected that it will take about 30 minutes to control traffic on the way to the detention center.

As lawyer Son Jung-hye just said, the lawyers and the prosecutors of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit came out first, and we had already left the Western District Court and continued to show the underground parking lot, but the reason it took some time was probably because the police needed time to control traffic. That's what they said. You're watching a convoy carrying the president out of the Western District Court after more than 20 waiting hours. If you look to the right, you can see the president's supporters and protesters holding the Korean national flag and the American flag. You're watching all the vehicles moving away from the protesters.

Today, for the first time ever, the incumbent president was interrogated as a suspect before his arrest. President Yoon's arrest is expected to be decided as early as tonight. The results are expected to come out early tomorrow at the latest. Presently President of Yoon Suk Yeol, are you returning to Seoul Detention Center again? I have it.

Earlier, when we attended the Western District Court, we thought it would be more than an hour because we came with all traffic control, but we arrived at the Western District Court in 30 minutes. And even now, you still see Mapo-daero because you expect the police to have controlled the traffic to some extent. Since it is expected to have been controlled by traffic, I make a careful prediction that it will be able to arrive at the Seoul Detention Center in a rather short time.

The current screen shows that the police are controlling traffic on the mobile line because there are no cars in front of the convoy. I went into court today without any media exposure, and there was no media exposure at all on the way to the detention center. President Yoon Suk Yeol, you're looking at him heading back to the Seoul Detention Center.

Previously, I chose the route to Mapo through Gangbyeonbuk-ro, but if you look at it now, it seems that I chose the route from Mapo-daero to Gangbyeonbuk-ro on the right. It is currently expected to return to the Seoul Detention Center located in Uiwang City on a similar route to when it came.

Earlier, some supporters of President Yoon Suk Yeol stormed the road, and it seems that it took more time for the police to get back to the detention center. He is now being escorted back to the detention center by the police and bodyguards.

The actual investigation of the arrest warrant began a little after 2 p.m. today, and it was all finished at 6:50 p.m. a little while ago. And about 40 minutes later, it's 7:37 now. You're seeing him go back to the detention center.

Lawyer Son Jung-hye, if I go to the detention center now, will I be tested for recruits again?

[Son Jeonghye]
No, I think we need to go back and take a break. There is a possibility that you will not do anything additional because you have completed a simple inspection when you come in, but according to the regulations, there may be people who have dangerous items, so the inspection can proceed. I think you should look at it like this. If I go in now, I think I'll go into a break right away because it's way past the evening and late at night, and I think lawyers will apply for an interview early tomorrow morning to discuss the results of the actual examination of the arrest warrant.

[Anchor]
Then, if I ask you again, aren't there still procedures in which security vehicles and convoy vehicles are moving together and the police have to control traffic? So, as you said earlier, could this scene be different after all the impeachment decisions have been made?

[Son Jeonghye]
It should be considered that it does not reach the present time because the scope and manpower of security are adjusted according to the former President's Honorable Treatment Act. As such, since he is currently an incumbent president, he is protected by so many people that many police escorts and security vehicles go with him, so his status is very important because you have to see him like this. Since the scope of the budget and the manpower vary depending on the current and former positions, that part is not known when the impeachment decision will be made in the future, but it seems to be a matter to be decided after that.

[Anchor]
The substantive examination of the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol began around 2 p.m. today and ended around 7 p.m. It lasted about 5 hours. It was adjourned for about 20 minutes at 5:20 p.m. and then resumed. Today, President Yoon Suk Yeol said he made his final argument for about 5 minutes before the end, what would he have said?

[Son Jeonghye]
I think I probably told the judge what I wanted to do in the main. It was the president's own authority, and he declared martial law to minimize damage to the people, and he had no intention of using truly helpless, repressive public power to harm others or arrest lawmakers. I think I would have preached these things. In fact, the most important thing is that the judges are most concerned about not appearing in the investigation and trial after rejecting the arrest warrant. That's why we're doing an arrest investigation. I personally wonder if there was any individual cooperation and opinion on that point, but in the future, I will faithfully engage in the investigation regardless of the subject of the investigation. I don't know if I have attended the trial and expressed my opinion that there will be no problem with the trial process, but in normal cases, I often do.

[Anchor]
If I summarize and deliver the contents of today's warrant review for a while, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit first announced it through PPT for about 70 minutes. The prosecutor of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made the claim using the PPT data prepared in advance. In addition, the Senior Prosecutor Cha Jung-hyun and six other prosecutors attended the warrant hearing today, and the president attended with eight lawyers, and the president also attended for about 70 minutes. And the president himself had about 40 minutes to speak during the warrant review process.

And the president's side has been told that he has explained the legitimacy of martial law and the non-establishment of the crime of civil war. And it was reported that the president felt sorry for the arrest of the former minister and the commander. If there is another story related to it, we will continue to deliver it as soon as the report is made. In the scene you're watching, you're watching the convoy carrying the president and the security vehicles heading toward the Seoul Detention Center through the Gangbyeonbuk-ro. Thanks to the police's traffic control in advance, the detention center continues to return smoothly without any traffic jams.


[Anchor]
So now the court is reviewing the interrogation records? What's going to happen?

[Son Jeonghye]
That's right. The bill has already been submitted and the investigation data has been submitted accordingly. It is not possible to confirm whether the suspect has also released related documents or data, but there is a possibility that he has. Usually, while preparing for PPT, a number of opinions containing the main points of the argument are submitted, so even if you record it, you may have more than two to three boxes. I think it will go through the process of reviewing important evidence and important facts. Maybe it can take hours just to look at the data. Looking at the data, we will examine the extent to which the crime has reached its calling, and what evidence has been prepared so far regarding the possibility of destroying evidence, and whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit's statement that additional investigations are needed regarding the evidence is practical and effective.

[Anchor]
If you look at the direction of the vehicles right now. We are entering Hannam Bridge. It seems that they are traveling on the same route as they came, but when they came to the Western District Court earlier, they entered the Gyeongbu Expressway through Yangji IC. And we remember that we crossed the Hannam Bridge and took the Gangbyeonbuk-ro to Mapo, but it seems that we have chosen to go from the sunny side to Uiwang City. You are watching a convoy and a security vehicle crossing the Hannam Bridge together.

[Anchor]
I think I'll arrive at the Seoul Detention Center in about 15 minutes. The court that is currently reviewing President Yoon's arrest, what areas are we focusing on?

[Son Jeonghye]
In the end, I think the final issue converges to the possibility of destroying evidence. Usually, in cases where a crime is not admitted and a confession is not admitted, the possibility of destroying evidence is high, but there is a possibility that the relationship of evidence will be reviewed in order to make a more thoughtful and careful decision. In particular, the presidential lawyer of the suspect claimed that the statements of the commanders involved, that is, the military commanders, were contaminated or distorted. So, it is entirely the time for a warrant judge to examine the credibility of the statements of various other accomplices related to the president's order to block the National Assembly and arrest lawmakers, and to judge whether there are circumstances to impeach them, if enough evidence is sufficiently secured, the possibility of destroying evidence is low, and because it clearly denies it, it is likely to print other evidence without acknowledging it. What standards and conclusions will be drawn by the judge in examining the first arrest warrant in the history of the Republic of Korea. Even if I make a decision, I think I will have a concern about whether the content imposed on it is the calling of the crime or the possibility of destroying evidence, or even the fear of running away.

[Anchor]
I'll stop talking to lawyer Son Jung-hye.