25 employees evacuated the rooftop..."I covered it with the entrance chair and was shaking".

■ Host: Anchor Lee Ha-rin, anchor Jeong Jin-hyung
■ Starring: Attorney Kim Sung-hoon, YTN Social Affairs Reporter Baek Jong-kyu

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[Anchor]
The urgent evacuation of court staff was made public when rioters broke through the front door.

[Anchor]
The court said the damage alone amounted to 700 million won as windows and CCTV control systems, as well as the outer wall, were smashed. Reporter Baek Jong-kyu of the Ministry of Social Affairs, Kim Sung-hoon at the lawyer's studio. How are you?

[Anchor]
We connected reporters to find out earlier, but we will talk while looking at the screen of the Seoul Detention Center at this time. This is the screen in front of the Seoul Detention Center at this time. As I told you earlier, the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. This part has not been confirmed exactly whether to forcibly recruit the president or conduct a visit investigation. According to the head of the correction department, we have not been briefed on whether the president has been forcibly sought. Reporter Baek, what's the situation now?

[Reporter]
First of all, this morning, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said in a briefing that they are strongly reviewing forced recruitment. Since the arrest, there have been continuous requests for attendance, because all of Yoon Suk Yeol's presidents have refused to comply. I'm strongly considering forced recruitment, and it's been written up to this point. If you look at it now, I was arrested on the 15th and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit asked me to attend on the 16th, 17th, 19th, and 20th, but all of them refused. President Yoon Suk Yeol has repeatedly stated that he has nothing more to say to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit came out by 10 a.m. today to be investigated, so I notified the President of Yoon Suk Yeol and he refused to comply with it. Because of this, there is no more way to investigate, and with this position, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can go through the process of compulsory recruitment. There is also the possibility of a visit survey. Because if the president does not come out to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit building now, there is a possibility of a visit investigation at the detention center site. If the president refuses to force a recruitment, it may be burdensome to use physical force to move him to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. For this reason, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit also said that it does not completely exclude on-site investigations into detention centers. However, if forced recruitment is possible, the president will be the first former and current president to be forced recruitment. That's why I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit vehicle has entered the detention center with prosecutors and investigators. So far, it is not known whether it is a forced recruitment or an on-site investigation.

[Anchor]
I was just in front of the Seoul Detention Center, and black cars are entering one after another. What kind of situation do you think you're in?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
Basically, an arrest warrant is issued and the investigation proceeds accordingly is a measure to make the investigation process effective to reveal the actual truth. In that regard, even though the warrant was issued, it can be said that the warrant was requested for parts that still did not respond to the investigation and entered to proceed with the investigation according to the purpose of the issuance. However, whether it is a forced recruitment or a door-to-door survey, the attitude of not responding to the investigation itself is still the same, so I think it is necessary to see in detail whether or not to do a forced inch.

[Anchor]
How likely is the door-to-door survey?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
I think there's a possibility of that. In fact, since human beings are currently in custody, there is no significant difference in the effectiveness of the investigation, so in some ways, cooperation with the investigation may become more important. In that sense, I don't think we can rule out the possibility of conducting a visit survey.

[Anchor]
It seems that we are currently considering a forced recruitment or a visit investigation, but even if we have entered the forced recruitment process, can the president reject it?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
In conclusion, we continue to argue in two directions. They argue that neither investigation nor judicial review is necessary for the exercise of the president's authority and that it is not subject to such application. In addition, even if it is the subject of an investigation, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit insists that it has no right to investigate, so I don't think the attitude will change particularly if the investigation is conducted in any way.

[Anchor]
According to what the head of the correctional center said, the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center, so what should we mean by the fact that the investigation team has arrived? So, should we say that both door-to-door surveys and forced recruitment are still open?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
That's right. Basically, if you arrive and set up an investigation room at the site and conduct an investigation, it's a door-to-door investigation. If you arrive and basically conduct an investigation and forcibly transfer it to the airlift, it can be called a forced ball, an inch. So basically, both of them are possible situations, so I think we should see which of them we will do.

[Anchor]
Another piece of information was not reported on whether the president was forced to seek employment. This is also the position of the head of the correctional headquarters, so should we look at it more as a door-to-door survey based on these things? What do you think?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
In terms of effectiveness, the arrest warrant has been issued anyway, so I don't think the part of cooperating with the fact-finding investigation or not will depend on whether or not it is compulsory. In that regard, I think there is a possibility that the investigation will be more focused on effectively conducting the investigation than the forced recruitment itself. However, since the investigation process itself is strongly uncooperative, the purpose of issuing a warrant is to cooperate with the investigation process as a forced investigation, so other decisions can be made in that area.

[Anchor]
I'm sending you a picture of me in front of the Seoul Detention Center at this time. Cars are going in one after another, and I'll let you know as soon as I check what kind of car it is. So how did the investigation of the former president who was imprisoned in a detention center go about it?

[Reporter]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has not completely ruled out on-site investigations into detention centers and left open the possibility of a visit investigation for the first time in constitutional history, so there is no need to be tied up in the form of an investigation as the incumbent president has been arrested and the person in charge stubbornly refuses to attend. In the past, prosecutors have launched a prison investigation into former Presidents Lee Myung Bak and Park Geun Hye, who were imprisoned in detention centers as former presidents. In the case of former President Park Geun Hye, a prison investigation was conducted. However, former President Lee Myung Bak refused to investigate in prison. I refused to do a visit survey.

[Anchor]
Does refusing a visit investigation mean that you exercise your right to remain silent?

[Reporter]
We have rejected the investigation itself. In the past, former Presidents Chun Doo-hwan and Roh Tae-woo were also investigated by prosecutors at the place where they were imprisoned. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is also considering conducting an investigation in the detention center's internal investigation room if prosecutors and investigators visit the Seoul Detention Center for President Yoon's forced arrest and say that forced inches or forced arrests are not possible at this time. Lawyer
[Anchor] So if a forced recruitment or door-to-door investigation is conducted, can't we exercise the right to refuse to make a statement on this?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
No, it's the same. The reason why I think there will be no significant difference in practical benefits is that the right to refuse to state is done during the investigation process, so whether you conduct an investigation by force or visit the site, it is highly likely that you will still exercise the right to refuse to state the same.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about this story again as soon as the breaking news comes in. Let's take a look at the Western District Court riots yesterday. The firewalls also worked as the employees evacuated to the rooftops? It was that urgent, but what was the situation like at the time?

[Reporter]
At that time, supporters were in a state of disorder at the back gate of the Western District Court after Cha Eun-kyung, a senior judge, issued an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol. As a result, there was assault and a lot of really urgent situations took place. The president's supporters went up to the seventh floor of the court and visited Cha Eun-kyung's room, smashing windows and throwing fire extinguishers. I could also see him wielding a blunt instrument. As a result, it is confirmed that about 10 court employees were staying on the first floor at the time. So many people suddenly came in and then used violence and tried to respond with vending machines on the first floor, but this was also pierced. That's why I even activated the firewall. However, this part was also ripped off by supporters of President Yoon Suk Yeol, who caused the riot. As a result, about 20 employees opened the door on the rooftop, came out to the rooftop, blocked it with chairs, and waited for about an hour. It's said that he was waiting and came back down when the police cracked down. It seems that the urgent situations, the urgent situations, continued to take place.

[Anchor]
Our reporter Baek Jong-kyu just organized the situation well at the time, and details of the situation of the court's internal staff at the time of the riot were revealed. Let's listen to the recording first and continue the story.

[Anchor]
I think the employees must have been really scared, but if they were hurt, wouldn't the situation be worse?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
That's right. Basically, we can't rule out the possibility of greater bloodshed in this situation. Above all, looking at the violence at the time, it was a very dangerous situation because there was no attitude to respect any legal order. Since hundreds of rioters were stormed, very dangerous situations have unfolded, and there are already many seriously injured police officers, so more cases may have been punished for obstructing the execution of special public affairs.

[Anchor]
There were signs of intentionally damaging the warrant judge's room, so how should I look at this? Is there anything more to add to this?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
We often punish those who cause disturbance and riot as disturbances. When you say rioting, it's like looting a store or smashing a car. This situation is beyond that level. It's an attack on the judiciary itself. It can be seen as an attack on the authority of the judiciary and a slick one. In the existing emergency martial law, if military units tried to neutralize the legislature by invading and infiltrating the National Assembly, this time, by mobilizing rioters to neutralize the judiciary, above all, by physically attacking the court, the authority to defend and decide the rule of law, and violating it, it can be seen as an act of showing and demonstrating that the violent power of the public is above the authority of the judiciary.

[Anchor]
Judge Cha Eun-kyung was fortunate to have left work, but can the act of visiting the judge who issued the warrant itself be punished?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
That's right. If you specifically went there while threatening to kill, it can be seen that this can be added to the charge of conspiracy to commit murder beyond the crime of need. It is actually unprecedented in history to make death threats against individual judges and to occupy the court using public violence.

[Anchor]
Reporter Baek Jong-gyu, I searched the interior of the building saying I would catch Judge Cha Eun-kyung, but fortunately, Judge Cha Eun-kyung was not inside at the time, right?

[Reporter]
That's right. Early yesterday morning, Chief Judge Cha Eun-kyung decided on an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol and ordered the Airborne Division to hand over the actual warrant and investigation records before leaving work. If it were a little too late, there might have been such environments that would have been surrounded by supporters of the president who raged in violent riots. In fact, as the lawyer said earlier, a judge, a court called the last bastion of the rule of law. If you wielded violence like this as a judge of the trial there, I think this can be seen as an act of destroying the judicial system and destroying the legal order.

[Anchor]
If the court CCTV was damaged, the automatic issuing machine was damaged, and many things were damaged, would the videos remain properly? Of course, we're watching videos broadcast through YouTube, but I think the court CCTV will be important anyway.

[Reporter]
I think the room you're looking at just now is the room where the CCTV was stored. You can see supporters of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, who are now rioting, breaking down doors, breaking glass, and breaking CCTV. Even if there is no CCTV now, the physical evidence of the video will be sufficient. Because the police kept collecting evidence. And as you can see, there were YouTubers among the mob. There were a lot of YouTubers, so we actually filmed all of those scenes. So, based on the evidence taken, we can identify the people who stormed here, who caused the riot, based on the evidence that the police have. Then it is known that about 100 people have entered the scene now, but it could be more than this. So, I think it's possible to check who went in, what kind of actions they did, and what kind of harm they caused. Even if CCTV is destroyed and damaged, it seems that these parts can be checked with video data that have enough to see which people caused riots or harm even if they are not revived.

[Anchor]
But you covered a lot of your face. I'm covering it with a hat or mask right now, lawyer, how can I specify it? I'm wondering how you can identify all these people unless they're caught red handed.

[Kim Sung Hoon]
As you said earlier, the video data has been filmed in various ways, so in conclusion, you can sufficiently identify yourself in the process. Basically, if there were many live broadcasts during the movement process and video data were collected in that part, even if some of them were covered with masks, you can quickly check these parts. I'm sure he came home afterwards. Those who have not been arrested at the scene can all be arrested if they check CCTV for similar descriptions in the process of returning home, using public transportation, and public transportation.

[Anchor]
I think the mental damage of the employees inside the building at this time would be great, is there anything that can be done to compensate for the mental damage of these employees?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
Of course it is. Now that act can constitute another sin, which can be a kind of incarceration for employees who are locked up. In the end, the fact that employees were blocked, backed down, and trapped can be seen as a number of special incarceration activities. As a victim of that confinement, it can be seen as a situation where they can demand compensation for the damage.

[Anchor]
Looking at the age of the rioters arrested now, there are many people in their 20s and 30s. A lot of young people are being arrested now, so is there anything analyzed now?

[Reporter]
First of all, there are quite a few people in their 20s and 30s who were arrested at dawn yesterday. At that time, 90 people were arrested as current offenders. However, there are various ages from teenagers to people in their 70s. Those in their 20s and 30s make up 51%. So it accounts for more than half. The reason why the arrested personnel were arrested is that the police applied for arrest warrants for 66 out of 90 arrested personnel. And five people have already been questioned by the Western District Court before their arrest. First of all, 46 people are suspected of breaking into the Western District Court. And 10 people are accused of obstructing the execution of public affairs by blocking vehicles from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Ten others are also charged with obstruction of justice by crossing the wall of the Western District Court or assaulting a police officer.

[Anchor]
And the expression "Jihad" and "holy war" was also used, and I understand that the Crusades were also called. What kind of logic is this?

[Reporter]
It's a logic that we can't understand. In fact, the crusaders were so violent that the rioters would use their intentions out of mob psychology.It's a war, so we can't understand it as a crusade. I think they're trying to mobilize some kind of crowd psychology to create a basis for rioting now. I don't think I should get caught up in this, and if I get caught up, I can get legal punishment. And as the prosecution and the police said, if you do such dangerous actions, it leads to an arrest investigation and there are areas where you can be sentenced to prison, so you should consider all of those areas and consider the risks.

[Anchor]
The expression that Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member, just called for the crusade, posted it on social media and deleted it. Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon said about this situation that it is the right to resist the people. Let's listen to the recording first and continue the conversation.

[Cheon Dae-yeop / Chief of Court Administration: Not only is it a total denial of the rule of law, but it should be viewed as a very serious issue because it can be a cheating on the entire constitutional institution, including the judiciary, the National Assembly, and the government. And this is not the last time, but the beginning, so it will be really difficult, because he expressed a lot of concerns that our country cannot exist if such extreme acts become commonplace in ignoring the rule of law. ]

[Anchor]
I just got some news, so I'll tell you first. We have a breaking news that the vehicles of the Presidential Security Service have arrived at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and security checks are underway. Earlier, I told you that the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. There was a breaking news that the security services vehicles had arrived at the airlift. The security check is in progress right now. Lawyer, if the security services vehicles have arrived at the airlift, we will review the compulsory recruitment now, can I look at them like this?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
I think it is necessary to check whether it is a forced recruitment or whether he will attend and be investigated. However, the arrival of the security service vehicles is likely to eventually leave the detention center and move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Reporter]
First of all, in the case of security agencies, it is natural that the security agency moves before the president moves the security target. The principle of security is that even if the president leaves the detention center and comes to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and is not investigated, he should be there in advance. Therefore, the procedure for conducting a security check and checking whether there are harmful facilities or harmful facilities in the security vehicle itself is a general security manual of the security service.

[Anchor]
We were looking at various possibilities right now, whether it is in the form of voluntary attendance, whether it is reviewing door-to-door surveys, or whether it is strongly considering forced recruitment. I'd like to tell you once again. The vehicles of the Presidential Security Service have arrived at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived at the Seoul Detention Center where the president is imprisoned. I'll give it to you again.

On the screen, I'm showing you what I just saw in front of the Seoul Detention Center. I just told you that the head of the correctional headquarters said the investigation team of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit had arrived at the Seoul Detention Center. There was also a breaking news that Oh Dong-woon's official vehicle also returned after visiting the Seoul Detention Center. Of course, it has not been confirmed whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was on board. We are breaking the news that the official vehicle of Senior Civil Servant Corruption Officer Oh Dong-woon has returned to the detention center after visiting the detention center. Attention is being paid to whether President Yoon will be forcibly arrested while the boarding of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has not been confirmed.

Lawyer, it is said that the official vehicle of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has returned after visiting the detention center, so what should I look at now?

[Kim Sung Hoon]
I think I might have asked for cooperation in the investigation. In the end, in order to confirm the actual truth and proceed with punishment accordingly, the investigation must be carried out, but since the investigation continues to be rejected, I think he might have persuaded him directly to cooperate with the investigation and in what direction the investigation will proceed.

[Anchor]
I see. We just showed you the front of the Seoul Detention Center on the screen. I even broke the news that the vehicles of the Presidential Security Service have arrived at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. So far, we have been with Baek Jong-kyu, a reporter from the Ministry of Social Affairs, and lawyer Kim Sung-hoon. Thank you.